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Speed Racer
02-08-2005, 03:53 AM
First of all let me tell you that all the accounts on the server were moved to a new server as the old one had some issues with it. The issue you were having with the test page not showing up was because you were uploading it to the old server (caesar.solidwebhosting.com : 64.46.120.75). But your site is currently resolving to the new one (209.59.142.198). Please upload it to the server where internetmediastudio.com is hosted currently i.e; ftp to the new server.

I hope the information was helpful for you. If you have any further questions, please do let us know. We would be glad to be of any help.
Thank you.

Regards,
Support Team


Essentially what the above means is this: Recently, the web host decided to move all my domains to a new server at their data center. This new server has a different IP address.

Now, for those of you who don't understand how an IP address works in regard to the internet, I'll briefly explain. IP addressing is similar to your physical street address, or your phone number. It's a destination (if you will) and it pertains to our web server in this manner ...

www.celicasupra.com used to = 64.46.120.75

www.celicasupra.com now = 209.59.142.198

Since the web host decided to change the IP address on me (without any notification AT ALL) what we've been experiencing is called domain/IP propagation. When a domain changes hosts, or in this case just the physical IP that it terminates to, it can take anywhere between 24 to 48 hours for the propagation process to complete. Ok...so you're wondering still, why was the forum screwing up? Why were posts here one minute, and then they were gone?

I'll explain...

1) A few days ago, the web host changed the IP for the server that all my sites (including CelicaSupra.com) reside on. We used to live at 64.46.120.75 ... and now we don't.

2) Because of the way the internet works, it takes a while for all servers across the web to all see the same thing. This process is called domain propagation, and it can take anywhere from 24 to 48 hours for the process to be complete, ie; all servers are aware that the domain isn't on the old server anymore, it's on the new one now.

3) Every time you use the internet, your route from your computer, through your ISP and through the various machines across the nation or the world will change. You don't always take the same path to get to your destination when you're visiting a website.

4) Some servers on the net will see the new IP address location, while others will still see the old one. Because of this problem (during propagation), when you view www.celicasupra.com, you were sometimes seeing the OLD server and IP address, and then sometimes you were seeing the NEW one. Finally this all settles down, and every time you return to the site, you will be resolving the "new" IP in your Internet Explorer, Netscape or Mozilla Firefox etc.

4) The reason why your posts "appeared" to vanish is, without you knowing it you may have been posting to the old server. A bit later, you come back and now the path has changed...and you're seeing the new one, you log in and you go "What the hell? Where'd my post go?" That's because you're seeing the new server on THIS visit and your post and/or thread was never actually created on it in the first place. Got it?

Hopefully this makes sense to you all, and I thank you for your patience during this mess. I have another email to compose to the webhost which will be something to the effect of "Why the HELL wasn't I notified about this IP address change, or did you not think it was important to let your customers & account resellers know?"

This may take a little while before the propagation completes...so please hang in there.

Class dismissed.

Tanya
02-08-2005, 09:45 AM
ok, at least I feel less schizophrenic now, lol

hope we finish propagating soon...
:sign_ilo: :P

mk2_suprafan
02-08-2005, 03:51 PM
ahh, that explains why im seeing all the "new" stuff on one computer, and the "old" stuff on my other computer. i dont know how to explain it anymore than that :lol:

Malloy
02-09-2005, 12:22 AM
STEVE = THE MAN :)

CJSREDPRA
02-10-2005, 12:01 AM
Oi.....

Well, this helps explain things much more.....

And yes, I agree.... If a LAN Admin or group here @ work decided to pull this stupid stunt (changing servers AND IP address's WITHOUT ANY type of notification to the clients & users), they definitely would have had their heads chewed off by upper management. This was a pretty bonehead stunt....

And now for a really dumb question: Will any new postings that somehow made their way onto the old server/IP address "eventually" be moved over to the new one??? (Examples: In General Forums, the "Is this worth $1,300" thread & the "Non-Supra" thread where someone here purchased a 80 Celica Sunchaser on eBay & the seller sold the car to someone else after the auction ended?? I think both of those theads ended up on the old server/IP address??? Just curious....

