MK2 weight discussion, with/without motor swaps, mods, etc.

[white_mk_2]

FYI: This is a continuation of offtopic discussion in this thread: http://www.celicasupra.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=154244#154244

I weighed my car last fall at Englishtown Raceway in NJ (digital scale at a top national level track). It weighed 2987lbs. The car at that time:
1982 P-type, hardtop (no sunroof)
cloth interior (rear cargo area carpet missing, everything else installed)
no rear wing/spoiler
W58
No A/C lines, condensor or compressor (Evap core still in dash)
No CC actuator/cable (otherwise intact)
Between 1/4 and 1/2 tank of gas
Box of tools and "stuff" (10-20lbs)

Non stock parts that may or may not weigh more than OEM parts:
7MGTE swap (stock intercooler)
3" exhaust/Dp (no cat)
K&N FIPK
Fidanza flywheel
RPS clutch
Truetrac diff
JK shortshifter
16" Enkei wheels
Addco swaybars
ST springs
KYB shocks/struts
LJM front strut brace
Stainless brake hoses
Stereo with: 5 channel amp, MDF box with two 10s, all aftermarket speakers and larger gauge wiring
4 Autometer gauges
Momo steering wheel and hub adapter
Sparco carbon fiber pedals (this is the secret to sub 3000lb MK2s 8-) )
Aluminum RX7 jack (forget the pedals, this is the real "secret")

I'll edit this if I remember anything else. I should also mention that I acheived this weight with the mysterious hardtop only "block 'o' metal" installed (above headliner).

So if you have weighed your car please post with mods list. Or if you just want to make fun of heavier Supras (I know it's going to happen, so I might as well invite it :lol:).

[Daves2JZGTE]

last i checked i was @ 3060 with a 1/2 tank - that was with the old sistem in the car (truck O subs) so im litter now.

Dave

[repinS]

Close enough:



Factory Curb Weight rating for MX73 Cressida, as per Canadian brochure...

Sedan - 3130lbs
Wagon - 3075lbs

[white_mk_2]

last i checked i was @ 3060 with a 1/2 tank - that was with the old sistem in the car (truck O subs) so im litter now.

Dave, was with/without:
R154 swap (R154 heavier than W58, yes?)?
Sunroof?
Cloth, leather?
Any brake upgrades?

Just wondering how different our cars are component wise.

Thanks,

[Daves2JZGTE]

i dont remeber if the r154 was in or not. i think it was in cuz i beleve it was when i went to throw away the blown w58 that i got the #ers. stock btakes
cloth with sunroof YES R154 IS FAT

[cartman]

when i weighed my '86 at the track my car was at 2980 lbs with me in the car. (w/sunroof)

Things I took out:

AC (condenser, compressor, lines)
Wood cover and carpet over cargo area
spare tire

[white_mk_2]

my car was at 2980 lbs with me in the car. (w/sunroof)


Holy $hit! How much do you weigh?! :lol:

[cartman]

my car was at 2980 lbs with me in the car. (w/sunroof)


Holy $hit! How much do you weigh?! :lol:

I'm a light weight :lol: I havent gained weight since I was like 16 and i'm 19 right now. I only weigh about 140 pounds :twisted:

[Junkie]

my car was at 2980 lbs with me in the car. (w/sunroof)


Holy $hit! How much do you weigh?! :lol:

I'm a light weight :lol: I havent gained weight since I was like 16 and i'm 19 right now. I only weigh about 140 pounds :twisted:

Fat boy :roll: 120 for the last 25 years :shock:

Ophir's car IIRC correctly,stock,w/stock 7mvgte conversion,sunroof,leather,w/ac,him in it was right at 3100lbs,he weighs in at 160+.Have not weighed it in it's current configuration.

[canadian_psyko]

If I remember right I was at ~3200lbs with 2 people a 1uz in the car.

