R154 its almost in my MK II

[Daves2JZGTE]

ok so hear i am all ready to start the build for 400+ rwhp (7mgte) but im running into one problem. The w58 wont hold. as it is im going to need a new clutch to hold the new turbo thats going in in the next mounth. So hears the problem if i get a new clutch with in a year i should kill my W58 so i got to thinkin. with me this is a bad thing thinking that is. y by a new clutch if it means im in for a rebild on my trans lets spend my money in a better way. Lets drop in a R154! Ive only heard that is a pain in the ass to do but i want to say so far its been a breez. today i went out to look at pricing on a r154 but no i cant do that so i came home with one. the price was to good $200. i got it home and went to work. i pulled the trand out of my parts car and just shuved in the r154 and it almost fits with no hammering at all. i will do a full right up with pics when i done. as for now the only thing that will be a pain is the drive shaft but i will have a better idea about what i will need to do with that tomorrow. I know its long but im exited if all goes well i might be just a tune (greddy e-manage or s-afc 2) away from my hp goal.

Dave :D

[zank]

Thats great news :P. So will you be bringing that monster to the meet :twisted:

[Daves2JZGTE]

i dont think the trans will be in by sunday (i havent orderd my new R154 clutch yet) but yes i will be their with my wight 84. Dave

[Norbie]

This is good to know, because I've been toying with the idea of installing a 6-speed in my Supra. If the R154 fits with little effort, the V160 will as well! :)

[Daves2JZGTE]

i thought the case of the v160 was smaller then the r154. Do you know if this is true

[Norbie]

http://www.turbosupras.com/~jbstenner/images/R154andV160-1.jpg

[Daves2JZGTE]

that will fit right in the only part that im having a problem with is the tail end where the tail bolts to the boddy. But i have no idea what you would have to do to get the shifter in the right place. Dave

[Norbie]

That's not hard. The bloke who took that photo (Jon Stenner from Sydney) put the V160 in his MA70, and he had to shorten the shifter. It was just a matter of cutting down the shifter linkage and bracket, both of which are external.

[trdmkii]

if i may ask which one is which in the picture.....

[Daves2JZGTE]

left side v160 right side r154

[Racefiend]

How'd he get the v160 on an ma70? Is the bolt on the bell housing the same?

Christian

[Daves2JZGTE]

im going out on monday to have my new drive shaft made. once i get that done all i have to do is make a new crosmeber mount for the transmission get a new line for the slave and buy a clutch and its done. this is to ez. something has to go rong to make this worth talking about. Dave :D

[SilverMk2]

How'd he get the v160 on an ma70? Is the bolt on the bell housing the same?

Christian

He's using a 2JZGTE engine with the 6 speed. The details are here;
http://www.turbosupras.com/pages/members/jbstenner.htm

[zacknafei]

just wondering if you can post an update and maybee some pictures :)

[Moorman]

Dave, what will you be doing with the w58 once you finish up the r154? (nudge, nudge, hint, hint) 8)

[Daves2JZGTE]

pics will be up soon. i got the drive shaft back and its perfect. ive bean side tracked getting my new turbo done. mooooooorman i have a extra w58 if you wont one the shifter bushing needs to be replaced let me know. this is the one out of the black 83 not my white 84. Dave

[Racefiend]

How well does the shifter line up with the hole on the mk2?

Christian

[Daves2JZGTE]

well i havent tryed swaping out the shift point from a w58 yet but with the stock r154 shift placement its about a 2 inch cut in the back of the hole to get it to fit in the car.

[williamb82]

this is funny, everything is just as i said it would be but so many people argued with me and said it would never work. btw, what had to be done to the driveshaft for it to work? from what i can tell the front of the r154 shaft has to be cut off and mated to the rear half of the mkii shaft and overall length 2in shorter then the stock w58 section. all of this dealing with the front half of both driveshafts.
william

[Norbie]

From what I've seen the driveshaft in Mk3's is much wider than a Mk2, so grafting them together isn't really possible. You'd have to take your front section and R154 yoke to a driveshaft specialist and get them to weld in a new tube of appropriate length.

