Drifting???

[cooley346]

I've seen alot of people on here talk about drifting, mainly how it's Japanese in origin. Does anyone here know where drifting really started. Just a nice little educational thread. Please no rude comments. I'll try and find a prize for whoever gets it right (it'll be something stupid).

[Phil G.]

Drifting is a Jimi Hendrix song.

Dirt track racers have drifted for years (Sprint Cars, etc). Maybe its a street racing copy of that?

Ok what did I win??? :woot:

[Supra GTR]

Dirt track.. Rally racing.. Targa Florio.. I think drifiting technically has been around since the horse and buggy days.. going too fast around a corner sliding that 2-wheel buggy off to the side. But I think the Japanese just took a portion of Rally Racing and put onto tarmac.

[BillyM]

...back about twenty years ago in Japan, there was a famous racer who had a brain aneurism. His name was Sucka Driftalota. He was one of the fastest drivers on any of the Japaneese circuts, and after his brain-bleed (and concurent IQ drop), he could never get a car to go straight. ...he never won a single race, and within a year or two his sponsors had to step out. The Japaneese people rallied around their newly-dumb hero, and created a sport where people who could not be "fast" could look fast. ...and drifting has been the same ever since. Same average intelligence from the drivers, same comparative skill between it and other sports...

--BillyM

[82MKIILtype]

Brain aneurism .... :kekekegay :woot: :facesjump :woot: :good:


I thought it was the drifting Wabbit that started all that.!

:wabbit:

[Phil G.]

...back about twenty years ago in Japan, there was a famous racer who had a brain aneurism. His name was Sucka Driftalota. He was one of the fastest drivers on any of the Japaneese circuts, and after his brain-bleed (and concurent IQ drop), he could never get a car to go straight. ...he never won a single race, and within a year or two his sponsors had to step out. The Japaneese people rallied around their newly-dumb hero, and created a sport where people who could not be "fast" could look fast. ...and drifting has been the same ever since. Same average intelligence from the drivers, same comparative skill between it and other sports...

--BillyM

I sense a wee bit of sarcasm here....

Drifting is quite a useful and neccessary thing (like tits on a bull, a beer oven, spinners, etc.)

[Chris Sullins(STIX)]

:new_uklia Man did you pick the wrong site to post this thread... :rolleyes: Cant really say prepare to be flamed but it has already began.... :hahano:

[BuddyJ]

Forget where/how it started. Lets focus on the real issue - When will it end?

[scorpmatt]

Unlike some other members I see here, I heartily enjoy drifting. I started doing it in my old 82 accord hatch auto, but the brakes started to wear out. Now that I have my mkii I get to learn how drift another auto, but this time a rwd. :)

Honestly I don't know where it started from, but its probably Japanese oriented. If you enjoy it, screw the others that bash it.

[sickntwstdtoy]

drifting is right up there with golf and tennis no reason forit, not fun to whatch, not fun to play, just plain stupid. i think the brain dead japanese racer story is as close to the truth as i need. try rally cross, solo, or dirt track if you wnat a challenging race environment. as for its origin i dont think it really matters. to me its just something else for the ricers to pretend to be.; my 2cents

[CarFreek]

I Started it-Me and my wife, eh, Morgan Fairchild-Yeah thats it-

[Daves2JZGTE]

I think when it comes down to it non of you

UNDERSTAND THE HART OF A DRIFTER!!!!!

LOL blast from the past

[Jard]

Uh it started for me when I'd haul ass down the hill in my big wheel when I was like 5..Anyone elses is a mystery.

[Junkie]

Uh it started for me when I'd haul ass down the hill in my big wheel when I was like 5..Anyone elses is a mystery.

Damn,I am getting old.......above statement gave me a 35yo flashback.......hauling ass down the dead end street,3-5 at a time,and seeing who could "powerslide" into one of the yards on the street.

[sksupra]

I Started it-Me and my wife, eh, Morgan Fairchild-Yeah thats it-

yeah, that's the ticket......


