5mge in the corolla ae86 can it be done?

[tomsupra85]

ive got a corolla and a spare 5mge,the corolla engine sucks.are there engine mounts out there that will work, what can i do for transmission?it has a w50 in it i guess it would be simular to the w58.please help?

[Junkie]

Tom,search a bit,there is a thread with pics of it done,and or a 7m swap also.

[tomsupra85]

i tried search before i posted this up no good results.

[Avp23]

what about on the corolla forum, im sure they have a big forum. some where

[rwago]

what about on the corolla forum, im sure they have a big forum. some where

Corolla Forum is here: http://www.club4ag.com/

But we know the in's and out's of the 5M and 7M...

[Junkie]

I searched here also,and can't find it.I do remember the cut core support on one.

Come here and we can test fit.I have an 85 gts sitting in the shop w/no engine,and a 5m bare block sitting on a stand ;)

[williamb82]

im not searchin for the thread but i did save the pics from the thread the guy posted.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/williamb82/album?.dir=48a1&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos

[boyblink]

wow - nice carb lol

[7MA61]

unless this is going to be a drag car can I suggest its not a very wise idea lol.

[CarFreek]

Saw one on toymods,I believe. Shawn, I cant believe you havent mocked that one up yet! Just cant let Dan see you messin with "his" car, Huh?

[7MA61]

Saw one on toymods,I believe. Shawn, I cant believe you havent mocked that one up yet! Just cant let Dan see you messin with "his" car, Huh?
I'm one toymods all the time and have never seen a 5mge AE86 however someone has done a 2jz one in New Zealand.:facesjump

[Longbow_MkII]

i remember seeing a 5m in a 3rd gen celica. but i wouldnt know about the corolla.

[Junkie]

Saw one on toymods,I believe. Shawn, I cant believe you havent mocked that one up yet! Just cant let Dan see you messin with "his" car, Huh?


Uhhhh ya think.I can see it now "Dan"--Dad,it doesn't have to handle,as long as it's fast in a straight line,we'll build a Supra for handling.:zzzzz:

But,if we're just measuring and testing,for "someone else",I may be able to keep the idea out of his head a bit longer.

[JoeBWanKenobi]

Why not just put a 22R-E in and forget about the extra 400cc? Or a 3S-GTE would be a really nice choice.

But don't put a 5M-GE in the corolla. I have seen a local guy put a 7M-GTE into a corolla with a huge ass intercooler, and then gutted the interior---the thing can barely stop without hitting the front spoiler off the pavement. You might as well tune the 4A-GE to 130HP, save 200 pounds + weight balance, and call it a day. But hey, no-weight on the rear of the car means it drifts easier, right?

You will need to make custom engine and tranny mounts, because the M-series is too tall/long for the engine bay and the bonnet. You will need to relocate the radiator forwards of the stock mount, because the engine will go that far forward. At least the distributor and exhaust manifolds are in the right place... And if you have a T50 tranny, the shift lever may be in the wrong location after you put in the W-series, your propeller (drive) shaft will be the wrong length, the end of the W series shaft won't bolt to your differential, you will need new springs in the front to control the extra 200+ pounds and out-of-whack weight distribution. Also any children in the area may die, all the animals will run away, and your wife will leave you. Thus not a good idea.

The car was meant to be light and agile, not some kind of sleeper with no control and a bigger weight problem than a fat kid at krispy kreme.

[coreybear08]

uhh...if they can fit a lexus v8 into a corolla you should have no problem putting a 5m in there...mainly because its been done before...

and as for the lexus refernce...it was in super street a few months ago...cover story actually!!

[Supra_GT_R]

find a wrecked superchargerd mr2, and yank the superchanger off it, you'll get some serious power then.

[Chrisfrom1986]

uhh...if they can fit a lexus v8 into a corolla you should have no problem putting a 5m in there
The V8 is lighter and smaller than the 5MGE.

[Supra_devil]

the v8 is much lighter and smaller, fits a mk2's engine bay beatifullu IMO.

<has helped test fit a 1uz in a mk2.

friend wants to 1uz his corrolla, the one i previously turboed to the tune of 160rwhp.

[boyblink]

i heard there was a turbo kit out there for the 92+ Corolla - buddy of mine was thinking about it - said to duoble HP - check it out maybe?

[Junkie]

i heard there was a turbo kit out there for the 92+ Corolla - buddy of mine was thinking about it - said to duoble HP - check it out maybe?


92+ is a different animal again,for an engine.Boosting a 4age isn't that difficult,lots of info on the web.If he has an sr5,carb motor,as I suspect,any injected engine swap is going to require a bit of ectra fab work.
Claimed WHP on my boosted 86 mr2 with 91 4age is 250whp.I can;t prove it yet,as I burned a valve :( When fixed,I'll dyno,and probably copy the build for the AE86.

[tomsupra85]

what would it take to put the 22re in the corolla,i looked at the motor mounts on a celica at pull a part,are they the same?22re is cheep,easy to get,and there is an aftermarket.doesnt seem like it would be a bad way to go,ive heard of people puting the head of the 20r on the 22re block for higher compresion is this true?what about the transmission are they the same or interchangeable?

[JoeBWanKenobi]

Corolla typically has a T50 5-speed tranny, celicas that had the 22R-E typically had a W50 or W58 tranny.