And for the rest of you that are computer challenged... (don't feel ashamed, I'm still learning as well)... The "IP" in IP Address stands for "Internet Protocol"....

(End of Lesson #2 for today. Any volunteers to clap the erasers for Prof. Honeydew??).

(edit) After a few days of this already, it's starting to feel pretty weird. One minute, I'm in the real world, 12 hours later, I'm in an alternate world with the threads being on one server & the missing ones on the other. What will happen next, we'll be in the Matrix???? :lol:

Ross
02-10-2005, 08:56 AM
I just tried the new ip - 209.59.142.198 and I get the following message:

There is no website configured at this address.
You are seeing this page because there is nothing configured for the site you have requested. If you think you are seeing this page in error, please contact the site administrator or datacenter responsible for this site.

Dangerous Ken
02-10-2005, 11:50 AM
Bummer, a 64... ip propagates days faster than a 209...ip ...

Ken

phrax
02-10-2005, 12:24 PM
Bummer, a 64... ip propagates days faster than a 209...ip ...Where on earth did you read/hear this bit of information?
Unfortunately DNS propogation speed has nothing to do with the IP.
The speed of DNS record propogation is determined by the TTL (Time To Live) of the RR (Resource Record).

If you want to know more about how DNS works, take a read over RFC 1034.
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1034.html

Dangerous Ken
02-10-2005, 12:52 PM
Experience, not anything read or heard.
The old fashioned way, live through it.

Ken

MWebber
02-10-2005, 06:06 PM
I just tried the new ip - 209.59.142.198 and I get the following message:

There is no website configured at this address.
You are seeing this page because there is nothing configured for the site you have requested. If you think you are seeing this page in error, please contact the site administrator or datacenter responsible for this site.

cs.com is on a shared hosting server, so, http://209.59.142.198 get's the msg you saw, http://209.59.142.198/~user ("user" = mike's acct name with the host) get's the website that we all know and love. I remembered mike's acct name from a while back before they fixed it in the urls and stuff, so it does work, but I'm not going to post the actual name here.

that's shared hosting(w/ cpanel anyway) in a very small nutshell...

Mike

MWebber
02-10-2005, 06:16 PM
also, I just checked,

if you see this post you are on the new server!

Mike

Speed Racer
02-10-2005, 07:50 PM
And now for a really dumb question: Will any new postings that somehow made their way onto the old server/IP address "eventually" be moved over to the new one??? (Examples: In General Forums, the "Is this worth $1,300" thread & the "Non-Supra" thread where someone here purchased a 80 Celica Sunchaser on eBay & the seller sold the car to someone else after the auction ended?? I think both of those theads ended up on the old server/IP address??? Just curious....

Chris, unfortunately that won't be happening. I'd have to extract just those posts from the other SQL database and I really don't want to mess with it. Hope you understand, it's just a couple posts and not worth the time.

As for the rest of the BS about IP addresses and DNS propagation time, for the sake of argument I'm not going to comment. There have been a few select comments made by a couple of individuals (they know who they are) recently that have really pissed me off - but I've held back my direct responses, and will continue to do so. It just seems like there's a couple of experts in every bunch who will gladly step up to the plate, and tell me how to do my job, or how to "properly thread a bolt into a nut". Ugh. It's like having your neighbor come over and watch you work on your car, and then tell you everything you're doing wrong, and how he could likely do it better. Annoying as hell.

The new IP seems to be working well, and for the past 24 hours it's the only one resolving in my browser now when I navigate to www.celicasupra.com - I knew the propagation would take a little while, and I thank everyone for being patient.

And Mike Webber is right, this site and many others are on a shared server with a common IP address. This arrangement is very common in internet land these days, and no point in our site having it's very own static IP and server to live on. We're just a small website, not www.Pepsi.com with huge bandwidth and storage needs.

CELICA XX
02-11-2005, 04:26 PM
The new IP seems to be working well, and for the past 24 hours it's the only one resolving in my browser now when I navigate to www.celicasupra.com - I knew the propagation would take a little while, and I thank everyone for being patient.
Thanks for your dedication to this site.
It looks like everything is back to normal?