(nice one carfreak. gotta love snl)

[sarinas_dragons]

Old.... you did not have bigwheels. If you took a regular trike apart at the handlebars and front forks and front wheel and flipped the rear part of the trike over (use imaginations, please) and put the bars and fork and wheel back on the trike, this was the pre-bigwheel circa 1964. The seat was unusable unless dad redrilled the hole. My neighborhood, Spring Valley, CA was blessed with sidewalks, a hill and a cul-de-sac slow-down area. There were three sizes of trikes that I and others had modified and four or five of us would go to the top of the hill and race down.

Those pedals were pedaling themselves so fast we had to keep our feet way out of the way. At the bottom of the hill is where we learned: peeling the wheel (peeling the hard rubber tires off the rim in a turn), highsiding-pitching over the side once you peeled the wheel and the dreaded front-wheel hub/spoke failure. We beat on those things so hard.

[Greg G]

JDm yO!11

dIS be da og driFta baBEEE wHAt

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/greg84mk2/Owned/Drift1.jpg

[TOYMAN321]

drifting is right up there with golf and tennis no reason forit, not fun to whatch, not fun to play, just plain stupid.
so now we're dragging golf and tennis down to the level of drifting??? so then what other sports/recreational activities are not "just plain stupid"???

[Jack Daniels]

i can't beleave you guys.....

[glmomp]

ok, i'm gonna be totally serious. i think it started with japanese people street racing. i think it had to do with the police cracking down on them, so they had to find new places to race. some people started sliding their cars around corners, and that's how it started. that's my take, right or wrong.

[85supra_ftw]

It started with the roman chariot races in the time of the ceasars. they would slide thier charriots out so others couldnt pass or the weapons mounted on thier chariot would be impailed onto the other chariots [or horses].

[BillyM]

hahah... alex is serious guys...

Dave, you take the win bro... Haha, I haven't heard that in a while.

Greg man.... every time I see that I giggle for about 10min straight, congrats. giggles*

--BillyM

[cooley346]

Wow I had no idea this would get this type of response. If you don't like drifting than don't bash others. I'm sure everyone likes something that others think is stupid, oh well. I'll post the answer after 30 replies.

[sarinas_dragons]

#24

[Donn29]

I've said it before. Left hand turn on dead intersection(the worse the weather the safer/slower).
Its fun, its not drifting. Its called giveus-yourselfus-a-smileus. And I do it every chance I get, when theres perfect conditions, and it feels right. "hang a little tail" around a corner.

[scorpmatt]

I've said it before. Left hand turn on dead intersection(the worse the weather the safer/slower).
Its fun, its not drifting. Its called giveus-yourselfus-a-smileus. And I do it every chance I get, when theres perfect conditions, and it feels right. "hang a little tail" around a corner.

Left hand turn eh? Try it on a right hander, full acceleration. :)

[TRD 83 SUPRA XX]

Drifting was made popular on the winding mountain roads of Japan.

Drifting started out as a racing technique popular in the All Japan Touring Car Championship races over 30 years ago. A legendary driver named Kunimitsu Takahashi was the foremost practitioner of drifting techniques in the 1970's. Takahashi's aggressive drifting skills — he was famous for hitting the apex (the point where the car is closest to the inside of a turn) at high speed and then drifting through the corner, preserving a high rate of speed — earned him several championships and a legion of fans who enjoyed the spectacle of burning tires and perilous speed.

A street racer named Keiichi Tsuchiya became particularly enthralled by Takahashi's drift techniques. Tsuchiya began practicing his drifting skills on the streets, and quickly gained a reputation amongst the "hashiriya" or racing crowd. In 1977, several popular car magazines and tuning garages conspired to produce a video of Tsuchiya's drifting skills on windy mountain roads. The video, called Pluspy, became a cult hit and inspired many of the professional drifting drivers on the circuits today. Tsuchiya earned himself the nickname "Dorikin," which means Drift King in Japanese. Tsuchiya was the head judge of the D1 Grand Prix USA


By 1986, drifting had gained enough popularity amongst racers to allow for the first drifting contests to be held at racetracks. Still, drifting was largely considered a successful racing technique, useful on the track, but not in and of itself a spectator sport. Nine years later, all that had changed.

In the D1 Grand Prix USA souvenir program, Modified Mag's Ken Ogawa explained the growth of drifting into a separate sport:

"By 1995, drifting turned into a whole automotive subculture, with almost 10 years of street racing behind it. Drifting started evolving from a stoic driving technique to more of a showcase or spectacle. Naturally, the youth embraced the idea, because they wanted to get more attention. They wanted to drift in front of huge crowds!"

