Listen to this $#IT

[Avp23]

Saturday afternoon around 6:00 i was on my way back home from getting a price on how much its going to cost to paint my 85. may be youve seen pics, its the one with the doors shaved. well I put back on all the lights and front plates. So im driving around with no glass in the back hatch and no hood and such and i pulled in to a chevron to get gas and got out on my car to check why i was ideling so high and all of a sudden when i got to the front of my car a cop was all ready in back of me with his lights on and said over the mike get back in your car. i guess he thought that i was a threat? so i did and i gave him insureance and lic. and reg. i had it all ecept my SR 22 :bad-word: for me thats like driving on a suspended. so he arrested me and found my brass nuckels in the back of my car that i for got that they wer there. :bad-word: i was so made. every time i drive my supra i get in troulbe by my WIFE or the LAW. What the hell is going on today? so i spent the night in jail and i posted bail.........I spent all the money that i was going to use painting my car on tickets and shit. I had to be out the next day for my sons birthday. I know that sounds bad but im a good person and those FUCKING cops i swear wer just haveing a bad day. I think i should get rid of my 85.... nothing but problems.

[zacknafei]

ouch... that is some bad luck, dont sell the supra, that is never a good choice:) to many projects end up that way.
sorry to hear the bad news
Scott A

[Supra Bob]

Andrew...I am sure this isn;t what you wanna hear right now...

but many times the cop is as stick in a situation as you are...

He may not want to bust your ass about offense X.... but when he stops you, he has to call in your plate. Once he does that, the supervisors know about the situation because they have nothing better to do than to listen to the radio all night... and at that point, the cop has the choice between keeping his job and the ability to pay his bills... or letting you go, and looking for a new job...

While I really do sympathize with ya... sometimes being a cop is just as much of a shit sammich as being the guy on the opposite end..

[Avp23]

no no no, im sorry im suposed to keep this paper with me when ever i drive. i didnt know that. Its called a sr22. If i dont have it on me its considerd driving on a suspended. its because i have to many tickets in the past. I also didnt have a rear plate on the car. thats why he came up behind me.

[Avp23]

26 tickets at age 20. Im not proud, but beat that :lol:

[Supra Bob]

I would NOT want your insurance bill.... That I can say for sure.. :wink:

[zank]

:shock: dam that sucks man. How much do you pay for insurance with that SR22?
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PS. I hate the PIGS over here in Cali.

[trdmkii]

i can't beat 26 tickets at 20 but i have.......7, had some very unlucky situations that were not my fault.....well maybe stupidity. last year when my 84 was broke down i was driving my fathers 84 olds detla 88. i got one speeding ticket for going 80, i was like ok maybe i was doing that, then the brakes failed and i ran into the back of someone, stupid car, then i got another speeding ticket for doing the same thing. One month after I finally realized that the speedo was off 13 mph...ouch but the other tickets all bad luck too happened before that...i just have terrible luck.

[dohc82]

Andrew...I am sure this isn;t what you wanna hear right now...


He may not want to bust your ass about offense X.... but when he stops you, he has to call in your plate. Once he does that, the supervisors know about the situation because they have nothing better to do than to listen to the radio all night... and at that point, the cop has the choice between keeping his job and the ability to pay his bills... or letting you go, and looking for a new job...

While I really do sympathize with ya... sometimes being a cop is just as much of a shit sammich as being the guy on the opposite end..

Not true..Police officers can exercise discretion when they choose to.

[Avp23]

I pay about 435.00 A MONTH from ALL STATE. they are a very nice and respectable company. not one of the cheaper ones thats for sure. my girlfriend pays about a hundred for 91 cutlass.
:bad-word:

[CarFreek]

Andrew-Had I known after I left saturday that you were gonna wind up in pokey, I woulda grabbed all your cool $#it from your parts collection! Seriously, I was once in similiar sitch-On my way for weekend w/son, pulled over by officer freindly for some very stupid behavior on my part-luckily, he was on a Cycle and could not transport-Ex Marine who let me know just how lucky I was to not be someones girlfriend for the week-Ive never forgot his Sermon-At least you got to see your son-By the way-Wife, Son, Girlfriend, and MK2-Where do you get any time or Money? :twisted: Shifter works great-see post in drivelines