[Daves2JZGTE]

i used the stock shaft and had the mk3 u joint and spline welded on. the mk3 shaft is bigger but not at the ends. the ends aka at the u joint its the same exact size. Dave

[Daves2JZGTE]

ok hear are some pics so you can see. i will do a better when i do my right up. Dave
http://www.hpphoto.com/sessions/978431389579/23532658lg.jpg

http://www.hpphoto.com/sessions/978431389579/23532661lg.jpg

http://www.hpphoto.com/sessions/978431389579/23532662lg.jpg

http://www.hpphoto.com/sessions/978431389579/23532665lg.jpg

[Racefiend]

WOW, nice X's. Wheres the pics? :D

Christian

[zank]

cool pics Dave

Im sure gonna look foward to the write up on that R154 swap :wink: :P

[SupraFiend]

you need to be a member to view pics on that hp site

[Racefiend]

weak :( Now I have ANOTHER password to remember.



OK, I joined and I still don't see anything, even while logged in and going to the link. Typical HP.

Christian

[zank]

I see the pics :rockon:
Yo, Dave around how much does it cost to fab that drive shaft to fit?

[Daves2JZGTE]

its $40 for the weld and $65 for balancing the shafts. Dave

[williamb82]

hey onedic, i was looking under my 85 auto and the tranny crossmember is shifted back. it bolts to the stock location but where it bolts to the tranny it is ~2in back. dont know if you solved the tranny mount problem yet or not but i think this may work well for the r154 swap.
william

[Daves2JZGTE]

actualy the auto trans mount (x member) is a direcked swap for the r154 im trying to get one right now.

[SupraFiend]

Slip may have a spare, interested?

[williamb82]

sweet. good to know, when i change the blue 85 to 5 speed ill keep that crossmember for the r154 swap when/if i can find a red mkii to put my 7mgte in.
william

[SupraFiend]

theres a pretty nice one up here still available William. It could be had for 4k cdn. Rust free, but has a couple small dents and faded seats. Other then that pretty much mint. 85 SDR 5spd, truely rust free. Let me know if your interested, though you would have to be crazy to buy a car from so far away. BC and Florida couldn't be farther apart :wink:

[williamb82]

if i had the money youd be surprised. i wouldnt hesitate to drive 3kmi for the right car.
william

[SupraFiend]

yeah me too. This car is in excellent mechancial shape, it would easily make the journey. Its also a california car so there would be no importation issues. This is the same sdr that was for sale at my last meet. The owner hasen't been particularly motivated to sell it so its been in storage. 4k cdn is about 3k us right now

[williamb82]

if i had 3k us to spend on a car id buy the silver 85 with perfect gray leather. anyhow. i got a lead on a car for cheap. if its the right color and the body is straight ill pick it up this weekend. i might just get to have a 7mgte mkii again before christmas.
william

[Supra Guy Scotty]

Going to be attempting the R-154 in my MKII also. I have an auto MKII tranny mount, so I'll give that a try also!. :D Should be going ot gether in about another 3 weeks. Wish me luck too!

Scotty

[Daves2JZGTE]

you know you can fit the trans in with out cutting or banging the tunnel you just have to space the rear x member down a bit but i dont know i think id like it up hier in the car.
Dave

[williamb82]

good to know, but ill prolly just bang the tunnel out a bit. id like it up like stock as well.
william

[Supra Guy Scotty]

Could oyu not just space the tranny down a hiar to fit,... then space the center carrier down to match? I don't see why this wouldn't work. Thinking about trying it and seeing how it looks anyway when i put my car together... Just a thought anyway.. :p

Scotty

[Daves2JZGTE]

you can it will work you dont need to space the d shaft just the the x member. it lines up fine with the trans down a inch or 2 but its just preftince.
Dave

[Supra Guy Scotty]

But without spacing the driveshaft down also,.. wouldn't it throw off the geometry of the universal joint in the front? I mean, as far as I've always known, the universal joint works best at the straightest point. Once you put more angle on it, the harder it is on it. That's the big problem that big 4x4 trucks have when lifting their trucks up right? I know it's not going to quite that extreme,.. but dont you think it's orth looking into a little furter? I'll check it all out once I get mine set in. Still waiting on my oil pan and a new oil pump.... :(


Scotty

[Daves2JZGTE]

you will see when you get yours in you wont need to space the shaft but you can if you wont to .
Dave

[joefoe]

I've had my r154 in my car for 2 months now I set up like Dave said to do it and I've had no problems. It dose sit a bit low 1 1/4" and at first this did concern me but it's the x member that is the lowest point and once I had my 3" exhaust made and found it was lower than the tranny it was not an issue any more to me. As for the alinement it looks to be perfect the way it is right now so that is how I left it, and like I said I've had no problems. If the drive shaft didn't line up I was going to put a few spacers in between the bearing mount to lower it some but that was not needed.
If any one has questions just ask, but it's really easy. It was easyest part of the 7m swap for me.