[williamb82]

i weigh 260, so that hurts me right there at the track. lol. bunch of light weight pizzussies. lol

[batmobile]

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[bracham]

The one time I weighed my red car...at a grain elevator :lol: ... I was told it came to 2910 lbs, give or take ten pounds. That was without me in it...and all you guys are heavy so far! lol 'Cept for Junkie. I'm 115 lbs. Haven't gained weight since I was about 15, and im 20 now.
Otherwise for the car...that's the P-type, and it had all underhood components, the auto tranny (whatever the code is I can't remember offhand), and probably about half a tank of fuel. Sunshade only...before I got the '85 spoiler.
But, I did have the interior stripped out. I was patching over some rust holes to keep dust out of the interior, and so I had absolutely no interior behind the front seats. I possibly even had the passenger seat out at the time.

[SupraDude117]

I weighed my MK3 a few weeks ago before the motor started drinking coolant and came to 3800 something IIRC. Everything was in the car like the spare tire and a half tank of gas and such. Havn't weighed Kali (MK2) yet.

-DJ

[StanS]

That's the ultimate mod! Lose 60 pounds and get a 2% effective incrase in performance AND you make money cause you spend less money for food.

[Dangerous Ken]

"That's the ultimate mod! Lose 60 pounds and get a 2% effective incrase in performance AND you make money cause you spend less money for food."


But you still have to deal with a 'leaning' drivers seat though.

Ken

[SupraFiend]

I would say im at about 2700-2750 with me in the car with all the fluids filled up. Im 160-165. The auto seems to shift alot quicker when some of the weight was removed.

You would say or your making up numbers? You would have to have completely stripped the interior, gone with 1 piece race seats, and tossed every unessential thing to keeping the car running to even get close to 2700 pounds.

My 5spd leather 85 with sunroof bone stock with every original item and nothing else (including a driver) and 3/4 to a full tank of gas weighed in at 3080 pounds. Other sunroofed cars in similar states weighed the same. My 86 with cloth and a hardtop in the exact same state weighed in at 3040 pounds. Both of these weighed at the same trucker scale.

I also did the weight distribution and it was 53/47.

Theres a 50 pound difference between an r154 and a w58 if you take into acount the r154s stock clutch and flywheel.

[batmobile]

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[CJSREDPRA]

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[CJSREDPRA]

Jody Frusillie is a "he".....

Can't remember what he got the weight down to.

I know Russ Matusevich was still running w/ a mostly full interior car.

Joel Tanzman had emptied out everything behind the front seats.

[amadeus_and]

I read all that u have written here, but i think i have a problem...
I have weighted my car yesterday on a truck scale, an it read 1174 kg...
That's 2588 pounds...with half a tank, no sound sistem and spare tire in the trunk...
Could there be such a big difference in weight between european and american style MK2's???

[batmobile]

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[amadeus_and]

I don't have a/c and sunroof...
But it still is lighter than what i am reading here it should be...

[Ross]

I read all that u have written here, but i think i have a problem...
I have weighted my car yesterday on a truck scale, an it read 1174 kg...
That's 2588 pounds...with half a tank, no sound sistem and spare tire in the trunk...
Could there be such a big difference in weight between european and american style MK2's???

I think the euro MkIIs may be a lot lighter. They are missing a lot of the luxury stuff eg, electric windows, electric mirrors, sunroof, A/C.
Probably an L type, so no flares, smaller (lighter?) wheels/tires etc.

[Ross]

No, its just deans part list has a whole mess of extra stuff on the list that doesnt need to be there. Everyone used his calculation of 3000 pounds as a rough estimate that everyone goes by.

I mean think of it this way, the engine weighs about 350, the tranny about 125-150, so thats 500.

Where do you get these ideas? It's been well documented that the 5M weighs in at close to 500 pounds.
Dean has weighed all these things, and you're just GUESSING

3000 pounds is very, very close to the weight of the average MkII.
Try reading some of the posts in this thread.

[amadeus_and]

I think the euro MkIIs may be a lot lighter. They are missing a lot of the luxury stuff eg, electric windows, electric mirrors, sunroof, A/C.
Probably an L type, so no flares, smaller (lighter?) wheels/tires etc.

I have no electric mirrors, but electric windows, no fender flares, wheels on 15', tires Vredestein Winter 205/65/15...