[zank]

I pay about 435.00 A MONTH from ALL STATE.
:bad-word:
:shock: :shock: OMG and i always bitch to every one i know about paying $130/month for insurance (BTW i also have to have an SR22) and its only liability and uninsured motorist. :x

I hate those MONEY SUCKING LEACHES :bad-word::snipersm: (INSURANCE)

[wallcrawlr]

I pay about 435.00 A MONTH from ALL STATE. they are a very nice and respectable company. not one of the cheaper ones thats for sure.


Damn. Thats one of the funniest things Ive ever heard.

That are raping you for $435/mo and you say they are nice. You are paying them up the a$$. Its no wonder they are nice...youre their best customer.

You may want to give up driving for a year....and save yourself over $5000.

[CarFreek]

Insurance=Big Arcturial STAte Run Dice Scam-BASTARDS

[Avp23]

please dont think that i dont know. but i got to drive my son around and, well you know. the jay o bee......
but its mostly because i have such a long record

[Speed Racer]

I pay about 435.00 A MONTH from ALL STATE. they are a very nice and respectable company. not one of the cheaper ones thats for sure. my girlfriend pays about a hundred for 91 cutlass.
:bad-word:

OUCH!

I have Farmers Insurance and if I paid mine monthly, it would work out to $82 per month. That's with 100/300/100 liability, uninsured motorist, rental car, towing etc.

I haven't had a ticket since I was 18 years old. (I'm just very lucky)

[pdupler]

Holy shit! I take it you're under 25 as well. With any luck, someday you'll be a conservative old geezer like me. I pay just about that much PER YEAR for FULL COVERAGE on each of my supras. But I think you gotta go for like three years without a single ticket or accident before insurance will give you a break. Mabe get one of those "Back the Blue" stickers on the back glass so cops will think you're one of the good guys and try and take it easy a bit. Good luck.

Phil


I pay about 435.00 A MONTH from ALL STATE. they are a very nice and respectable company. not one of the cheaper ones thats for sure. my girlfriend pays about a hundred for 91 cutlass.
:bad-word:

[Supra Bob]

[quote="dohc82
Not true..Police officers can exercise discretion when they choose to.[/quote]

Yeah..thats the theory...but let me tell you from personal experience, it doesn't work that way. Minor things (speeding, blowing a stop sign, etc...) yeah... but ANYTHING that should require a report be done... the choice pretty much goes out of the hands of the officer...

[will]

its the end of the month... they need to fill their quota's
sorry about your troubles. they are @$$holes up here arent they..
i nearly lost my licence cause of overselus(sp?) PIGS. :mad:

[Supra Bob]

Oink Oink....Any chance of getting a smiley for me with a pig nose?

and theres no such thing as a Ticket Quota... :roll:

[Supra GTR]

Wait a minute... you have brass knuckles in your back seat? And you claim you're not a bad person?!?!?

Hmmm.. lesseee... no proper paperwork, no tags, brass knuckles, priors... hrmmmm. You're lucky he didn't call for backup, make you eat pavement with his knee on your neck, and have one of the drug dogs piss in your car. You really haven't given me a reason not to throw you in jail.

[Avp23]

hhhmmm. lets see! I dont have any priors.........
Was the brass knuckles mine? NO
No offence, but you sound like a cop?

[CarFreek]

Bob-Are we gonna have to play the semantics game here?-No ticket quotas-OK-Police officers in my own extended family have told me of "performance standards" used for wage/grade advancement--Maybe"Suggested Contact Ticket Percentage" is more PC-BUT-These same people DO NOT start to sweat and write more tickets around the 25TH-Thats where the disconnect is with the general public IMO-I dont hate the man-I have a healthy respect for him-So no kill stories from me-too much fatal street racing around here-Mike P- :(

[will]

Oink Oink....Any chance of getting a smiley for me with a pig nose?

and theres no such thing as a Ticket Quota... :roll:


in a sence you are correct. however i've been told by several active and former law enforcement officers that if they didnt write a "certain" amount per MONTH that they got bad Performance Reviews. It may not be a qouta per say. but close enough for me. :bad-word:
also i dont think all "cops" are pigs just the ones that fit the bill. :?
I've met and been pulled over by several REALLY NICE and understanding officers. :D

[Supra GTR]

The mere fact that you're 1) hating on someone for 1a) giving you a break when obviously from your prior tickets you were down and out, 1b) doing what you more-or-less set yourself up for.

