Warning!!! Do Not Buy This Car!!! Read Below!

[Suprafanatic]

Guys,
I posted to get some input on a MKI that I was buying in DC and this turned into a friggin nightmare. You have to read the correspondence between myself and this moron - he's is the biggest asshole I have ever had to deal with - a total imbecile who claims to own a car dealership - West Auto Sale in Washington, DC.

You have to read it....

It just went up again on eBay today ( wonder why no-one completes the deal with this assclown)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6447&item=220002867425



Response to my inquiries through eBay

Under the body is very solid- you will not be disappointed with that at all. I don't think any rust repairs were ever done to this car, in my opinion. Car is overall VERY solid. Maybe a minor paint bubble starting in one or two places but very minor and isolated. I can have my tow guy take it to the train for you, but there will be a towing fee to do that. Charles and Ricardo

Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 07:57:13 -0400
Nuts - I was out of town yesterday afternoon and missed the auction –let me know if the buyer doesn't come through - thanks.

Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 9:55 AM
What price are you willing to go for. Call me right away at # so I can let the winning bidder know I have another interested party. Chalres

Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:01:48 -0400
Ricardo,That doesn't seem like the right thing to do.... I wouldn't want it done to me. I could only put together about $1200, but I still need to see some other pics if you can. You are in WA state or DC?

Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 4:40 PM
Please call me at #. Charles and Ricardo

Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:54:44 -0400
I was tied up the entire day and didn't have an opportunity
to call - is the car still available?

Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:23 AM
Phil- Yes, the car is still available. Please call me at #. Charles


PHONE CALL


Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:01:44 -0400
Charles, Can you get me the codes off the plate inside the engine bay
on the firewall? It will read something like this: BLMQEA 4ME MA46 101624 6A5YWA5 W50 F313 That tells me the make up of the car - thanks in advance. I'd also really appreciate some more pics if you can.

Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:38 AM
Phil- AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, I AM NOT SENDING YOU ANY MORE PICS. I AM NOT JUMPING THROUGH ANY HOOPS FOR YOU. THE CAR IS ALL ORIGINAL
AND VERY SOLID. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, THEN FINE- DON'T BUY
THE CAR. AT 1200.00 IT IS AN ABSOLUTE STEAL. TELL ME YES OR NO IF YOU WANT THE CAR. OTHERWISE, I WILL GLADLY RE-LIST IT AND SELL IT FOR LIKELY MORE MONEY. IF I DON'T GET A DEPOSIT FROM YOU TODAY, I WILL NOT SELL YOU THIS CAR AND BAN YOU FROM BIDDING WHEN I RE-LIST. CALL ME ONLY IF YOU ARE READY TO SEND DEPOSIT NOWTODAY) SO I CAN GIVE YOU THE WIRE TRANSFER INFO. NO HARD FEELINGS - I JUST DON'T WANT TO PLAY ANY GAMES. IF I DON'T HEAR FROM YOU BY 4:00 pm EASTERN TIME TODAY, I WILL ADD YOUR USER ID TO MY LIST OF BIDDERS BLOCKED FROM BIDDING ON MY ITEMS SINCERELY, CHARLES DEWEY AND RICARDO
CUNNINGHAM


Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:51:19 -0400
Did I strike you as a dead beat when we spoke on the phone, or are you thinking of someone else? This kind of attitude is not what I call a positive precursor to doing business with you. I asked for something simple, and have not asked you for much. I haven't seen pics of the damage you indicated as the pics you posted don't show the pass door or the left rear corner. As a Supra collector, I would like to know what you have there before I commit to it. Quite frankly, $1200 is not money I am interested in just tossing around like a salad - I've been screwed MANY times on internet transactions, and they were all from the US, so I'm understandable cautious lately. My business day is 18hrs long, so I'd appreciate a little bit of flexibility considering that I'm willing to save you some added effort/cost relisting it and going through another possible NPB situation – does that not sound reasonable? Let's work together on this - thanks. Please forward the code or just jot it down - I'll call you this afternoon.

Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:16 AM
Phil- AGAIN, The ad is truthful; my feedback is 100%, any dents
are minor and as described/photographed. AGAIN, car is VERY solid
and you won't be disappointed in any way. It is much easier for
me to re-list than jump through hoops for you. ONCE AGAIN, if I
don't receive a deposit from you TODAY, you will not EVER buy
this car. I am not trying to be rude, just FIRM. If you don't want to trust me, then I suggest you take your business elsewhere. AGAIN- I AM NOT GOING TO JUMP THROUGH ANY HOOPS FOR YOU. Charles

Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:34:00 -0400
Richard,I am not distrusting you, nor insulting you. I am a cautious
businessman having taken it in the ass too many times. Don't take
the enjoyment out of buying this car with this attitude towards me because I want to know what I'm buying. Business is business. I'll send the deposit once I get the banking info. I'll pay for storage until I can pick it up, and will bring the balance in cash as requested. If that works for you, fine. If not, fine.

Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:35 AM
Phil, Here is the wire transfer info. you requested for purchase of the
Supra Celica: ###### Since it is an int'l. wire transfer, it may take a full day to clear the federal reserve, so please call or go to your bank and do this as soon as you receive this email. I expect it to clear by the end of business tomorrow. Please advise as to when you plan to pick up. Charles and Ricardo

Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:41 AM
Phil, That is fine. Anything past next Wednesday is US$7.00 per day
storage. I don't care about the money for storage as much as I care about freeing up the storage spot for other cars. I need the spot so please try to pick up the car as soon as possible. Charles

Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:54:38 -0400
Charles, I will endeavor to get there as soon as humanly possible, but I would just appreciate it if you work with me as someone in this business, not some punk kid - I think we will relate to one another a lot better that way. I've been in the car business a mighty long time, and many lessons learned along the way. Neither of us has time to waste here, and time is money. I'll get to the bank this aft and see about getting a transfer made. What is the name of your business?

Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:57 PM
My business is West Auto Sales, Washingoton, DC. The wire transfer is
to my name, NOT the business name. Let me know now if you are uncomfortable doing this because if you are, I have no problem not selling you this car.

Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:06:12 -0400
Ricardo,I contacted my bank and yours also, and they had already confirmed that the account is in your name. I have no issue that gives me cause for
further concern. I hope you understand my apprehension with any and all
transactions which give me no recourse or protection. Paypal has been
my main method, and even they are not foolproof. I will certainly add to your positive feedback as long as everything goes according to our arrangements. The transfer should be going through in the AM Is this info correct?

West Auto Sales
1 Kennedy St Nw
Washington, DC

Where can the car be picked up?
Thanks.


Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:07 PM
Phil, Yes, The info. you stated is correct. The car is in storage 15 minutes south of DC in Lorton, Va. Address fro pick-up is: 8935 Telegraph Rd. Lorton, Va. 22079. That is where you will pick it up from. Charles


Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:37:20 -0400
Ricardo,
I have a bank draft in hand, and it will go out today - you should
see it by Monday - the cost of the wire transfer was too exorbitant
at this end. What address would you like it sent to and who made out to? Yourself or West Auto Sales?,

Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:39 AM
Phil- Deal is off. I don't take checks of any kind. You're playing way too many games and aren't a man of your word. Do not respond to this email or your computer will get a virus. Charles

Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:41 AM
I have over 11 emails from you! What a waste of time you are! I spent at least 2 hours emailing you. You're a panty waste.


Panty waste? Creative.
I'll see to it that everyone in the Supra community knows what happend here - good luck getting more than $100 for this car next time it goes to eBay. Ass.


Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: Interference/slander issue
Phil, ANYTHING you do to interfere with any future eBay auction of mine
or to slander my name on any other site and YOU will be held accountable. I guarantee you will regret it. Charles and Ricardo


Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:00:54 -0400
I'm trembling - this is freedom of speech, genius - you can't do dick
about it. You brought this on yourself by being an asshole, pal.
Everyone in the Supra community will know what you're about, so good
luck with future auctions. Don't email me again.


Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:31 PM
Take my pictures off your Website NOW.

Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:40:54 -0400
Pound sand, pal. It's my site. I'll decide what goes on it.

So, please avoid the urge to bid and save your own frustration in the meantime. I don't want the bid to go any higher than $100, since I told him that's what I'd do. Sure, it's petty, but I'm pretty pissed about this.
Thanks to all.

[Mone]

Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:39 AM
Phil- Deal is off. I don't take checks of any kind. You're playing way too many games and aren't a man of your word. Do not respond to this email or your computer will get a virus. Charles

Isn't that illegal? I mean, the guy is admitting that he will transmit a malicious piece of software to your personal computer or work computer and possibly could have the intent on acquiring your personal information. I say report this conversation to the ebay authorities and then the local authorities as he threatened you.

[Suprafanatic]

Legal issues I hadn't even thought about. The insulting and degrading comments were blurring my vision. What the guy needs is his ass handed to him. Ebay won't have anything to do with it as I didn't bid on the car - I contacted him afterwards to see if the high bidder actually completed the sale so I could buy it outright from him.
Mike and I are working on a visit, but no violence is planned - yet.....

[Supra_Newfie]

HOly Sh!t!! Man that dude was being a royal ass!! After all the dicking around he did, I would have stopped even trying to get through his thick skull...obviously something is up with the car, or something is not legit with his business. Have fun with the visit! Make sure to bring a bat with a spike in it!! haha....j/k!

Cheers and Good Luck,
Grant

[Mone]

Mike and I are working on a visit, but no violence is planned - yet.....

I never said anything about violence. From working in the programming industry, I can say that viruses and online threats are a big issue and ARE dealt with SERIOUSLY (at least in the state of washington). If you do end up with the car, screw him over like no other with all the legal issues. Consult a cheap lawyer or a friend who knows federal US internet threat laws and check everything you can nail this guy for from your e-mails.

Good luck man!

[Suprafanatic]

I have no intention of inflicting physical harm on this shitbird. Not worth the consequences....
I like your idea on the virus threat however - I hadn't thought about that. I have more derogatory emails on my shop computer - I'll post them here shortly.

[Mone]

I like your idea on the virus threat however - I hadn't thought about that.

Hey, if you have copies of the e-mails that are verifiable by the e-mail client server (like hotmail or whatever) then they will come with a code that verifies they were indeed sent from him to you with said viral threat. If you have all that, he's dead.

[Suprafanatic]

Will this do it?


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Phil- Deal is off. I don't take checks of any kind. You're playing way too
many games and aren't a man of your word. Do not respond to this email or
your computer will get a virus. Charles

[Mone]

that's definitely enough. I see a few IP addresses in there, but I don't know enough security/encryption/networking to decypher the whole thing for you. But I'm sure once the rest of the forum starts waking up and checks this out, someone will know how to use it. So long as you have those e-mails saved and they exist on a secure client server, then you are golden. Well, I'm off to bed (I work a night shift that gets done at 3am and its 6:30am now) but when I wake up later in the day I'll see what others are saying. Good luck.