Pics of my car are here: http://photobucket.com/albums/v228/migsupra/Supra%20MKII%2085/

[CELICA XX]

I think the euro MkIIs may be a lot lighter. They are missing a lot of the luxury stuff eg, electric windows, electric mirrors, sunroof, A/C.
Euro MK2 without power windows?

[batmobile]

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[white_mk_2]

(some) Euro MK2s have many other differences that make them lighter. There are less substantial bumpers, no side impact beams in the doors, They use lighter weight Celica lower dash parts, there's no plywood board above the spare, the carpet is molded around the spare instead. These are examples that I've seen from an imported German MK2. There are more but that's another subject......

Oh yeah this car (an '84) has manual mirrors, power windows, no sunroof, no A/C (from the factory), a cable actuated heater control valve, factory oil cooler like the above example from Romania.

[bracham]

No A/C from the factory? I didn't realize any of the Supras came without A/C...am I wrong? Or would that for some reason have been a special ordered car?
And manual mirrors? I thought so many things that were options back then came standard on these cars...power windows, mirrors, locks, steering, etc.

[Ross]

There were many differences depending where in the world the car was destined for. UK for example did not have climate control A/C I think.

And for everyone who questioned me saying no electric windows, I did qualify it by saying - I think.

Did all MkII Supras, no matter where they were destined for, have power steering?

I am pretty sure I have seen a MkII with wind up windows and I'm pretty sure I have seen other pics where the only thing that seemed to differentiate the Supra from the Celica was the longer front and the 6 cylinder engine.

Toyota has done strange things to the Supra.
In Australia we had almost all the Supra features as the US, except Celica steering wheel and gearshift knob, and the molded carpet in the hatch area, and no map light in the console.

[dogstar]

ok, so now that this has gone way off topic, should i start another thread with real, documented weights, or just post here?

going to the scales this week, then again after easter weekend, to get before and after weights of the 5MGTE swap.

[Dangerous Ken]

ok, so now that this has gone way off topic, should i start another thread with real, documented weights, or just post here?

going to the scales this week, then again after easter weekend, to get before and after weights of the 5MGTE swap.

Ok, but we also need weights of the car too :lol:

Ken

[white_mk_2]

ok, so now that this has gone way off topic, should i start another thread with real, documented weights, or just post here?

going to the scales this week, then again after easter weekend, to get before and after weights of the 5MGTE swap.

Ok, but we also need weights of the car too :lol:

Ken

Oh, ham it up :lol:

[white_mk_2]

Yes, please post weights. All information is useful in some way (I think).

[SupraFiend]

Everyone keeps thinking their cars are fat pigs, but in reality they are very light weight.


Only compared to the later generations. No one posting in this thread is going off of deans list, we use these things called scales to tell us exactly how much our cars weigh :wink: You should try it sometime instead of guessing. Find a trucker scale and use it after hours, they usually just leave them on all the time. Your car must have horrible oversteer. You've removed all that weight from the wrong end. I find my car handles much better at autox with a full tank of gas btw. The car is too front end heavy from the factory as it is.

[batmobile]

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[Dean]

I've weighed all of my cars at some point or other, at various scales.
You can use truck scales or your local waste transfer station where they weigh your car going in and again when leaving, then they take the difference and charge you for dumping that weight of garbage. I find those scales to be very accurate since they are made for weighing small vehicles, not large trucks.

Curb weight for 1982 Supra 5 speed is 2932 lbs. I removed all underhood A/C parts from my white 83 which weighed 40 lbs, giving 2892.
Add driver's weight of 170 lbs = total of 3062, add 30 lbs for subwoofer, 100 lbs for full tank of gas, giving approx 3192.
Weighed my white 83 Supra July 20/2001 at 3196 lbs with me in car, full tank of gas, spare tire, tool kit, and 30 lb subwoofer box. 3196 lbs is pretty close to 3192 lbs!! When I race, I remove the sub, spare, tool kit, cargo cover, and run with 1/4 tank of gas, giving a race weight of 3030 lbs.