[TRD 83 SUPRA XX]

PS Yes I did copy and past it but at the same time I did go out and look for it!!!

[Junkie]

#24


Eats road apples :facesjump

[drftsupramk2]

greg that shit had me laughing for days sometimes I think I should act like a drifter and pretend I'm all in the scene. When people ask me about my car I'll show that pic. The whole drifting culture in japan is cool. For me it's all about the muscle cars and the dukes. When I was younger I did some dirt circle track, and some other dirt racing. truthfully It's just good clean fun to me. my infuence is my uncles coronet sideways with me in the passanger seat at about 80mph's. Or 4 wheeling in the scout sideways through a mudhole. I think the jap car culture is true but they are capatilising on something my grandpapy was doing in his race car.
At any rate who cares whether it will go away or not! jokes are fine but the full out bashing is just immature, kinda like the old people that rag on cars for being japanease. reminds me of a guy in this area talking shit about supras,I said supra's would own his shit, he was like I'll race your supra guys versus my 90's impala guys. I said fine they'll be down, head for head and he said "uhhhhh bracket racing". I bet Aaron remembers this.

[BillyM]

....after 30 replies, lets hear it.

--BillyM

[sarinas_dragons]

Good thing we didn't sit and wait all day.....

[BillyM]

...I haven't left the keyboard, on the edge of my f'n seat, leme tell ya.

--BillyM

[Phil G.]

It took me 0.35 seconds to find the answer on Google....

Cooley? Where you at?

[sarinas_dragons]

hm mm mm mm, dum de dum dum, oh yeah, while we're waiting I thought it was funny on the same day Billy told me that my Allard idea versus lo-cost sucked balls and Shawn told me post #24 eats road apples. hahahahahahah. Ah......

........do dee do bibbity (whistle) hmm hmm uhhh....

That was a good one, "you're cluttering the site","nuh uhh you are". hmmm mm uhh hooo hooo.......

.......I can't wait for the next info on the wheels........but I may have some 15x6 stockers widened to 15x10...........

he's leavin' us hangin'......fuck it

[Junkie]

Roflmfao !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jack Daniels]

i hat to say it but....i think he ran away

[sarinas_dragons]

If you count to 30 by tens (10, 20, 30.....) we're still technically on thirty.

[CarFreek]

Old.... you did not have bigwheels. If you took a regular trike apart at the handlebars and front forks and front wheel and flipped the rear part of the trike over (use imaginations, please) and put the bars and fork and wheel back on the trike, this was the pre-bigwheel circa 1964. The seat was unusable unless dad redrilled the hole. My neighborhood, Spring Valley, CA was blessed with sidewalks, a hill and a cul-de-sac slow-down area. There were three sizes of trikes that I and others had modified and four or five of us would go to the top of the hill and race down.

Those pedals were pedaling themselves so fast we had to keep our feet way out of the way. At the bottom of the hill is where we learned: peeling the wheel (peeling the hard rubber tires off the rim in a turn), highsiding-pitching over the side once you peeled the wheel and the dreaded front-wheel hub/spoke failure. We beat on those things so hard.
Any of you guys ever have Banana seat Schwinns? The tight setup on those was the coaster brake backend with caliper front brakes,Sissy bar and playing cards in both wheels-Could be setup for drifting with big and littles-usually 20" in back-only we didnt call it drifting back then-

[CarFreek]

Hey, I just realized one more post gives us 40-Cooley, where are you?

[cooley346]

sorry everybody my computer has been down. Will give answer after school, got to go.

[Speed Racer]

sorry everybody my computer has been down. Will give answer after school, got to go.

I wonder if it's after school yet? This must be an amazing answer coming. I'm on pins and needles waiting to know.

Here is my answer:

Drifting started because the Japanese tire companies and engine repair shops just weren't making enough money, so they paid a variety of japanese street racers to drive around .... sliding their cars and burning the tires off the rims.

It suddenly became popular to beat the shit out of your car in front of large crowds of other idiots who also wanted to beat the shit out of their cars too!