[SilverMk2]

I'd just stay far far away, its probably better that way. The whole circumstance of how he wanting to be paid sounds flakey at best. You can't turn him into ebay since you broke rules and offered to buy outside of ebay. The guy probably thinks he can get more on ebay and wanted to shake you off. Anybody who has 16 pages of legalese an a half paragraph about the item makes me look elsewhere.

[CJSREDPRA]

Sorry this didn't work out Phil. Yeah, the seller in this case sounds like a royal dick & the documented threats of a virus was not a good idea on his part. Who knows.. For all we know, there "PROBABLY IS" something wrong with this car & this guy is trying to find a safe way to unload it & cover his ass!!!!

Thanks for informing the community about this seller. I DON'T CARE who some of these moronic sellers are, if it's something like this that has a following/community like ours, these sellers need to LEARN that we're paying attention to these auctions & the transaction results & how smoothly things went (or not) ARE BEING WATCHED!! They'll "slowly" slowly learn.

P.S. You'll still get that MKI added to your collection!!! Just have to find the right one!!!

[WadeT]

I don't get it... FFS, it's a $1200 car so why all the fuss? I could understand if it was a 30k MKIV but c'mon... Just ask him to see the car in person before buying. A plane ticket is what $79? No biggie.

Whether or not if the guy is an idiot, never buy a car sight unseen.

[Andrew]

I don't get it... FFS, it's a $1200 car so why all the fuss? I could understand if it was a 30k MKIV but c'mon... Just ask him to see the car in person before buying. A plane ticket is what $79? No biggie.

Gut Feeling.

[terrasupra]

I'm temped to start flaming this guy on ebay for being such a dick.

[kazuma83]

What an asshole remind me to never buy anything from this asshat:fawk:! Really appreciate the heads up as I buy all the time from ebay and really don't want to get screwed:bananas:.

[CJSREDPRA]

Just ask him to see the car in person before buying.

Gut feeling ALSO says otherwise. Phil asked for a "simple request" for the information from the dataplate... And already this is going downhill.

Asking to see it in person.... Am betting the seller is going to have an issue with that also... Something about this seller really stinks.. I think Phil is doing the right thing & I honestly don't think he was asking for too much. PLUS he was asking if there was anyone nearby who could go look at this for him & nobody spoke up.

This is just me, but I think the $79 - $80 can be used elsewhere... Just my :twocents:

[Tanya]

Post this guys ebay user ID in the buyer feedback forum so other people can steer clear of this assclown.

[Josh=MK1]

I agree Tanya, the only real recourse is for this guy to get bad press. Jerkass's like this should know that their actions are not acceptable and to have him feel it through e-bay would be just reward.
To keep Phil safe from any direct connection with this, can anyone here report or post this to e-bay?
I would just hate to see a really nice MK-1 suffer over a socially retarded dipshit with no common business sense.

[flyingbrick]

I have a feeling that this guy is gonna have some bid retractions. :loser:

[Suprafanatic]

Gut feeling ALSO PLUS he was asking if there was anyone nearby who could go look at this for him & nobody spoke up.


Actually, not altogether true. MWebber stepped up to the plate and offered to drive 3.5 hours to see and buy the car on my behalf since I realy wanted this car. Clown wants $2300 for it now though, so although I think the car may be well worth it, I'm not about to double the agreed price at this point.

It's not so much that I distrust this knob, but the fact that he was so incapable of making any concessions to complete the deal and then going off like a momma's boy since he wasn't getting his way. That's what steamed my nuts. Add to that the fact that a wire transfer leaves me not a pot to piss in if the fartknocker is a scam artist, and I'm reluctant to put any money in his pockets, no matter how big a chub the car gives me.
Now, I'm all about the payback, and that viral threat is not lightweight filler!

[Chrisfrom1986]

I have a feeling that this guy is gonna have some bid retractions. :loser:
same here! :kekekegay

[Suprafanatic]

I sense something is afoot here...
I contacted the high bidder (rem3337) from the auction I missed, and here is his reply:

Don't buy the car from him. I am at work but will tell you more later..... This is the 81 Supra, right?

So I'm anxious to hear what he has to say! Perhaps the current bidders are aware of the shenanigans now? Sweet!

[flyingbrick]

I just sent this guy a question asking where the pictures of the damage are seeing as the listing says to refer to the pictures. You know what this dick tells me? Try zooming in before you waste my time. This dick doesn't even have a picture of the passenger side of the car listed to see the damage on the passenger side door and the picture of the left side of the car was taken from the front so that you can't even see the damaged quarter.
I think some more people need to ask this guy for the damage pictures. He thinks we're wasting his time, let's go ahead and do that then. I know I have nothing better to do.:kekekegay

[Suprafanatic]

Can you post his actual response?

[flyingbrick]

Sorry, deleted it. Want me to ask him again so that he gives me a really nasty response?

[Tanya]

LOL, harass him until he quits Ebay altogether, that sounds like the plan :D

[Josh=MK1]

Hey have any of you seen that it is up for sale again on e-bay? He is stating that it is up for the 3rd time due to deadbeat bidders..... Here is the link http://cgi.ebay.ca/Toyota-Supra-RARE-FAST-1981-Toyota-Supra-Celica-LOW-MILES-CLEAN-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ220002867425QQihZ012QQcategoryZ64 47QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem This guy is unbelivable, I do think that he needs to be reported.
Still sad to think that this poor MK1 is caught in the middle of all of this with a dickweed such as this guy.

[Tanya]

Q: Hello !!!!! I would like to buy this car, but I need some form of sales contract to be sure that I am the only buyer of the car. Sorry to be this leery but there are so many fake listings these days... I already have a sales contract prepared so I can send it to you and look at it and tell me if it is OK. Also, if you have some type of contract prepared, that will be OK. How would you like payment and when can I come and see it, and maybe test-drive it? Thank you, Michael Best
30-Jun-06
A: My terms of sale are clear and explicit; if you are not willing to abide by them word for word or are not trusting of me in any way, including the way I do business, then just please DON'T BID.



:ugh:

[Viper]

Just a point, if the car was indeed made in Japan, it would be a left hand drive.
Clearly the pictured indicate its not.

However, it does look very legit, but who is to say he didnt steal the pictures of another site.

[Viper]

Hehe, na, just his big ploy about the chassic no. being 'J' something
Trying to promote its Jap'ness, when clearly it isnt.

[Josh=MK1]

I do think that this is ligit, I also think that this guy is a ligitamit asshole. If you have the time look through his history ~ feedback comments. Almost everything has a reply stating how happy everyone is with what they bought from him and that they drove it so far to get home and had no problems. He is very good at promoting and protecting himself. That only enforces the fact that he is a true slippery salesman that can not be trusted.

[Suprafanatic]

That is something that struck me odd as well - everyone of them dorve an incredibly long distance without issue, and each response is nearly identical.

There are no bids on the car now - WTF? No record of retractions either.....

So....
I sent him an email through eBay on my other account

Hi - I looked at this listing last night and there were a bunch of bids, but today, there are none? What has happened? I am very interested in the car, but this seems odd - I have money in hand and pay as soon as I win - thanks.

[flyingbrick]

I e-mailed him again about the pictures that don't exist. Now he tells me that the reason I can barely see "IT" is because IT'S minor.
I asked him why the only picture of the drivers side was taken from the front of the car if it has damage on the quarter and told him that he didn't have a picture of the passenger side door.:duh:

[Suprafanatic]

Check THIS out - you need permission to bid now. I wonder how he decides who stays and goes?


stingray-man! ( 121) Retracted: US $1,100.00
Explanation: Entered wrong amount Bid: 30-Jun-06 18:35:49 EDT
Retracted: 01-Jul-06 06:37:04 EDT
pr409 ( 223) Cancelled: US $100.00
Explanation: Administrative cancellation. Bid: 30-Jun-06 17:57:29 EDT
Cancelled: 01-Jul-06 10:54:45 EDT
98silvergts ( 15) Cancelled: US $1,000.00
Explanation: Zero rated. Did not ask for permission to bid. Bid: 30-Jun-06 14:26:11 EDT
Cancelled: 01-Jul-06 10:54:14 EDT
5436roger ( 5 ) Cancelled: US $50.02
Explanation: Administrative cancellation. Bid: 30-Jun-06 11:17:22 EDT
Cancelled: 01-Jul-06 10:55:11 EDT
gaydukov ( 0 ) Cancelled: US $10.00
Explanation: Zero rated. Did not ask for permission to bid. Bid: 30-Jun-06 10:08:57 EDT
Cancelled: 01-Jul-06 10:53:49 EDT

[flyingbrick]

Here's a cut and paste to his latest response that the reason I can barely see the damage is because it's so minor.

No, I can barely see it because it's in the back of the car and you have a picture of the front of the car. That still isn't answering my question about the damage on the passenger side door. Don't tell me to zoom in again or another wise ass remark like that again. Tell me why you don't have a picture, or post a picture already. How are you gonna come right out and say that there is damage on the passenger side door and then not show the picture? Seeing as the price is so low on the car I'm really interested in it. I don't want to keep it though, Im gonna part it out and need good body pictures in order to know whether or not it's worth buying. The only way this is gonna happen is if I have good pictures of it. Don't you want to sell this thing? Post the pictures and get it over with already.

[Suprafanatic]

Oh, that's gonna make him all pissy now! :zzzzz: :zzzzz:

[flyingbrick]

Check THIS out - you need permission to bid now. I wonder how he decides who stays and goes?


stingray-man! ( 121) Retracted: US $1,100.00
Explanation: Entered wrong amount Bid: 30-Jun-06 18:35:49 EDT
Retracted: 01-Jul-06 06:37:04 EDT
pr409 ( 223) Cancelled: US $100.00
Explanation: Administrative cancellation. Bid: 30-Jun-06 17:57:29 EDT
Cancelled: 01-Jul-06 10:54:45 EDT
98silvergts ( 15) Cancelled: US $1,000.00
Explanation: Zero rated. Did not ask for permission to bid. Bid: 30-Jun-06 14:26:11 EDT
Cancelled: 01-Jul-06 10:54:14 EDT
5436roger ( 5 ) Cancelled: US $50.02
Explanation: Administrative cancellation. Bid: 30-Jun-06 11:17:22 EDT
Cancelled: 01-Jul-06 10:55:11 EDT
gaydukov ( 0 ) Cancelled: US $10.00
Explanation: Zero rated. Did not ask for permission to bid. Bid: 30-Jun-06 10:08:57 EDT
Cancelled: 01-Jul-06 10:53:49 EDT
I wonder why stingray-man! retracted his bid saying that he entered the wrong amount. It's almost like every single person who bid on the car, including those who had been out bid, somehow became aware of this thread and got scared off.:kekekegay

[Mone]

Please post his reply! With his history of replys, it should be something to get the popcorn out for and sit back.

[Suprafanatic]

The car is currently located here:
8935 Telegraph Rd. Lorton, Va. 22079

SOMEBODY please go look at it and take some more pics for this cheesedick! And me too.

[flyingbrick]

Please post his reply! With his history of replys, it should be something to get the popcorn out for and sit back.
I will, if and when he gets back to me. I really hope he tells me something nasty. I want to have a good reason to verbally abuse this asshole.:woot:

[Suprafanatic]

I wonder why stingray-man! retracted his bid saying that he entered the wrong amount. It's almost like every single person who bid on the car, including those who had been out bid, somehow became aware of this thread and got scared off.:kekekegay

None of these bidders retracted their own bids - he did it probably after being asked more than one question by the same person, and in the process, screwed up a nice $1100 bid!
Do we know any of these people?

[flyingbrick]

None of these bidders retracted their own bids - he did it probably after being asked more than one question by the same person, and in the process, screwed up a nice $1100 bid!
Do we know any of these people?
Wrong, stingray-man! retracted his bid. He said that he entered the wrong amount. The others were cancelled by him.

[Suprafanatic]

No, here is the reason - I just emailed assowipo

I cancelled bids to change the auction to a private auction b/c there is someone out there emailing people trying to get them to not buy it. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to change it to private auction so I cancelled the bids for nothing. Click on the bid # and you can read the reasons for cancellation. Charles

[Tanya]

Has anyone attempted to carfax this car yet???

[flyingbrick]

I just copied and pasted and pasted this from e-bay. Retracted: US $1,100.00
Explanation: Entered wrong amount
The others were cancelled.

[Suprafanatic]

Has anyone attempted to carfax this car yet???
Here it is:


1981 TOYOTA SUPRA
JT2MA47LXB0002694
LIFTBACK 3 DR
2.8L L6 EFI / REAR WHEEL DRIVE
Standard Equipment | Safety Options
CARFAX Vehicle History - At A Glance
• 4 billion vehicle history events checked from public and private sources
• Qualifies - CARFAX Buyback Guarantee
• Last reported mileage - 94,232 miles




CARFAX guarantees the information in this section
Salvage | Junk | Rebuilt Guaranteed No Problem
Fire/Flood | Hail Damage | Buyback/Lemon Guaranteed No Problem
Not Actual Mileage | Exceeds Mechanical Limits Guaranteed No Problem

No airbag deployment reported to CARFAX. No Issues Reported
Odometer Rollback Check No indication of an odometer rollback.
No Issues Indicated
Accident Check No accidents reported to CARFAX.
No Issues Reported
Manufacturer Recall Check

Check with an authorized Toyota dealer for any open recalls.
No Recalls Reported


1981 TOYOTA SUPRA
Body Style: Liftback 3 Dr
Engine Type: 2.8L L6 EFI
Free CARFAX Report Riverside Metro Auto Group
Distance: 32.11 mi
Contact Dealer
1982 TOYOTA SUPRA
Body Style: Liftback 3 Dr
Engine Type: 2.8L L6 EFI
Free CARFAX Report Saturn Of Riverside
Distance: 32.11 mi
Contact Dealer


A CARFAX Vehicle History Report is based only on information supplied to CARFAX. CARFAX checked over 4 billion vehicle history events and found 4 record(s) for this 1981 TOYOTA SUPRA (JT2MA47LXB0002694).

Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
01/31/1981 NICB Vehicle manufactured and shipped to original
dealer
09/24/2003 94,217 Virginia
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Ashburn, VA Title or registration issued
New owner reported
10/01/2003 94,232 Virginia
Inspection Station
Ashburn, VA Passed emissions inspection
10/02/2003 Virginia
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Ashburn, VA Title or registration issued

[JoeBWanKenobi]

Check THIS out - you need permission to bid now. I wonder how he decides who stays and goes?


stingray-man! ( 121) Retracted: US $1,100.00
Explanation: Entered wrong amount Bid: 30-Jun-06 18:35:49 EDT
Retracted: 01-Jul-06 06:37:04 EDT
pr409 ( 223) Cancelled: US $100.00
Explanation: Administrative cancellation. Bid: 30-Jun-06 17:57:29 EDT
Cancelled: 01-Jul-06 10:54:45 EDT
98silvergts ( 15) Cancelled: US $1,000.00
Explanation: Zero rated. Did not ask for permission to bid. Bid: 30-Jun-06 14:26:11 EDT
Cancelled: 01-Jul-06 10:54:14 EDT
5436roger ( 5 ) Cancelled: US $50.02
Explanation: Administrative cancellation. Bid: 30-Jun-06 11:17:22 EDT
Cancelled: 01-Jul-06 10:55:11 EDT
gaydukov ( 0 ) Cancelled: US $10.00
Explanation: Zero rated. Did not ask for permission to bid. Bid: 30-Jun-06 10:08:57 EDT
Cancelled: 01-Jul-06 10:53:49 EDT

Dude, if you bid on this car and your bid is cancelled for no reason, report his auction for avoiding reserve fees:
"Reserve Fee Avoidance - Canceling bids and ending a listing early because the seller's desired price has not been met. Sellers who do not want to sell an item below a certain price should use the reserve price option or set their starting price at the minimum price they are willing to accept. Please see the complete Reserve Price Violations policy. " http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-circumventing.html

I strongly urge anyone who has their bid retracted due to this to report to eBay. I already reported him for having a minimum deposit fee that exceeds the possible purchase price of the item, considering he has a $.01 opening bid and no-reserve (excessive fees). I looked through his feedback and the other private auction recently was on a toyota cressida.

[2slow4you]

Why not go to VA to the storage lot where the car is being held, cut the door open and hold the car hostage until he quits being an assraming uncle-fucker?

Just kidding of course =-p

I went through some shit to get my Mark II but nothing to the extent this guy is making it out to be. While it looks like a nice car, god only knows how old those pictures are(there's no digital time stamp on them). Last carfax record (listed above) was 2k3. Lots of stuff can happen to a car, even in storage, over 3 years.

While it appears to be a clean ride, I wouldn't deal with this guy any further. You're comming down from Canada which is a minium of like 12hour drive(to the DC North VA area) or a few hour flight. If you fly, you have to rent a truck and dolley(or full car trailer thing) then go deal with this dickhead in person.

Screw that.... poor slug in the hands of an imbisule

[Chrisfrom1986]

No, here is the reason - I just emailed assowipo

I cancelled bids to change the auction to a private auction b/c there is someone out there emailing people trying to get them to not buy it.
that might have been me teehee :hsugh:

[Suprafanatic]

...and the fun continues...

Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:44 PM
To: adrenaline@gto.net

PHIL- YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO USE MY PICTURES. REMOVE THEM NOW OR I
WILL REPORT YOU TO EBAY. CHARLES AND RICARDO

my response:

Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 6:04 PM
Are they copyrighted? I don't even know if this car exists. Ebay doesn't give a rat's ass what I do on my website, so blow that out your ass.

They however care about the way you have been conducting yourself regarding removal of bids, and threats toward me in the form of a virus. That is international criminal intent. You are pushing all the wrong buttons pal. You picked the wrong person to screw around - how's the auction going by the way? I've already been contacted by the last high bidder about your conduct, so don't be surprised if your eBay feedback takes a dive into the crapper real soon.

Are you some punk kid or a man? Owning a business doesn't make you anything more than what you are - an impatient, unaccommodating, demanding and intolerant prick. You act and talk like a paranoid adolescent All you had to do was extend me a little common courtesy and we would have already completed this transaction.

Do not email me again - actually, go ahead - I'll block them at the server, so have at it.


That should get him going a little more.....

[4SFED]

I am interested and just sent him the following:
There is a dent on the rear left corner (refer to picture) and on the passenger door (refer to picture) Could you send some pix of the affected areas? I am very interested in this old Toy, but your pix don't show the damage you describe above. Wrong angles. While you're at it, could you take a pic of the data plate on the firewall - I am curious about the differential and the tranny - the codes on the plate will tell me more about what you got there.
Thank you very much,
DaveH

[flyingbrick]

Here's a cut and paste to his latest response that the reason I can barely see the damage is because it's so minor.

No, I can barely see it because it's in the back of the car and you have a picture of the front of the car. That still isn't answering my question about the damage on the passenger side door. Don't tell me to zoom in again or another wise ass remark like that again. Tell me why you don't have a picture, or post a picture already. How are you gonna come right out and say that there is damage on the passenger side door and then not show the picture? Seeing as the price is so low on the car I'm really interested in it. I don't want to keep it though, Im gonna part it out and need good body pictures in order to know whether or not it's worth buying. The only way this is gonna happen is if I have good pictures of it. Don't you want to sell this thing? Post the pictures and get it over with already.
Here's his answer to my last question.
Im not taking any more pics... bid on it as is whewre is

[flyingbrick]

I just sent a response to his last answer.
Then I guess you just lost your sale. Good luck selling the car, even though I doubt you'll ever sell it. Not with an attitude like this. It's no wonder this is the third time you've had to put the car up for auction.You're trying to get people to part with there money and you wont even show them what they're buying. What kind of seller is that? It's not like you're selling the car for $100.00 or something like that. People are gonna want to see what they're bidding on. Good luck!

[flyingbrick]

This guy somehow has another 7 bids on the car. I would be a little careful before contacting any of these bidders because they may be him. I'm not sure what kind of trouble someone can get in for trying to screw the guy up. We could however, have the previous high bidder contact them.

[Mone]

I'm so happy to see everyone screwing this guy over. He deserves it so much and I love Phils last e-mail to him (except for the blocking part, you shouldn't block his e-mail addy, cuz this is entertainment). We're not tampering with the auction, those people still have a choice to bid and we're not changing that right. HE is however, tampering with the auction by cancelling bids to meet his own personal, undeclared reserve. The only person at fault is him.

[4SFED]

Actually I am very interested in this car since I recently sold my other 81 with the 5mge transplant. He sent a reply to my previous question but it was blank so I sent this.
hello, I got your reply, but it was blank! Could you resend? I just recently sold my old 81 to a kid in Chicago and I miss it much - this one looks maybe better except I'd sure like to see the damage you described. And don't forget the data plate too - I know how to decipher those old Supra codes and I'm curious about the diffy ratio and the tranny.
Thanks,
DaveH

[Chrisfrom1986]

Dave, im sure your better off finding a different MK1 from a much better person that this guy.

[JoeBWanKenobi]

This guy somehow has another 7 bids on the car. I would be a little careful before contacting any of these bidders because they may be him. I'm not sure what kind of trouble someone can get in for trying to screw the guy up. We could however, have the previous high bidder contact them.


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Spend a few minutes taking eBay's tutorial on Shill bidding.

If you believe that another member is artificially raising the price or desirability of an item by shill bidding please report it to eBay. Please be sure to provide the user IDs and the item numbers in question.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/seller-shill-bidding.html


PHIL- YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO USE MY PICTURES. REMOVE THEM NOW OR I
WILL REPORT YOU TO EBAY. CHARLES AND RICARDO

my response:

Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 6:04 PM
Are they copyrighted? I don't even know if this car exists. Ebay doesn't give a rat's ass what I do on my website, so blow that out your ass.
This is false. The images are copyright the originator as soon as they are produced. Unfortunately, the Asswipo has copyright. Therefore, a reasonable request to remove images should be honoured. However, if the images are being used for an educational purpose, or if the images are demonstrative of his product or services, then fuck him, he can deal with section 17 of the U.S. copyright act. Also, he freely posted the images on the internet in a public venue such as eBay without any restrictions, so he obviously didn't protect his copyright there.

Mone82MKII: post page 5, #47, explains it is against eBay policy to cancel bids to avoid having a reserve auction (and reserve auction fees). In fact, you can report him for this too.

[4SFED]

Dave, im sure your better off finding a different MK1 from a much better person that this guy.

Yeah, he just sent the following reply that he has an offer, yet the nice guy that he is, he's willing to tell that buyer he changed his mind if I call and make him an even better offer.

"I've already got an offer on the car. If you want to make a better offer call me at 571 212-7231 but do it real quick as the buyer is coming on Monday. I could always tell him I decided to keep the car or something. Charles"

[Mone]

"I've already got an offer on the car. If you want to make a better offer call me at 571 212-7231 but do it real quick as the buyer is coming on Monday. I could always tell him I decided to keep the car or something. Charles"

what a prick.

[Suprafanatic]

This knob is USDA, prime choice, #1 assmunch. He did the same to me as another buyer.

Him:
I dont sell outside of eBay unless you make the right offer and send deposit immediately.

Me:
Well, what is the right offer? I'm a motivated buyer.....

Him:
make an offer but do it quick b/c I have another one on the table as we speak.

What a turd. Well, I got the message from someone else that the car is sold and there is a deposit on it already, so even though it will still be entertaining to harangue this melon a little longer, don't anyone else try to buy it - thanks.
There is definitely more fun to come though, mark my words!~

[MWebber]

Yeah, he just sent the following reply that he has an offer, yet the nice guy that he is, he's willing to tell that buyer he changed his mind if I call and make him an even better offer.

"I've already got an offer on the car. If you want to make a better offer call me at 571 212-7231 but do it real quick as the buyer is coming on Monday. I could always tell him I decided to keep the car or something. Charles"

Wow,

I bet the guy that's put a deposit on it would be some kind of super duper pissed if someone were to do that to him.


yup... suuuuuper duuuuper pissed.

[flyingbrick]

Someone who could make the quick trip from Virginia to DC?

[4SFED]

I think I'll wait awhile before replying to him and tell him that his methods seem to be a bit underhanded to me.

[Chrisfrom1986]

more possible buyers have been warned...

[4SFED]

I was gonna sleep on it but I couldn't wait - I decided to respond to his offer:

"You lost me there. I'm not gonna deal with someone who would stoop so low. I can just imagine flying into DC to pick up the car from you and you say sorry I sold it to someone else after I sold it to you - what a greedy ass!"

[MWebber]

Someone who could make the quick trip from Virginia to DC?

I'm just saying I bet that would piss the guy off to no end. I just opened my own shop so I'm busy as hell and I have a bunch of stuff to do Monday... and Tuesday... and...


Mike

[Suprafanatic]

This just keeps getting better!:faint:

My correspondence with the last high bidder....

From: adrenalinemotorsports.ca
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 5:48 PM
To: 'Robert Moore'
I didn't buy the car, and the guy annoyed me so much, even threatened a computer virus, so I'm likely to take legal action - what happened in your case?


From: Robert Moore
Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 1:48 AM
Hi there,
Below is most of the correspondence between myself and this ass hole.. Start at the bottom and read up. Let me know how I did in dealing with him. I know I came out a winner :) Robert



...and now, the moment you've all been waiting for.:zzzzz: :zzzzz:


From: "Robert Moore"
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:34:45 -0400
Ok, glad to have the info. I will call you before the end of the night and make arrangements to pick the car up on Sunday most likely. I hope this works for you. You are welcome to call me at XXX-XXX and I will answer if I am home. BEFORE I send any monies to you I will require that you fax a copy of the front and back of the title for the car and bill of sale indicating that you have sold me the car. The bill of sale must include the VIN number, the sale price of the car, the $150 fee that you are charging me, as well as the name, address, and phone number of your dealership. The bill of sale also must include my name and address. You can fax to me anytime at . I look forward to receiving a bill of sale and a copy of the front and back of the title for the car and I also look forward to sending your money and making arrangements to pick the car up. I hope you can work with me some (as far as picking the car up from you) once the car is paid in full (as I work most every day and have to arrange a flight). Thanks! Robert Moore

From: Ricardo Cunningham
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:29 PM
Kind Sir- You are seriously late in sending the deposit. The deposit was due within 24 hours of the end of the auction. The vehicle was to be picked up within 72 hours of the end of the auction, which is tomorrow might at the latest, NOT SUNDAY. You are in violation of my terms of sale and are not making things easy on me. Did you not bother to read my terms of sale? It is CLEARLY stated that if you are uncomfortable with ANYTHING, you were not to bid on this car. Clearly, you are not following my terms of sale. If you were uncomfortable about ANYTHING, which includes who I am or what the title looks like, that was to be settled BEFORE you bid. I am NOT going to jump through any hoops for you to validate to you who I am or anything else for that matter. I am insulted that you would bring up these issues now; you should have you brought them up before you bid. You are a non-trusting person who in my opinion really doesn't want this car. If you do not want this car, why don't you send me my eBay expenses (200.00) and we will split ways. If you are man enough to leave your phone # or call me, I will gladly discuss this with you. But CLEARLY you have not bothered to call since winning the bid despite me asking you to call so I don't have much faith you wil do that. I am not obligated to even sell you the car at this point since you are in serious violation of my terms of sale. Charles and Ricardo

From: "Robert Moore"
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 00:52:19 -0400
Hi Charles (and Ricardo). I am having trouble understanding why it is that you are being so rude! I will have you know that I DO want a supra like his one (and have since I was a kid), otherwise I would not have bid on yours and obligated myself! I did NOT, however give up MY rights to be comfortable with releasing MY money to a stranger (when I placed a bid and won the auction for your car). You mentioned that if I were man enough to leave a phone number, that you would gladly call. You HAVE a PHONE number AND a FAX number and have had them since I got home from work (see below), yet you HAVEN'T called. I WAS man enough to leave the number and YOU HAVE PROVEN THAT YOUR WORD IS NO GOOD (you had the number, didn't bother to call, didn't even realize that you DID have the number). SEE BELOW!! (e mail that you responded to) Based on your terms and on MY terms, I was willing to buy this car and WOULD have met your 72 hr time restriction for payment in full had you sent the credentials that I require. Furthermore, I was willing to fly into DC on a moment's notice and get behind the wheel of a car that I know nothing about and drive it over 600 miles, depending on it to get me home safely BASED ON YOUR WORD. When it comes to spending MY money, it is of NO CONCERN to me whether you feel like it is made easy on you (or not). I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU! As far as your 72 hr thing, had YOU done what I asked (and had I paid you in full) this would have been sufficient. The car carrier (name of company) could have picked the car up sometime next week, Tues - Fri. Since YOU say in your auction that you will work with a car carrier of my choice (provided that the car was paid for in full within 72 hours), your comment about having to pick this car up before tomorrow night is really not an issue here. Unless YOUR WORD is, once again NO GOOD. What is the difference in waiting for a car carrier until next week or having me pick it up in person next week as long as the bill is paid in full? It does not say in your auction that you are not willing to prove who you are, nor does it say that you are not willing to provide the name of your dealership. It doesn't say that you won't fax a bill of sale to the buyer before they release their money. YOU say that you are a licensed dealer and have been for 10 years, Why not just prove it (if it's TRUE)? The car is pictured in front of a MINI WAREHOUSE (not a used car dealership). The address that you gave me (1801 Preston Drive) is a RESIDENCE sir, it's NOT A CAR LOT. I saw it for myself on a satellite mapping system. Why is it that you think I have to take the word of a stranger? I DON'T!! Since you have been in the car business for over 10 years, I am sure that you know all about insurance companies and their requirements. MY insurance company told me that I need from you (in my possession) a copy of the title and a bill of sale (signed by the seller) in order to insure the car, which is yet another requirement of MINE. I require that MY car be insured the very minute that I pay for it. PERIOD! You have called me a non trusting person. I don't have to trust you sir (without credentials), I don't even know you! I would question your HONESTY and INTEGRITY since you have a serious problem with my requirements. It is real simple to fax both sides of a title and to type up a bill of sale. It takes about 15 minutes, start to finish. After all, YOU WANT $1175.00 of MY MONEY. You say that you won't jump through hoops, DON'T! You say that you are not obligated to sell me this car, then DON'T! You say that you want $200.00 from me to forget this deal. YOU CAN FORGET IT! IF I DON'T GET A CAR, YOU WON'T GET ONE PENNY! PERIOD! You don't need to worry about my faith, I can assure you that I won't be calling you. Who would (call you), with the tone of this letter and with your lack of willingness to prove yourself? WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO HIDE? You already have my name and address. We aren't at 72 hours yet, we still have until tomorrow night. I really DID want this car.. You can fax to me anytime. You could also get in the car and drive it to my house in Atlanta. I'll add $300 for your trouble (making the total $1475.00) if you drive the car to my door. I will NOT send you ANY money AT ALL until you provide me with what I REQUIRE (for obvious reasons). I WILL NOT KISS YOUR ASS TO MAKE THIS DEAL HAPPEN AND I WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY MORE OF YOUR RUDENESS AT ALL (if we are going to continue to communicate). You have my permission to send this correspondence to e bay if you would like, it will save me some trouble. Please ask e bay to contact me immediately when you do. I will be waiting to hear from them. You have ana wesome life and good luck in your future endeavors! Robert Moore

From: "Ricardo Cunningham"
You are INCONSIDERATE. You cost me over 200.00 and you don't care.Remember- what comes around goes around! You will get yours one day, trust me.

From: "Robert Moore"
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:56:01 +0000
Ebay says that you are getting your money back. if I respond and agree. You could just provide me with the requested credentials... Do you want me to respond to e bay so you can get your money back (thus costing you nothing)? Let me know, I have done nothing at this point... You should not be so rude to people, maybe things will go better for you if you start being nice (and trustworthy). Have an awesome day! Robert Moore
From: "Ricardo Cunningham"
Respond however you want; You know you screwed with me and you will get yours one day...trust me....

[Suprafanatic]

Wow,

I bet the guy that's put a deposit on it would be some kind of super duper pissed if someone were to do that to him.


yup... suuuuuper duuuuper pissed.


I know someone else who would be super duper pissed.......

...and I KNOW Charles is REALLY going to be pissed when he finds out what has happened and then what is going to happen.
Who would like to take the ball and run with it on the internet virus threat thing? I don't have time, but I'd sure like something to come of it...

[turbogoo1]

Wow....this guy is amazing. All this over a car. And not even a really minty one.

[Suprafanatic]

that's definitely enough. I see a few IP addresses in there, but I don't know enough security/encryption/networking to decypher the whole thing for you. But I'm sure once the rest of the forum starts waking up and checks this out, someone will know how to use it. So long as you have those e-mails saved and they exist on a secure client server, then you are golden. Well, I'm off to bed (I work a night shift that gets done at 3am and its 6:30am now) but when I wake up later in the day I'll see what others are saying. Good luck.

Mone82MkII - are you interested in taking that to the next level, or instructing me on how to do so - I assume you know your way around in these matters....

I just emailed Robert with copies of my emails - told him to grab a beer and pop some corn.....

Scott - it's a matter of principal at this point. I for one am sick of these kinds of people giving average Joe's a drag through the shit. He is also giving the world a very bad impression of the American people - are you going to sit still for that? Hell, I'm a Canuck, but I've met so many great guys/gals in the States - this asshat is not indicative of that. He needs a lesson taught him.

[turbogoo1]

No, but I'm the type of american that shows up at his house and takes a sorta "subtle" approach. Since he gave his home addy......hmmmm.

Oh and the better business bureau of d.c hasn't heard of that business. You would think that if your in operation for that long they would find out. Especially with a car sales point of view.

[turbogoo1]

Fluff...darn computer...

[Mone]

Mone82MkII - are you interested in taking that to the next level, or instructing me on how to do so - I assume you know your way around in these matters....


I'm not much of a network admin. n fact, all I really know is that it IS possible to track this guy down. I know that you can simply take copies of your e-mails and that Robert guy's emails to the local authorities and they will deal with it.


Remember- what comes around goes around! You will get yours one day, trust me.

and


You know you screwed with me and you will get yours one day...trust me....

The ellipses say it all. This guy has an address of Robert and sounds like he's into shady business. Just watch the news the next couple of days. I wouldn't be too surprised if this guy (Charles and Ricardo) go SNAFU. Those last two threats he made to Robert are definately enough to take to the police.

And my own little theory, this car is stolen. That's why he won't give us the pictures of the VIN. The VIN on ebay might be fake, and he could be selling a hot car.

Take your emails and robert's to the police where you live and instruct Robert to do the same where he lives (more important for Robert though, he has more personal risk at stake here).

Keep me posted, but I don't know enough about e-mail stuff to nail this guy myself. Let the police handle it. Seriously.

Good work though.

[RaptorRacing]

Holly Crap Phil...this is like a soap opera. Can't wait to find out how this episode end...good luck.

[rwago]

Holly Crap Phil...this is like a soap opera. Can't wait to find out how this episode end...good luck.

Ditto, It's like "As The Car Turns". Thanks for the entertainment Phil. :)

[spamalope]

Hell, if the BBB hasn't heard of his biz then he might just be slinging them from his house and might not have a dealer's licence. In that case you could nail him big time for not having a licence and if he's not claiming that income on his W2 then you could bag him for Tax Evasion and let the IRS pipe clean his turd shoot. Fun times!

[CELICA XX]

Everyone flood him with annoying questions and picky comments...


"Hello, I'm gonna need you to post a picture of the VIN number... I need more convincing before commiting to this vehicle. Thank You."


HAHA !!!!!!!!!!

[Suprafanatic]

Everybody bid on the car now - run the price up so that he pays large fees!
:zzzzz: :zzzzz: :zzzzz: :zzzzz: :zzzzz: :kekekegay

[Squid699]

Huh - I just saw a car like that at wawa......weird

[MWebber]

Huh - I just saw a car like that at wawa......weird

:rlky4:

you mean a car "exactly" like that? :D


I'll post data plate info, pics, etc etc... after I get back from South Carolina to pick up my sick kiddo. We're leaving in a hour and I just got home..... Once we get back, It'll be WAY TOO soon to see the inside of a car.... and I'm gonna win that damn sleep-a-thon too.

edit: VIN cleared NCIC and came back not stolen, I verified the VIN on the car with the one listed on EBay. I can't divulge muh info on this, but the boys in blue were close at hand if anything untoward were to happen as well.

And for all those wondering..... He's an Internet Bully who was too chicken shit to show up himself, I'm sure he was just WAY too busy with some other deal, but sent Recardo to close the deal, He seems a pretty cool guy though.

I did give Recardo a msg to give to Charles, paraphrased: It would be in his best interest to stay away from Supras since we don't take kindly to people being pricks, If he would give people the common courtacy of saying 'the car's 40 minutes away from here, I can get them for you next time I go there' or something similar instead of 'NO! blah blah my pussy hurt get me a dousche to wash it out'.... uggg.... anyway... that's the short story.... I was just informed we're leaving earlier than 6AM... just smack me and call me Susan!
/edit

Mike

[turbogoo1]

Ok *Smack* Susan.......

I still dont like thier business practice......I can understand being screwed a couple of times....but dang.....sheesh

[Mone]

well, after one of you guys buys that car, then we nail him. Either that or offer 10x's the amount for it right after he sells it to one of us. That would piss him off so bad.

[turbogoo1]

On Jul-01-06 at 19:44:34 PDT, seller added the following information:
If you bid on this car and then receive an unsolicited email from someone trying to slander me or dissuade you from buying this car, please forward that email and address to me. Thank you.


Hmmmm....interesting.

[CELICA XX]

well, after one of you guys buys that car, then we nail him. Either that or offer 10x's the amount for it right after he sells it to one of us. That would piss him off so bad.HAHA... awesome idea

Pretend to be a serious interested buyer.

[Suprafanatic]

Well, because I'm a rub salt in it kind of guy, I got the ball rolling it that direction a few days ago already, and sent the money shot just now....
Me
Hi - I looked at this listing last night and there were a bunch of bids, but today, there are none? What has happened? I am very interested in the car, but this seems odd - I have money in hand and pay as soon as I win - thanks.

Him
I cancelled bids to change the auction to a private auction b/c there is someone out there emailing people trying to get them to not buy it. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to change it to private auction so I cancelled the bids for nothing. Click on the bid # and you can read the reasons for cancellation. Charles

Me
Why would someone be trying to stop others from bidding? Well, anyway, I would like to buy it as a wedding anniversary gift for my parents who bought one new and this one is even the same color. They had to sell it when money was tight - it broke their hearts! Problem is I need to pick it up in a few days in order to give it to them on July 8th. Can you give me the magic number that cash in your hand will make the sale?

Him
I dont sell outside of eBay unless you make the right offer and send deposit immediately.

Me
Well, what is the right offer? I'm a motivated buyer.....

Him
make an offer but do it quick b/c I have another one on the table as we speak.

Me
Well, I've thought long and hard about this, discussed it with the family, and considering the timeline and how badly we want to get it for our parents anniversary, we took up a collection. The most we could muster up is $3500 for the car. I hope that is a reasonable offer - if not, we might be able to get a little bit more, but not much. The resale value on these cars is not that high, but it literally looks identical to the one they had - it might even be the same car! I can't find out without spilling the beans...
Please tell me that it's still available!!! I would like to come tomorrow afternoon to pick it up if that's OK.
Anxiously awaiting your response...



Yup, that's the devious sort of prick that I am. Don't you just love it?

Now, since Mike has sort of alluded to the fact that a new MKI is sitting in VA right now, so far there seems to be a happy ending. He went WAY beyond the call of even friendship and brokered the deal with this assmunch on my behalf! I haven't heard any more details other than that, but I'm anxious to hear how nice it is (or isn't) and as soon as we get all the paperwork settled away, I'm goin to reach out to our numb nuts pal Charles (he even mispelled his name in one of my emails - Chalres) give him the single digit salute and tell him about how he had just been had. I'm sure we'll be smiling when all is said and done.
Now, I have to plan my roadtrip down there to bring it home!


Mike, I can't begin to thank you for all the effort that you put into this, and you'll be repaid in spades, to be sure! I really didn't think you were serious when you offered to do this! As soon as we get the paperwork finalized so dicksquash doesn't go and pull a fast one - we all know he's capable of this now - I'll be giving him a call on the phone and telling him to take a long, hard suck on my arss!

[Solo1Supra]

Doesn't this whole thread seem like one of those "priceless"
moments we've seen on the internet and TV?

[Mone]

who wants to make this into a mastercard commercial? Then submit it to mastercard on behalf of CS.com. That would be awesome.

[CELICA XX]

Me:

Hello, I'm gonna need you to post a picture of the VIN number... I've heard a lot of bad press about this car and I need more convincing before commiting to this vehicle. Thank You.





Him:

please forward the emails that were sent to you as well as the eBay user id from where it was sent regarding the car, and then I will send you the VIN pic you asked for.





Me:

No thanks, my request wasn't an invitation for negotiation. Thanks anyway...

[Solo1Supra]

I suggest keeping a low profile on this till things are "transferred". Then unleash the fun.

[Suprafanatic]

Me:

Hello, I'm gonna need you to post a picture of the VIN number... I've heard a lot of bad press about this car and I need more convincing before commiting to this vehicle. Thank You.
Him:

please forward the emails that were sent to you as well as the eBay user id from where it was sent regarding the car, and then I will send you the VIN pic you asked for.
Me:

No thanks, my request wasn't an invitation for negotiation. Thanks anyway...

When did this transpire?

[CELICA XX]

When did this transpire?I received his response Monday, July 3, 2006 6:30 PM

[CELICA GTS]

Another reason I hate Ebay with a passion ..just too much drama I'm starting to go down the Cragislist route....I don't pay crap to sell it and no commision

[rwago]

I suggest keeping a low profile on this till things are "transferred". Then unleash the fun.


Mike says....

I'm gonna be going to the DMV tomorrow in the A.M. after the sleep-a-thon

Mike - at Roger's house

[Chrisfrom1986]

im lost as to whats going on now?

[rwago]

im lost as to whats going on now?





you mean a car "exactly" like that?


I'll post data plate info, pics, etc etc... after I get back from South Carolina to pick up my sick kiddo. We're leaving in a hour and I just got home..... Once we get back, It'll be WAY TOO soon to see the inside of a car.... and I'm gonna win that damn sleep-a-thon too.

Mike came by to visit on the way back from picking up his kid. This is not totally related to the car dramma. Except Mike is running around a four state area low on sleep. The soap opera drama has turned into "the young and the Restless" :zzzzz:

While he was passing through he just could not resist following along with what was happening. (he did not log me off my computer, he just wanted to type out a quick message) Oh the cliff hangers of daytime TV. Stay tuned there is more to come after this commercial break.....

[Suprafanatic]

Mike came by to visit on the way back from picking up his kid. This is not totally related to the car dramma. Except Mike is running around a four state area low on sleep. The soap opera drama has turned into "the young and the Restless" :zzzzz:

While he was passing through he just could not resist following along with what was happening. (he did not log me off my computer, he just wanted to type out a quick message) Oh the cliff hangers of daytime TV. Stay tuned there is more to come after this commercial break.....

Roger,
How you doing down there? I didn't realize that you and Mike were nearby each other?...
What does the car look like? No-one has told me yet, and I'm getting annxious over here!

For those of you not keepng track, with Mike's help, and some others on the forum here badgering this numb nut for details, I bought the car - I don't know how much it was yet though.... but Mike indicated that he was so sick of all the BS over it, he almost wanted to give it away! Good job to everyone!
Plus, I'm having so much fun at his expense, and everyone is getting such great entertainment, I almost feel like we should send him an award!

[Suprafanatic]

Hmmmm....
The car is STILL up for auction! Look at all those bids! Let's have a few more bids on this so he can think about how much he could have sold it for! I already offered him $3500 cash under an assumed identity, but he hasn't replied yet...
I'm really having fun now.....

[CJSREDPRA]

LOL!!!

I've been away from a computer for 2 days & I'm glad & amused to see how this is turning out!!! Deal turning sour into "what goes around, comes around" for the seller... This has been QUITE entertaining to say the least!!!

I know others have repeatedly said that we ARE a tight knit community!! Damn Mike!!!! This is definitely ABOVE & BEYOND the call of duty, and you get a big :woot: :mm_emthup :hail: :hail: :hail: from me!!

[boyblink]

If he was reluctant to give you the information you required from the engine bay plate - i would guess that there really is no car... or am I in way over my head.... oh well.... on with the bloodshed :D

[Josh=MK1]

Just a thought guy's. I know this guy seems shady and does not have an appealing business ethic, plus is an imbecile. Who is to say he is not slightly smart enought to look up the Celica Supra club and stumble upon this thread? That would suck.

[CJSREDPRA]

That thought crossed my mind. However, Phil posted his original thread http://www.forums.celicasupra.com/showthread.php?t=23164 on June 28th, and me thinks that the seller has been "busy" (being an ass, since at the time of Phil's original above posting, this was the 2nd eBay relist).

Personally at this point, half the battle is over. The car is in Mike Webbers possession & right now the paperwork just needs to clear.. Hopefully before this guy wises up.

[CJSREDPRA]

i would guess that there really is no car... or am I in way over my head....

Re-read BOTH threads again from the beginning!!! THERE IS A CAR & Mike has it at the moment.....

[rwago]

Roger,
How you doing down there? I didn't realize that you and Mike were nearby each other?...
What does the car look like? No-one has told me yet, and I'm getting annxious over here!

Hey Phil, Things are going good down here.. Mike is actually about four or five hours north of me. So, I have not seen the car I have just gotten the description from Mike. From everything he has told me it sounds like a great car. I would like to see the car as well, I might just have to cruise up and take a look... :D

[Suprafanatic]

Just a thought guy's. I know this guy seems shady and does not have an appealing business ethic, plus is an imbecile. Who is to say he is not slightly smart enought to look up the Celica Supra club and stumble upon this thread? That would suck.

Josh,
I'm not worried about him looking it up - I'm going to send him the link so he can see what his ass attitude is going to garner him - no accolades for sure...:bananas:

I'll just be happy as a pig in shit when I get the car in my driveway - I still have to go through all the importation BS yet. Mike is sending me some pics today and I'll post them shortly.

Rog,
Might see you in a few weeks, buddy! I'll bring a few friends as well. Brown ones. From Canada. That you don't have down there. They're pretty cool. And tall. You'll like them. They make you feel stupid if you spend time with more than one of them.
:kekekegay :kekekegay

Yes, I'm talking about good old Canadian BEER!

[turbogoo1]

Im glad to see you getting this. Good luck on the drive and watch that webber person....He might put you to work when your there....lol

[rwago]

Rog,
Might see you in a few weeks, buddy! I'll bring a few friends as well. Brown ones. From Canada. That you don't have down there. They're pretty cool. And tall. You'll like them. They make you feel stupid if you spend time with more than one of them.
:kekekegay :kekekegay

Yes, I'm talking about good old Canadian BEER!

Sweeeet, you guys do have the best beer...:drooling:
Look foward to visiting with ya!

[Malloy]

Thats probably a bad idea, seriously.


Josh,
I'm not worried about him looking it up - I'm going to send him the link so he can see what his ass attitude is going to garner him - no accolades for sure...:bananas:

[CELICA XX]

Thats probably a bad idea, seriously.Agreed.

Nothing good could come of it.




Let's keep this joke to ourselves...

[Malloy]

ps: Thats a clean car, good score!

[flyingbrick]

I just bid on the car but was out bid. LOL

[turbogoo1]

Now wait....If mike has the car...and your just waiting for the paper work....HOW COME ITS STILL GETTING BIDS!?!? Or did I miss something?

[flyingbrick]

He's still taking bids because he's a piece of shit. I'm pretty sure you can't just end an auction like that. He can cancel bids for bogus reasons but he's gonna get nailed if he ends it soon.
Why isn't anybody else bidding on the car? It doesn't matter, it's in Mikes possesion.:woot:

[flyingbrick]

I'd like to know how much the car ended up getting sold for. It would be really fun to drive the price up on E-bay and have this guy kicking himself in the ass because there's nothing he can do.

[Chrisfrom1986]

man im so tempted to bid on it too...

[Suprafanatic]

So what's stopping you?
Hi, I'm bentheframer......

[Suprafanatic]

Thats probably a bad idea, seriously.

Mike,
I concur actually - we have been up to no good and could get some serious and scathing insulting from this knob - I won't point it out to him. If he finds out, we'll deal with it.

[Squid699]

Hey Phil, Things are going good down here.. Mike is actually about four or five hours north of me. So, I have not seen the car I have just gotten the description from Mike. From everything he has told me it sounds like a great car. I would like to see the car as well, I might just have to cruise up and take a look... :D

Roger,
I DID see the car. Mike swung through town on the way home. The car looks really damn nice. Some minor cosmetic blems, but nothing to really cry over. Short time in the body shop and a 7m swap and you'll have a badass ricer killer. It would make a great DD as-is.

[Josh=MK1]

I am sad that the drama is coming to an end. This has been very captivating and even my wife has been keeping up with this epic. Thanks Phil for the entertainment and glad that the good guy won in the end! To add, I think that this has been one of the more popular posted and viewed threads! Way to go!
About Penis Breath.... If the car is sold before the auction has ended (continuing to accept bids), is this something that he can be reported to e-bay for? I would still like to see bad things happen to fudge packer. Now I am going to check out the auction and perhaps bid on it. ~grinns~

[Josh=MK1]

Hey All:
I am so excited, I have just won high bid on an exellent looking silver MK1 ! I tell you it will look soooooo good beside my red one! Sister's!! lmaoraotf Teeheehee I sure hope nobody out bids me! ;-) ;-)

[MWebber]

lol.

on a more serious note: Title is changed into my name and is clear of [your choice of explitive here]. I took 30-40 pics of the car and will post them once I find the cord to the camera (tomorrow...errr... later today after I sleep).

Mike

[Squid699]

:nutkick: :dj_smiley

[turbogoo1]

I really don't understand this.....If the sale went through.....why is he still taking bids? Something stinks in denmark.....

[MWebber]

I'm pretty sure he's waiting to see how high it'll go before he closes the auction....

otherwise...if it goes to closing, the "winner" needs to go apesh!t and nail his butt for fraud with Ebay and with the Feds if he asks for money.

edit: PS, "Current bid: US $2,275.00" I bet he's kick'n himself because that's WAY more than Phil paid for the car.

Mike

[flyingbrick]

Hey All:
I am so excited, I have just won high bid on an exellent looking silver MK1 ! I tell you it will look soooooo good beside my red one! Sister's!! lmaoraotf Teeheehee I sure hope nobody out bids me! ;-) ;-)
Ha, you've been out bid.:loser:

[flyingbrick]

I'm pretty sure he's waiting to see how high it'll go before he closes the auction....

otherwise...if it goes to closing, the "winner" needs to go apesh!t and nail his butt for fraud with Ebay and with the Feds if he asks for money.

Mike
I hope I do win and he does ask me for money. If he asks for money I'm gonna send it just so that he does end up commiting fraud. That's a federal offense as long as you send the money from one state to another.:D

[MWebber]

ok, so I double posted... meh....

also, regardless of who is doing the bidding, I think this auction should be saved or something.... this can only help drive up the cost of the MKI's resale value and, long term, the MKII as well.

Mike

[Greg G]

please post a link to the auction for the stupid people like me

[MWebber]

lol, it's in the first post.... but, I'm a sport.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6447&item=220002867425

[SilverMk2]

Actually you'll probably be doing the guy a favor if you don't pay on it. If he ended the auction early he'd lose the auction money. If he lets it go thru he can file a non-paying bidder and re-list it free (and just list another car).

[Suprafanatic]

bentheframer is back in action again - HAH! I DARE you to outbid me.... errr, I mean, HIM!

[Chrisfrom1986]

FlyingBrick, im glad you sent me that message on ebay, because when i went to look at the bidders list and saw 5 more new bidders, i was like oh man, im too tired to send these messages lol. maybe i should bid... but im still scared to get a nonpaying bidder report lol.

[turbogoo1]

Me too....little scared of reprocussions...

[flyingbrick]

I doubt there would be many reprocussions is you get an e-mail from somebody saying that they bought the car from the guy personally and he is trying to commit fraud. Especially if the guy can send you a copy of the title with the date on it showing that he sold the car before the auction was over. That would be something to alert e-bay to before the very end of the auction, or just after it's over.
I doubt there would be many reprocussions is you get an e-mail from somebody saying that they bought the car from the guy personally and he is trying to commit fraud. Especially if the guy can send you a copy of the title with the date on it showing that he sold the car before the auction was over. That would be something to alert e-bay to before the very end of the auction, or just after it's over.
Here's how it would play out.
I don't know what's going on here. I won this auction and I was getting ready to send the deposit when I get this e-mail from a guy who says he bought the car a week earlier and has the title to prove it. I don't want to send the money because the seller doesn't have the car anymore and is trying to rip me off..... Can you tear him a new asshole for me?
I don't know what's going on here. I won this auction and I was getting ready t osend the deposit when I get this e-mail from a guy who says he bought the car a week earlier and has the title to prove it. I don't want to send the money because the seller doesn't have the car anymore and is trying to rip me off..... Can you tear him a new asshole for me?

[flyingbrick]

Is somebody gonna outbid me already or what?

[Chrisfrom1986]

as long as someone emails me before the end of the auction *hint mike* i will =P

[Mone]

this is so great to see guys. Never forget this, EVER. The threats, the backlashing, and being a general a-hole are all ways that this guy will go down in history in the Supra community.

On a side-note, can he possibly change the VIN listed mid-sale? If he had a second MkI (very unlikely) that looked very similar, and if he can change the VIN in the listing, then he could technically claim that its still a legitimate auction. I know very little about ebay, so someone prove me wrong pls.

[Josh=MK1]

Hey, now that is a dirty trick outbidding me!!! Get a load of this, I e-mailed dip shit through e-bay, there was a response but no detail in the body. Hummm, wonders if he has nothing to talk about? Who know's maybe he is desperately trying to find an other similar Supra? Hehehe. This is what I wrote to him;
The car look's great! It would be a perfect mate to the one I currently have (look sisters):-). My wife will love the automatic tranny!

Maybe in an other e-mail to him I could mention that I would be interested in selling mine for a certain price! ~grinns mischievously~ Perhaps this thread will continue on for a bit longer! Well off to rebid for a virtual Supra. ;-)

[Josh=MK1]

Guy's, I just tried to place an other bid but assmuncher has blocked me from bidding! What's up with that? So I e-mailed him asking why. Here it is with a little improv....

Hello:
There was a response to my e-mail but no detail in the body. I am confused, I was outbid and tried to place an other bid(s) but I was blocked from bidding. I have read your outlines but I truely don't know why, I have money and am willing to continue to bit because I know these cars as for I have had one since my teens and now that our kids are grown, my wife and I would love to have two Supra's because of the great sentimental value for us. Do you not want to sell this car? Please re-consider me in this bidding.
Sincerely,
Josh.

Can't wait for a response, that is if he does.

~long live this thread~ :-)

[MWebber]

I'd put money "beautifulcarlover" is a buddy of his....

look at the feedback.... and how they responded to the feedback.....


edit:If he does "sell" the car and get's good feedback.... mwahahahaha

[Squid699]

SHELL BIDDING!!!!!!!!!

I'm an eye witness. I've seen the signed title and the car. muahahahahhahaa

[Chrisfrom1986]

I'd put money "beautifulcarlover" is a buddy of his....

look at the feedback.... and how they responded to the feedback.....


edit:If he does "sell" the car and get's good feedback.... mwahahahaha
Shill Bidding. Ive already reported beautifulcarlover for suspicion of it.

[CJSREDPRA]

Oh my.....

I'm gone for another 2 days & this still gets even better!!! If ANYTHING I'm most glad that this car is officially out of harms way & that the title is now in Mike Webbers name...

Hrmmmm.... Unless scatforbrain ends this early, we're in for 3 more days of entertainment (ends Sunday, the 9th @ 7:00 PM West Coast time).

[MWebber]

pics:

http://www.masupras.com/mki/

dataplate os 08 and 09 doorplate is 20

I documented ALL the damage I could find.

Mike

[MWebber]

Shill Bidding. Ive already reported beautifulcarlover for suspicion of it.

did you mention that you know, for a fact, that car has already been sold also?

[CJSREDPRA]

Mike,

The dataplate pretty much confirmed what I saw in the pics in the sellers "first" eBay auction. The car is basically IDENTICAL to the Silver Slug, only with no Sunroof. The big surprise was the sequential build numbers in the VIN, the numbers were about 800+ higher than mine. The build plate pretty much confirmed that also with the October 80 build date. The Slug was built in September.

This gets even funnier!!!

Edit: Just looked at picture #2. Just discovered a interesting little "clue" (Phil is going to like this).. This car still has the original paint!! How do I know this?? Look in the little gap where the red pinstriping ends & where the thick black "stripe" crosses. Right where the red stripes end, I can see what appears to be orange paint after this???? Which means someone else laid on all of this pinstripe tape above the original factory pinstripe, which on a 81 Silver Metallic MKI "should" be Orange paint!!! Possible that Mike can take a real close look at this???? On the MKI's the factory pinstripe was painted on & should be underneath the clearcoat.

Hrmmm...... Looking at pictures as I go along... #18. You're missing the black knob for the OD On/Off switch, that is next to the dashboard light rheostat. It's a Push/Pull setup. If you use the knob as it is "now" try not to cut yourself!!!!

#22.... DAMIT!!! You're drivers seat bottom is in perfect shape!!! Mine looks like walking crap, due to dryrot damage.

#26: Looks fairly normal!!! MKI rear side panels NEVER look perfect, they all have that "peeling/sagging" look to them.

#30: Other than the door marker lens needs replacing, does the bulb still work??? (I don't think I have a spare lens).

#31: Same question, first time I've seen both of them cracked like that... Interesting....

#34: That midget spare looks familiar!!!! :)

#38 - #39: No 3-piece cargo cover??

#40: Based on the screws in those 4 oddball locations, it looks like this hatch previously had the Shadow hatch louvers in the past...

Other than the very minor dings, you did VERY well Phil & Mike!!!! Just royally SUCKS that the seller was a major dickshit....

[Chrisfrom1986]

did you mention that you know, for a fact, that car has already been sold also?
Yes I did.

[Chrisfrom1986]

Is somebody gonna outbid me already or what?
I went to bid $3000 and was notified that i was not allowed to bid... too bad =/

[Mone]

dang, that interior looks so good. And possible original paint? SCORE! You're a lucky guy Phil.

[Suprafanatic]

HOT DAMN!

I would NEVER find a MKI in that shape up here, certainly not for that price! THANK YOU MKIE!
She-it, that car is friggin clean! The hood has a crease - no worries. I have brand new OEM unit that I got on eBay a few years ago for this very moment! A little crease in the door, a few spots of rust, no biggie, missing a knob and a lens, some broken glass guide rubber, new armrest needed..... and I have an 84 5 speed setup ready to go into it as soon as it arrives. I haven't been this excited about a Supra since my very first one (which I'm not going to sell, ever, so don't even ask me....)

Now, the story gets better. I had an email from a fellow in Cali who has read the story and tells me this:
"Hi,
I read the e-mail crap you went through with trying to buy a MKI. I have an '80 hardtop with a 5-speed and only 91,000 miles. I'm in California, so is the car. And I will be happy to take $900. Great deal, no rust or body damage, plus it runs as good as any car with under 100,000 should. It's not perfect yet, but that's just because I don't like to sell a car before it's ready. This one is close enough, to sell for this cheap. Tell me if you know of someone who is looking for a straight car. I'm sorry I don't do alot of things, sooner. I was going to ask where you are from, but North is far enough & understood. I'll get some pix ready for you. So you will know and you won't have to say it later, again. I say it now;
I have three '79 MKIs and the '80 hardtop that I drive daily. I also had to strip an '81 to get rid of it. (bent frame) One of the '79's is stripped down to just the running gear left. (could be restored!) One is a black 5-speed that is out of the system and I have no title (at this time). One is white w/ blue int. w/ automatic needs a head gasket. I just bought it. I've got extra three motors and parts parts parts and I'm told they have to be slimed down to about half the herd. I've got a couple good restorable frames I would be willing to give up for free if it would save them from the scrap pile. One is a '82 MKII, stripped. If this is something you can find better use for, you tell them all and let me know. Thanks and I'll send some pixs of the other later."
Curtis Dunn
California (east of Oakland)

I'm sure someone knows Curtis with all this MKI hardware sitting about?
I just wish I wasn't 40hrs drive away!
Let's help Curtis to save the Supras (my old motto) Anyone game for these parts/cars?

[Suprafanatic]

Guy's, I just tried to place an other bid but assmuncher has blocked me from bidding! What's up with that? So I e-mailed him asking why. Here it is with a little improv....

Hello:
There was a response to my e-mail but no detail in the body. I am confused, I was outbid and tried to place an other bid(s) but I was blocked from bidding. I have read your outlines but I truely don't know why, I have money and am willing to continue to bit because I know these cars as for I have had one since my teens and now that our kids are grown, my wife and I would love to have two Supra's because of the great sentimental value for us. Do you not want to sell this car? Please re-consider me in this bidding.
Sincerely,
Josh.

Can't wait for a response, that is if he does.

~long live this thread~ :-)


Get this - he has blocked me from biidding with the identitiy that I emailed him under about the wedding anniversary gift sob story! What a prick! If he had even half assumed that I was serious but wouldnt accept the offer or tell me that it is sold, he could at least let me bid!
Everyone - we are going to win this car!
Beautifulcarlover is definitely a friend of his - another dealer.

[MWebber]

ok, since *I* bought the car, I've emailed Ebay and we'll see what they do about it. Once Ebay looks at the history behind this car and start digging into this seller's history... things should get interesting....


To: eBay Customer Support
Subject: Instant Money Transfer

Enter item number(s): 220002867425

Enter your question / concern:
The auction description pretty much sums up this part of the complaint.

Furthermore, I purchased the car this past monday (It was For Sale locally) and the seller has yet to cancel the auction. I also have good reason to believe the current high bidder is a friend or business associate shill bidding so the seller can keep his 100% feedback rating. The Seller has blocked several people from bidding on the car to keep 'beautifulcarlover' as the high bidder. As I stated, I bought this car last Monday and am willing to send a copy of the new title and bill of sale(from the Seller) as proof of ownership. I also have many pictures of the car at www.masupras.com/mki/ I worry about this Seller's business practices and knowing what I do now about him, I'm willing to bet he, or his friend/associate has been shill bidding on his items before. I find this Seller to be very distasteful and should be removed and banned from Ebay!


someone that has my number call me if this get's interesting today.

Mike

[turbogoo1]

Will do skippy.... I want to see this a$$munch taken down....

[4SFED]

I want that car. I am still bidding and have the current high bid at $3550. L O L

[MWebber]

I want that car. I am still bidding and have the current high bid at $3550. L O L

I am the great all seeing swammy......

I forsee...... you blocked from bidding today....



the Great and all powerful Swammy has spoken.

Ohhhhmmmmmmmmmmm

:D

[turbogoo1]

The great Karnack predicts with thirteen hours left he will cancel all.....

Hold envelope to forehead...
Butt munch
Jag-off
Fraudulent

Answer:
(Insert sellers name)

[CJSREDPRA]

Great.... Now we all know what Scott was doing late nights, LONG before surfing the web & looking at Supras..... He was glued to the "Tube" & watching Johnny Carson... I'm sure Karnak would have some other "wonderfull" predictions about Mr. Buttmunch right about now.... :kekekegay

[turbogoo1]

Wow turn of events...Back down to 2850. He cancelled 4sfed's bid.

[Junkie]

Wow turn of events...Back down to 2850. He cancelled 4sfed's bid.


Look again ;)

[turbogoo1]

Yikes....Stop the insanity!!!!!

[Tanya]

LOL @ Shawn bidding and LOL @ $3,500


I'm pondering bidding as well, to be an asshat...heh

[Chrisfrom1986]

LOL @ Shawn bidding and LOL @ $3,500


I'm pondering bidding as well, to be an asshat...heh
i dont think you will be able to... i wasnt.

[Josh=MK1]

I think we need to be strategic here. We need to have one or more of us who have not bidded to bid at the last minute to ensure one of us get it and not ass monkey's friend. Any taker's?

[Chrisfrom1986]

no no no... actually the opposite. if his friend wins the auction, he has to pay fees for "selling" the car to his friend. because i doubt he would report his friend for not paying right? so we need to drive up the winning bid price as far as we can so this asshat has to pay the seller fees.

[turbogoo1]

But his friend has changed his Id before....so what makes us think that would matter.....

[Chrisfrom1986]

either way, its worse for his if he has to pay high seller fees rather than reporting his friend for "not sending payment" you follow?

[Squid699]

:rolleyes: woah......go to work, 41 bids. Come home, 36........yeah this guy's REAL legit.......

[4SFED]

The cottonrocksucker cancelled all my bids!

[Josh=MK1]

I forwarded my concerns with dumb and dumber to e-bay. I told them that I was upset for being blocked and thought that perhaps there was something going on with him and beautifulcarlover. I also forwarded the e-mail I sent to knob gobbler (posted here yesterday).
Let's see what kind of attention he will get now! ~grins waiting patiently~

[SilverMk2]

either way, its worse for his if he has to pay high seller fees rather than reporting his friend for "not sending payment" you follow?

Its a car listing there's a flat final value fee. If he's doing a scam the only one he can do is too sell it to a friend that can afford a non-payment strike. This way he gets the final fee refunded and can relist the car free (and then edit it for another vehicle).

[drew t]

Wow I'm amazed. Now this is entertainment!! I have been watching all of this from the beginning, even from when the car was first listed. I would never have imagined it would come to this. Great job for sticking it to that :crossjerk .
For those that have read my previous post. I'm still working on putting the 5-me in to my 79 mk1 I will post more info and pics.

_________________________
and now the collection....
79 Celica Supra
83 Datsun 280zx
81 Datsun 280zx
81 Datsun 280zx turbo
87 Mitsubishi Starion
"yup, just plain old school"

[Negative Boost]

Haha, i asked him if i can see pics of the damage and he said... no!

I replied by saying:
Oh pretty please, i've booked a flight already and can transfer cash into your account. Just give me your details and ill send it and i'll cya in 2 days to pick it up.

Haha, cant wait to see his response

[MWebber]

well....

he just canceled all bids and closed the auction.

"Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and cancelled all bids."

He just did it, It loaded to auction when I went, then when I clicked on bid history it said the auction was closed....

end of chapter 6,391,476.

Mike

[turbogoo1]

What a butt munch......

[CELICA XX]

Oh man !!!!

Does he have a number where I can call the "dealer ship" and make another offer?

[Suprafanatic]

Oh man !!!!

Does he have a number where I can call the "dealer ship" and make another offer?

Should I post his number? I have it, Mike has it......:rolleyes: :ugh:
Decisions, decisions.......:kekekegay

[lechner]

Go back a few pages and read the correspondence. His cell phone number and home address are in the e-mails. Hope he doesn't pay by the minute for that cell time...

And, Mike, I just have to say you did great stepping up to the plate and helping out here. I don't want to get all sappy here, but damn, man, The Supra community is incredibly lucky to have you around.

[Josh=MK1]

How are we going to find out if e-bay has or will investigate? Mike, have they responded to you? I got a couple of responses, one from an e-bay person thanking me for forwarding my concerns and another stating the reason why I was blocked.
I still want to see ass monkey pay. Being banned from e-bay would be the best and for him to know it was because he is an asshole and messed around with the wrong people!

[Josh=MK1]

Hey just got this response from e-bay regarding my question about dipshits shady business practices. Here it is!

Hello,

Thank you for taking the time to write into to eBay Customer Support. My
name is Damon and I am happy to assist you further with this concern.

I am concerned about violations on eBay. In this case, there is not
sufficient evidence to show that a violation of our policy has taken
place. I understand your concern about this situation and will resume
the investigation if any additional information can be provided.

Because privacy concerns are important to everyone,I am not able to
discuss the details of another member's account with you. I hope that
you understand my position in this situation.

To read more about what eBay does, and does not, investigate please
visit the following page:
http://pages.ebay.ca/help/tp/programs-investigations.html

If you would like to contact me with additional information about these
accounts you are reporting, or any other violations, please do so.

Regards,

Damon C.
eBay Customer Support
______________________________

[Squid699]

So.....why WERE you blocked?

Mike.....maybe you should contact this Damon guy.........4sfed too....

[Josh=MK1]

All bidders were listed and had explainations of why but most were told that the Seller ended the listing early and cancelled all bids.

[Suprafanatic]

So, I'm still planning and plotting my revenge. Has anyone called this schmendrick up yet?

BTW, we are now only 9 posts from the 4000 view status here, and close to 20 pages of fluff. What other threads have been this entertaining? :crossjerk

It's like the soap from hell!

[Mone]

wow, we were at 15 pages last time I logged in (about 3 days ago). I missed the auction end! Nooooooooo! I want to see ebay's response to Mike's complaint. It'd be so great if he got banned and someone e-mailed him the link to the start of the thread. :)

[82Ltype]

All I have to say is WOW. I can't believe I missed this while it was happening and that it occured right after I moved from the DC area... I know exactly where this guys "buisness" is:
West Auto Sales
1 Kennedy St Nw
Washington, DC
Just from the address I could tell you not to trust this guy, bad neighborhood full of shitty little used car shops like this one. I'm not at all suprised by this guys shitty attitude. The virus part really had me laughing...like somebody with a used car shop knows anything about viruses!
I'm glad that my fellow supra lovers came out on top. I'm also amazed at the persistance of all of you! Remind me never to screw you guys over. LOL I have to admit this was one of the greateset threads to read though and I'm sorry I wasn't around to help. Well good luck with that 81! Brian

[Suprafanatic]

Brian - thanks for the applause - the BS was almost worth it when you look at the entertainment value this dick provided. It really adds value to the car for me as well as I really had to work hard to get it - I hope it is everything I'm told it is and then some!
Stay tuned for more updates. I'm hoping to pick it up in a few weeks!

[Suprafanatic]

The latest offerings from dicknose
http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZrQ5fcunnin21
Still feel like messing him up a little bit?

[82Ltype]

This guy is great, he wants $5k for a 1988 Chevy Nova? Even with low miles its still a piece of crap! LOL..this is too funny.
I can't belive this guys has a 100% good rating.
B

[CJSREDPRA]

So Phil, when will you finally get your hands on the MKI??? Am waiting for you to royally tell Mr. Asswipe to "suck this".

Can't believe eBay isn't doing jack with this loser.

[1suprafan]

Now he has a 87 cressie with 57K. It is shame that such an asshole has been getting some decent toyotas.

[Suprafanatic]

He seems to be stumbling over an awful lot of low mileage cars - can anyone here say "rollback"? It's not just a Walmart anymore......:bananas:

[sickntwstdtoy]

so phil whens your tentative date of pickup?

[Suprafanatic]

I HAVE THE CAR!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOO-HOOOO!!!! It is a beauty! I can't remember when I was so excited about buying a Supra, and I have bought MANY over the years. The car drives very well, stops well, the AC works, the interior is 9/10, the body is almost rust free, the paint is so-so, but for the time and effort, it was worth every penny and then some. I'm going to have my detailer and a dent guy go over it o be ready for TSC2006 in a few weeks, slap a set of P-type rims on it (thanks SOLO1) and do some suspension upgrades shortly, but otherwise it will remain stock and as is for a while until I can justify a proper restoration, complete strip out and strip down, repaint and detailing. This is truly a gem in my collection! Thanks again to Mike for going all out in the acquisition and getting it up to PA for me. I'm going outside now to take it off the trailer and romp around the county in it!

[Solo1Supra]

Didn't you take it for a quick joy ride in Jim Thorpe when you picked it up?
Great purchase Phil, with your background, you'll have it looking better than new.
And Phil was sporting twig.

[turbogoo1]

I remember a certain tire peeling episode........lol

[Suprafanatic]

Didn't you take it for a quick joy ride in Jim Thorpe when you picked it up?
Great purchase Phil, with your background, you'll have it looking better than new.
And Phil was sporting twig.
Not just twig there Joe - that was full-on, robot monster branch, I must say....:bananas:
Tire peeling? Oh, now I remember. I have to cook those cheap ass tires off yet too....

[coreybear08]

wow...i remember looking at that car before i was a member here...i wondered why it was so high lol...

needless to say id never deal with a guy named ricardo....it sounds like a gay porn stars name....and im glad you wound up with this supra!! it is in great hands!!



!!TO ALL FORUM MEMBERS!! it only took me 2hrs to read all 20pages and look at the pictures....its now 4:11am....i need a life...

[boyblink]

we all have lives here - we're Supra owners - nothing better :D

[Suprafanatic]

we all have lives here - we're Supra owners - nothing better :D

Speak for yourself.... I have no life whatsoever.:duh:

[Squid699]

It looked good when Mike swung through town on the way home. Glad you like it. Mike was considering not giving it up. We had some nice plans in the works 'cause the ricers were out in force that night, lol.

[84supra74vette]

ahahhhahah oh my god i was at page 8 when i realized i had 12 to go but they just flew by...

SUPRAFANATIC I HAVE A PIC REQUEST YOU HAVE ALL FOUR GENS OF SUPRA... HOW MANY OF US CAN LINE UP ALL FOUR AND PHOTOGRAPH IT AT ONE TIME!?! sorry about the caps i wanted to be sure you've seen it

[CJSREDPRA]

HAR HA!!!!!!

It's been done already!!!!

Bug Keith Hart & see if he still has his original picture of "this".

The pictures were to be used for the car designs on the SILV T-Shirts from about 3 years ago. The picture was my 81 Silver Slug, Dan Oxier's White 85, Rob Fenner's White 89T & Chris Wick's 94TT. Nobody in the PacNW, much less in the Seattle area, has a White MKI that we could have borrowed, thus my Silver Slug got pressed into duty.

[2T82]

!!TO ALL FORUM MEMBERS!! it only took me 2hrs to read all 20pages and look at the pictures....its now 4:11am....i need a life...
That's crazy....took me about 45 minutes....less I think. Good steal man; I was reading this thing when ti first came Out, but man, that's some funny crap! Too bad you had to jump through all that BS to get it though.

[sickntwstdtoy]

in true phil fashion, no tags, no regestration, just squealing tires, a crazy canadian and some pa country backroads, what a b e a utiful thing. Seriously tho that is one sexy car, exelent condition.

[Suprafanatic]

It seems like I'm getting some kind of reputation as a free spirited driver, is that possible?
Anyway, I'm FINALLY home. Customs tried to crawl up my blast port and ream more money out of me, but I told them to pound. Can't wait to start primping the car for the TSC2006 meet next wknd, but there is a lot that needs doing. I'm thinking about another MKI now which is more what I was looking for, so this one may be for sale shortly, can you believe that? It will be like Steve Austin however - better, stronger, faster, but for way less than 6 mil. I may change my mind, but I like to say that my mind is never made up on anything......

[Suprafanatic]

I'm diggin into the car getting it ready for the TSC2006 meet this wknd, and I'm astonished at the condition of this 25year old car! The brakes look new, probably recently replaced, but they got a sandblasting and repainting today, the P-type rims are ready to go - thanks again to Solo Joe - and the interior is mostly out for detailing and a general going over. This is a beautiful car, and I'm proud to have it in my stable! I still need to find a few bits to finish it off, and have posted for those - please let me know what you have to spare. See you this wknd!

[GoFastGrocery]

Last I knew, there is a nice '80 Supra (MK1) in Ococee, FL. Black 5-spd, supposedly rust-free. Looks like a hardtop. Brown leather interior. $950.
I have some pics and can post if interested. Not my car. Not my project.
Just found it online.

[Suprafanatic]

.....but I already have this one, and no room for any others at present. I think I posted that one already in another thread - perhaps you meant to put this there?