Weighed my 82 (hardtop) race car Sept 29/2004 at 2950 lbs with me in car, passenger seat in, full tank of gas. This car has 397 lbs of stuff removed from it, using parts weights from my website. Roll cage, bigger sway bars, front strut tower bar adds back about 150 lbs. Doing the math, curb weight of 2932 - 397 (interior and other stuff removed) + 150 (cage added) + 170 (me) + 100 (gas) = 2955. Looks like the scale is pretty close.

Raced my burgandy 86 at Englishtown Oct 22/04. Weighed car at track scale, 3290 lbs with me (170 lbs), sub (30lbs), spare, half tank of gas. Body kit adds some weight (probably 60-80 lbs??) and maybe the 86 weighs more than the 82-83 version even stock.

The guy with the local German spec Mk2 weighed his a couple of times. It weighed exactly the same amount as my 82 race car (same day, same scale), 2950 lbs with him in it (190 lbs), spare tire (40 lbs), half tank of gas (50 lbs) and a big sub box (40 lbs). That means the car weighs only 2630 lbs with no gas. Those Euro spec Mk2's are a lot lighter than the N American version.

About the weights list on my website.
If you read the top of that page, it says...
"Listing of parts on Mk2 Supra and their weights.
Weights shown are actual, unless marked as (est) which is estimated.
Note that the total in the first (leftmost) "Weight" column includes both auto and 5-speed transmissions, stock exh manifold and headers, etc.
Therefore, the total in that column may be more than the true total weight of a Mk2 Supra. It may be less since some small parts are still not included in this list. "

[Tanya]

I weighed my 1985 P-type at exactly 3,000lbs. (which I'm sure is off, as they told me the scale rounds upwards to the 10th lbs so they can get more cash for scrap metal :roll: )
5 speed, cloth seats, vinyl door and rear panels recovered in crushed velour.
The car had no spare tire, no subs but 6" speakers in the doors, aftermarket Radio, EGR was removed and A/C compressor removed. Oh yeah, the car had louvers on it too when weighed :P

Now I'm in a totally different car, no louvers, I removed the condensor now, I'm interested in the new weight. I'll post back when I get new #s.

[Baruwk]

So how much does the 5m-gte weigh? Is there some place in this forum that lists wieghts of the motors along with other posible transplant wieghts?

[heschlie]

alright im new to this whole weight thing and im looking at all of your weights and i havent taken mine into be weighed, and i want to know why does the GVWR say mine is 3875 for my 83, should i just not even go by that at all, or can the weight between cars vary that much?

[SilverMk2]

GVWR is the goverment weight spec with 4 "average" people + so much gas, ignore it.

[d1supra]

just throwing in what ive taken out. I dont know how much the car weighs but eventually my goal is going to bu under 2200 pounds, so heres what ive got so far:
No emissions whatsoever no powersteering pump, no ac pump no ac stuff at all actually. nothing behind the dash (no heat). No interior cept door panels cause of electric switches. No sound deadening material. Taken out un-necessary wiring. CUstom intake, soon to be custom manifold. No fan clutch. No rear wiper motor, single front wiper. NO gauge cluster (zip tied gauges to metal bar). Someday soon will replace gas tank with fuel cell. One non adjustable racing seat. Some useless things in the engine bay. no cruise control unit. Not sure what that adds up to but, its not a fun ride.

[Ross]

just throwing in what ive taken out. I dont know how much the car weighs but eventually my goal is going to bu under 2200 pounds, so heres what ive got so far:
No emissions whatsoever no powersteering pump, no ac pump no ac stuff at all actually. nothing behind the dash (no heat). No interior cept door panels cause of electric switches. No sound deadening material. Taken out un-necessary wiring. CUstom intake, soon to be custom manifold. No fan clutch. No rear wiper motor, single front wiper. NO gauge cluster (zip tied gauges to metal bar). Someday soon will replace gas tank with fuel cell. One non adjustable racing seat. Some useless things in the engine bay. no cruise control unit. Not sure what that adds up to but, its not a fun ride.

Use Celica doors and get rid of electric windows and central locking.