The big tire companies like Toyo and Yokohama were THRILLED to see their profits quadruple in a short period of time. To the delight of engine shops all around Japan, the prematurely worn out JAY DEE EMM engines were pulled out of cars due to being driven at redline constantly for 20,000 miles - and they replaced them with new ones.

In fact ... these shops were even more delighted to find they could ship these JAY DEE EMM engines to the United States and make money that way too!

It was just a win-win situation for everyone. Yay! :facesjump

[KwS]

I wonder if it's after school yet? This must be an amazing answer coming. I'm on pins and needles waiting to know.

Here is my answer:

Drifting started because the Japanese tire companies and engine repair shops just weren't making enough money, so they paid a variety of japanese street racers to drive around .... sliding their cars and burning the tires off the rims.

It suddenly became popular to beat the shit out of your car in front of large crowds of other idiots who also wanted to beat the shit out of their cars too!

The big tire companies like Toyo and Yokohama were THRILLED to see their profits quadruple in a short period of time. To the delight of engine shops all around Japan, the prematurely worn out JAY DEE EMM engines were pulled out of cars due to being driven at redline constantly for 20,000 miles - and they replaced them with new ones.

In fact ... these shops were even more delighted to find they could ship these JAY DEE EMM engines to the United States and make money that way too!

It was just a win-win situation for everyone. Yay! :facesjump


And most shops were also thrilled to find that if you labeled anything "JDM!!!11" they would sell quicker than you can actually say what J.D.M stands for.

[drftsupramk2]

I would blame most of the above on ricers and that damm movie that made a 2j that many more crack deals away. dammit!j/k
at any rate who cares!!!!!! I think alot of you guys don't have a clue about real drifting because of all these flatland tarmac drifters that everyone sees. I seen some footage of it and it is lame as fuck, deff not what I consider drifting. I really wish the critisim would die out, or ever the entire popularity of it. Then it will become what most of us call " good clean fun" and nothing more!

[84SupraMD]

Alrite i gues ill have to fill you guys in on how drifting started. Drifting started in the mountains of japan where the street racers would go after they were chased out of the city by police, in the mountains the corners are to sharp to take at racing speeds and turn around so the racers started use their e-brake to kick the back of their cars out and slide around the sharp turns while going slower but still having the rush of flying around a corner. And that is how drifting started.

[BillyM]

...glad I waited up, I can finally get some rest now.

--BillyM

[sarinas_dragons]

domo arigato Mr. Drift-boto

[stevrock]

Drifting, it's nothing but rice. Always was, always will be.

-Think about it, they take these RWD cars, and slide them sideways. It gives the illusion of going fast, when really, they are just no good beaten to shit winter beaters.

-They win races based on points awarded by judges for style.
:rlky4:
I'll tell you of another sport that does that, figure skating.

-People crawl to these events to see mediocre cars do "burnouts" and some questionable female figures with fake breasts in tight shirts promoting the newest trends in "JDM" accesories.
News flash asshole, your car comes from japan, that makes it JDM.

Ricers as the posers of people that have nice cars, and actualy street race them.
That will do up their car with shoddy work, and expect to be rewarded for mediocracy.
Drifters are the posers of racer's. They will sticker up their car, add rediculous camber, lighten the vehicle a little bit and say they're racers.
The thing is, you don't have to be fast to drift, which is why it's big in japan, and big in the ricer scene. You just have to be big and flashy.

[TRD 83 SUPRA XX]

I just love all these comments. ROFL!!!! I can see it now tho.

Thanks to our drifting the RWD car market is comeing back.

[ma71supraturbo]

-Think about it, they take these RWD cars, and slide them sideways. It gives the illusion of going fast, when really, they are just no good beaten to shit winter beaters.

If you're ever in norcal, hit me up and we'll see how slow you think it is. You actually enter the corner faster than grip (but scrub most of that speed and exit much slower). Oh yeah, you're also looking out your side windows and not your windsheild... It's pretty intense




-They win races based on points awarded by judges for style.
:rlky4:
I'll tell you of another sport that does that, figure skating.


a) they're not races
b) Most people don't compete, they do it for FUN
c) lets see you tell Freestyle Motocross guys that they're just like figure skaters

[stevrock]

*pokes with stick*

[Solo1Supra]

Taken from Wikipedia and I quote...
"Many of the techniques used today in drifting were developed by rally drivers competing on dirt, gravel and snow. On such surfaces, the fastest way to take a corner is generally by sliding."