Basically, you will need to find a RWD vehicle with a R series motor that bolts to a T50 tranny (maybe an older Toyota pickup truck, or an old celica). Or you can switch to the slightly beefier W50 from lots of toyotas that already have a 22R-E in them, namely the 3rd gen Celica 1982-1985 (the ones that look like the supras).

[Supra_devil]

or use the w58, which some corrolla guys have upgraded to in the past.

[dash]

Can't remember the size difference between the 5 and 7, but we put a 7mge into a te72 rolla. Owner went sdsefi.com standalone right away as he knew his future plans.
Firewall untouched, radiator had to sit in the plane of the radiator support (ae86 actually better as it has more room between the grille).
Installed gte pistons, manifold, ct26 and 440s, all used/cheap. CT hybrid then onto T4 + custom d.i.y. header.
Kept the w58 with a performance clutch, both held up fine.
From memory, I gave him some starion? front springs I had laying around to try. Actually turned out to be a decent, tight handling street car... nothing like anyone would 'assume'.
Acceleration was ridicuolous when it hooked. Effortlessly smoke 'em in third, torque everywhere.
With slicks and rear suspension tweaks, it picked up the fronts ~12".
Welded 7.5 diff/4.10 twisted axles twice.
Car was a beast for the 'little' that went into it.

Instead of modifying the base pan & pickup as I suggested, he chose to mess with the steering and cross member... kicked his arse for weeks before he got it right. He regretted it.

For less brutal, but surprisingly quick sprint, don't rule out a turbo 4ag. Has gone mid 12s on street tires, stock internals + T28(from s14).
T3/t4 + cams has done low 11s/hi 10s in ae86.
Not a bad performer, no weight penalty.
There's always the 7A 1.8 bottom end and 20V head if you want to go nutz

[Junkie]

For less brutal, but surprisingly quick sprint, don't rule out a turbo 4ag. Has gone mid 12s on street tires, stock internals + T28(from s14).
T3/t4 + cams has done low 11s/hi 10s in ae86.
Not a bad performer, no weight penalty.
There's always the 7A 1.8 bottom end and 20V head if you want to go nutz


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/srpmech/mr2PAmeetLs003.jpg

Yep,yep .... looking for another 90-91 longblock .... AE86 gets the twin to this pic :D Pic is my MR2 for those that haven't seen it yet :eek4dance:

[dash]

nice! must be blast

[Ian-AE86]

Dont use a 5 series engine in a AE86. its just too dam long more so than heavy! it wil be hanging out the headlights if not mounted further back into the tunnel/firewall. 1uz is engine is the rite job. essentially two 4ag's welded together at 45 degrees and all alloy with more technology in them. awesome engine and not the hardest job on earth to do. a friend of mine is currently doing one, u need to move to a pedal box setup and discard the servo etc and basically try and remove or relocate anything non essential from the engine bay as the V8 is WIDE!

Other good ideas wud be a highly tuned 4ag 16v like mine or a 20v but prepare for mega bucks for any significant return in power and long term u will probably spend the same amount as above to never get the same reliabilty and u will NEVER have the power/torque to boot. powerful 4ag are awesome and i love em but they got nothing down low and can be a pain cos gearing can play a huge part. if the motor isn't singing at entry point its clutch kick city time and makes it just makes it that bit harder to concentrate on driving when the engine is bogging....don't get me wrong there is nothing more rewarding when it goes good. and thats Gospel.

a 4agze or 7agze preferably is a good idea to overcome the scenario above if u fancy a quick fix. 7a block on a 16v head works really well when boosted. 7a cant rev as high as a 4ag but unless ur spending $$$$$ on a 4ag u will never reach the rev band needed to have a 4ag crank etc....boost the 7ag and have a 7k shift point to preserve some awesome reliability and enjoy the mega flat power band and torque. mite be best to upgrade box/diff though to save face.

However, and if i ever change my 4ag 16v it will be for 1 of the two following engines. Honda F20 or F22c or the BEAMS 3S-GE. both engines are awesome with the Honda having the edge in stock trim. potentially the best 4 cylinder ever made with awesome reliability from the box. my mate has one in his ae86 the last 18 months and has since won the PRODRIFT Championship in 07' and only finished off the top step once last year!! no probs with engine or box....only 1 diff broke which is a Toyota lite ace item welded up. some feat in fairness.

Me being me though i will probably most definitely follow suit with the lite ace axle but l try and stay Toyota and go Beams on ITBs with cams and higher compression on my OMEX ECU and use the 6 speed box. easy 250+bhp with a nice dollop of torque to 190Ibs.f or there abouts which is plenty ina competitive AE86.

[deaf_rattle]

I'm one toymods all the time and have never seen a 5mge AE86 however someone has done a 2jz one in New Zealand.:facesjump

yep, its for sale at the moment too..

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Toyota/auction-150481536.htm


http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/45/48201045_full.jpg

[williamb82]

you mean a 5m in an ae86 like this one here?

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/williamb82/5m%20in%20corrolla/

no it cant be done!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/williamb82/5m%20in%20corrolla/fb6f.jpg

[zintax]

great!!! write up on this would be heaven sent. I'm tired of ae86 owners runing to get that 4age swap.

[84GTCOUPE]

Or you can do what my brother did and swap the 4agze...
Easy swap with a converted harness and did a front mount from a starion.
Still working the bugs out but it puts you back in the seat quite nicely!
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee308/kebatcho230/IMG_0398.jpg