[williamb82]

how long of a flexible clutch line did you use? or did one of the stock lines work? i was going to fab a ss braided clutch line.
william

[joefoe]

I just used the stock pice as it was still hanging on the tranny when I got it. I had to get a new hard line tho and it might of been longer than stock as my car was an auto and I swaped it over to 5spd when I did the 7m.

[MikeD]

So you didn't have to beat out any part of the tranny tunnel to fit the r154? That's good to know that there's no issues.

[joefoe]

nope, it's EZ every one should have a r154 with there 7m.

[williamb82]

it just shows how little research reg did. everyone says it wont fit because of his article. now we are proving it wrong. i love it. lol
william

[dynamic73]

Does the old 5mge bellhousing bolt up to the r154 trans :?: Because if it will then I know the 22r bellhousing will bolt up also. :idea: I may do a r154 swap in my Celica. :wink:

[williamb82]

nope. it wont. the stock r154 bellhousing bolts up to the 5/6/7m engines. get the bellhousing from an r series manual tranny in a 22re/22rte powered truck.
william

[jdk_ii]

Nice.

I do know some early 7MGTE installs (not Reg) with the R154 did have
some tunnel clearance issues.

[ma615mgte]

nope. it wont. the stock r154 bellhousing bolts up to the 5/6/7m engines. get the bellhousing from an r series manual tranny in a 22re/22rte powered truck. i know this is a little late, but in my research for 5mge pwrd 4x4 the bell housing off of the 22r bolted to the r154 may work.. that was the case for using a 5m and the stock toy tranny just my 2cents

[williamb82]

yeah, thats what i said. some trucks came with r series trannies. not sure if any were 22r's or not but id think the 22rte got an r series tranny and that bellhousing should bolt to any r series tranny.
william

[dynamic73]

Yea the only bellhousing I know for sure that will work for the 22RE. Is the bellhousing off the 22RET which was a turbo engine. I've seen one of these for sale. It was on Ebay and went for over $200. That's a lot of $$$ for just a bellhousing. Guess these are as rare as hen's teeth.

[williamb82]

22rte's were only in 88-89 toyota trucks and 4 runners. so yeah, it was a limited production. i can imagine it being difficult to find.
william

[williamb82]

well, i went to mikes driveline here in tampa, its about 2 miles from my house. i droped off the r154 driveshaft and w58 driveshaft and told them what i needed done. it cost a whopping $18 (not a typo)to have the w58 shaft shortened 2in and the r154 u joint and yoke welded on. so, now i will be ordering the front and rear seals for the r154 and the slave cylinder. might get lucky and get to swap the 7mgte in next weekend.
william

[oldschool85]

i wish i had the connections you have will....ehe

[williamb82]

thats not a connection, i dont know anyone there, just went in to check the price of it, he said $18 so i went home an got the shafts and dropped them off.
william

[williamb82]

heres another tip. unscrew the stock w58 slave cylinder from the rubber line, and leave the short metal line on the r154 slave cylinder. then you need a female to female adaptor. it is 10mm threads and i belive it was 1.25 thread pitch. it has to be for standard flare fittings. screw it onto the stock rubber line, then bend the metal r154 line to put it up and out of the way(will take a pic and post it when its developed) and screw the fitting into the other end of the adaptor. only 1 place in town had this fitting and it was $5. i had to drive around for 2 hours to find the fitting though. pita. anyhow, the clutch is bled and working fine.
william

[noodles4u]

you ARE gonna do a write up after you're done, right?

[Daves2JZGTE]

yea but if you read all 5 pages you will have all you need to know from this

[williamb82]

i am done, been done for over a week. guess i need to do a writeup.
william