[CarFreek]

-They win races based on points awarded by judges for style.
:rlky4:
I'll tell you of another sport that does that, figure skating.

.
At least with drifting, theres no East German/Russian Judges to F**k you over, eh?

[she-westcoast]

^^heh. yeah I remember that. damn that olympics feels like a long ass time ago

[stevrock]

At least with drifting, theres no East German/Russian Judges to F**k you over, eh?

Bahaha, yeah, how could I forget about that.

Seriously though, that's what I had in mind, if you have judges, you'll always have biases.

[82MKIILtype]

Man oh man... 95% of people that talk about drifting don't have a fricken clue about it. :rolleyes:



Belive it or not, 90 years ago roads were not paved! Loose surface and cobblestone was a good as you could find. Going fast on loose surface meant sliding around a bit.

With a rear wheel car, getting on the gas exiting a corner caused a "Powerslide" on the exit of a loose surface corner. The common Oversteer handling charateristics meant that was easy to turn, but a bit unstable.

Next came front wheel drive. Due to the front engine, front wheel drive ... when you stomp on the gas all the car would do is go straight, and pull the car in the general directing that the front wheels were pointed. Enter the era of "Understeer." Where cars drive straight off the road when a there is a corner taken under power.

SO, now you need a handbrake to force the understeering FWD to turn at, or even before a corner. The "E-brake slide" is born ... left foot braking plays a part too, but that's another sermon.

Think about it this way ... if you balance a pencil on your right fingers and hold on to the tip of a pencil and let it hang down with your left fingers wich one can you make point to the ground faster? The stabil hanging pensil, or the unstable balancing pencil?

New fighter jets are designed to be unstable. Only the complecated electronics can keep them flying straight. Loose power, and they plummet. Why? They manouver faster when enharently unstable.


So now we have RWD oversteer and powersildes ... and we have FWD understeer and E-brake slides. And all this by 1930's (well FWD existed, but didn't catch on till 1950's and 60's with the Mini Cooper,Saub, ect. ) Oh, and all this is centered in Europe? Belive it or not, Honda and Toyota did not invent FWD.

So where is Drifting created? Wait a minut ... What the hell is Drifting?

If you're talking about the sensationalized pile of pith that robbes all of the above for showmanship and "Kudos Points (PGR2 racing Xbox 360)" well then Japan is your answer.

If you can even own a car in Japan ... you have too much money. Monthly parking is more then my rent. The cost of an expensive sports car is tiny compared to the expense if parking, tolls, and insurance. Drifting started in the 70's and 80's when Businessmen gave thier sons money for cars and with a complete disrespect to thier cars or others they would gather in "Rich Boy Gangs" with fancy cars and go and race in the streets because they had Dadys that could afford to pay the fines and fix thier cars when they smash them up. Everyone wants to be around the cool rich kids so even poor street loosers lined the streets at 3:00 AM and made "Morons into Role Models." Japan is so densly populated, even the 1% of morons that every society has is enough people to start a fad. For all you "Drifters" ... way to buy into it. :weaksauce




WOW, what a rich and fulfilling Motorsport history Drifting has ... I want to be a part of that. Oh wait, no I don't.

Drifting did not invent the powerslide.

Drifting did not invent the E-Brake slide.

Drifting did not invent anything.

Drifting takes well known driving principals and pimps them out to make cars do tricks like malnourished Circus animals. These cars are beaten and abused and should be rescued and put in a shelter.

Drifting is nothing more than a late night infomercial for burned tires and busted drivelines running on an endless loop in the minds of the foolish.



You want to learn to control your car, under the right conditions, for the right reasons ... great. Most drivers today suck and could learn a lot. Do a powerslide every now and again ... sure it keeps your skills sharp. E-Brake slide, yup I do it on icy roads for control in my FWD Celica all the time. I feel naked without an E-Brake in a FWD on icy roads.

Refer to any of the above as "Drifting" ... :gtfoslap:

Going through an intersection in downtown anywhere with the rear tires locked in your Civic on dry pavement ... :weaksauce :gtfoslap: