my new wideband

[williamb82]

got one of the checks ive been waiting for. went ahead and ordered my wideband. chose to go wit hthe aem as its much cheaper then the others and has the gauge i prefere. a friend has it and it works great. as for datalogging ill be running the signal to the ms2 and will datalog wit hthat so no worries billy. i can still datalog though i didnt get the lm1. lol.


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[pituala]

Nice.

[SilverMk2]

Looks like they have come down in price on ebay now. Mine works good the only thing that bugs me is the reading on the gauge and the reading in the AEM EMS software are rarely ever the same. Its supposedly a pretty common problem though.

[williamb82]

well, im goin wit hthe ms2 so wont have that particular issue i dont think. lol. cant wait to get it. gonna go ahead and fnally modify that 4 runner hood for my dash and mount the boost, wideband and egt gauges in it. hehehe. then put water temp and oil press on the pillar where the boost and egt currentl are.

[SilverMk2]

You'll probably have the same issue. Supposedly its a "lag" issue with the gauge and wiring. I find it hard to believe that the 2 ft of wiring for the gauge makes that much of a difference. Eventually I want to switch to the serial gauge for boost and oil temp. Those are so cool, but big $$$

[williamb82]

this one has the controller built into the gauge, thats why its cheaper then the older models. maybe it wont have the lag.

[BillyM]

...the cable-lag issue is a complete sham, by the way. Its a "believable" excuse for an unexplainable issue they don't care to fix. I don't have any personal experience with that setup, but it doesn't make much difference to me. I have yet to find any wideband setup with the level of advancement that is built into the calibration circutry in the innovate stuff. Patents sell with me boys, and when I enquire "have you done anything other than build the basic bosche-spec heater circuitry with no advanced sensor drift calibration abilities and display an output voltage" and they say "uh... ohhh... mmmm... we have a special... uh... filtering... thing" ...yet have no patents.

...I sold the lm1 (too clunky for me) and picked up the lc-1 and gauge for less than $220. I'm not saying yours isn't going to be great, I just hate to see people fall into marketing gimmicks when it comes to tuning. Where innovate says "our one of a kind calibration assures a level of exactness above and beyond the bosch systems" the other companies say "look at our pretty display!"

...but hey, if it works it works, I'd love to compare results at some point down the line (two universal bungs in my 7m'd dp, might have to have a wideband shootout!)


*now, if anyone wants to get technical... read on*

Innovate has something that, as far as I know, NOONE else has... ...and if they do, they'll be looking at a patent infringement. This is the ability to judge the sensor calibration resistor (set at the factory to be accurate at 14.7:1, but nothing else) against the voltage deviation seen at free-air (where the innovate stuff calibrates to in addition to the manufacturer-set resistor) and sets what I call the sensor "gain". On a brand new sensor, it will be dead accurate from 10:1 to 20:1 based off the sensor resistor. ...on a used sensor, say you run a bit rich (12:1) for a number of weeks, the sensor WILL have buildup and have more or less of a voltage change when it goes rich or lean from the 14.7 baseline resistance and over time will drift more and more. These sensor circuits are built for honda, VW, etc... THEY DONT CARE ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN 14.7:1. That is why you don't see a continual calibration option. ...these factory cars won't have a badass rich condition and if they do... who cares, they don't need to know much more than 14.7:1 anyhow.

...in an email posted to PLX, they actually touted their systems for not NEEDING to recalibrate the sensor "gain" to compensate for sensor usage and resistance drift. This, I have to laugh about. I mean, to the uninformed buyer, it seems like a bonus, but to anyone who's done their research, it SPELLS OUT their lacking. ...or that they don't have sensor overheat issues. HAHA! They just display incorrect data is all... Innovate knows to cut it off and give you an error when the sensor's not giving good data, thank you I'll take that.

Innovate is the only company that sees to it these are accurate out of the box, as well as over the life of the sensor. I won't trust my engines on anything else. $100 more expensive for similar options? $100 goes real quick when your wanabe wideband is reading 12.5:1 when in reality you're running high 13's:1 ratio and pop a piston. Maybe that $100 will pay for that one piston... Hm, never thought of it that way. *giggles*

If anyone is interested, I can post more... Just say the word.


--BillyM

[williamb82]

dont know, prolyl gonan be hard to remove my gauge.controller once mounted. the ms2 will recive the wideband signal so i wont even have a narrowband o2 sensor. should work well for what im doing. main thing is i know alot of people with this unit and never heard of any problems. guys gettheir cars tuned on the dyno with wideband and datalog at the same time and never mentioned the a/f not lining up. ill have to do more research i guess.