C'mon now. Own up to your own mistakes. You're trying to make us hate a cop for doing his job. If he was a pig, you would have had your papers and he would have thrown it away and arrested you on false pretenses. And he would have had his knee on your neck.

Cop? Nah.....But I would have done exactly what he did. Give you a break on the things I could and the rest.... well. Obviously issuing tickets doesn't click for you. Better luck with the judge.

[Avp23]

well lets see here. the catagory is called general chat. right? i think so.
so that means that im telling my story. right.........
Im pretty sure im not trying to make every one hate cops......
thats kind of a hard task and im not the person to do it..............
im just telling a story of how i had all this money from selling a supra motor and wanting to get my supra painted and then I had to spend it all on tickets and bail and shit.................get it?

[Supra Bob]

Carfreek,

No, we are not playing semantics. There is no such thing as a ticket quota. They used to play a part in evaluations, but alot of cops were just going out and writing bullshit tickets to look good, so many departments are doing away with that aspect.

Andrew,

I can totally sympathise with your situation. I know that it seems like every time I end up getting a decent amount of up for something big.. something comes up..

GTR

We're "the man"... we are responible for all the worlds ills :) We are the local neighborhoods what the U.S. is to the world.. :wink:

[quick]

There are quotas here in Washington. They are very real, and very lame.

[Supra Bob]

Some places still have them... but most departments (thanks to the Civil Liberties people) are moving towards getting rid of them.

[quick]

Some places still have them... but most departments (thanks to the Civil Liberties people) are moving towards getting rid of them.

Based on my understanding there is rarely an 'official' quota, but there is often an unspoken, implicit quota that effects their actions.

One of my best friends is a cop in Portland, so I can see both sides of the picture. There are good cops and bad cops. Good cops use the spirit of the law. Bad cops use their power (the power of the pen and the ticket pad) to throw their weight around.

Any time I interact I just hope I get a good cop. I've dealt with both.

[Supra Bob]

Quick...

I work with both kinds... The funniest part is, they ALL think they are the good kinds...

And yes, its not a direct Quota./.. but some departments use the amount of tickets you write as part of your promotion assessment... which is being done away with... a little too slowly IMO... I HATE writing tickets... The Court around here is a joke, so short of someone hurting someone, or taking blood for a DWI... they usually end up getting off of it, or getting a reduced sentance... Which is why for every ticket I write.. I give about 20 verbal warnings.. and even then you have to be doing sometihng incredibly stupid for me to stop ya in the first place.. :)

[CarFreek]

Hey Bob-Thank you for the candor-I try to limit my encouters with the law in any aspect-More a low profile thing more than any dislike for the uniform-My 22 year old is just now coming out of a five year funk over his first year of driving-(5 Tickets-2Wrecks-"The Mans got me down")-I didnt mean to be such a bitch about the ticket thing-Mid life crisis, Etc. I love this thread, though!-Mike P :wink:

[Supra Bob]

Mike..

No biggie bro :) I'm kinda cranky tonight myself... not feeling real great..
Sorry if I got a bit snippy...

:(

<--- sitting himself in the timeout corner..

[quick]

The interesting thing to me is how much stress affects police. My friend has been working 12-16 hour days every day since the war started (he just left for vacation) and as the stress from lack of sleep, etc mounted it was clear in talking with him how they started being much less lenient with protestors, etc.

It's hard to maintain objectivity, etc when you're stressed and tired -- just like anyone else -- the difference is the amount of power you have.

Being a cop is a big responsibility.

[CarFreek]

Bob-Hey man, it was me-My family thinks its funny, my "enthusiasm" for some topics-Ill buy you a Beverage in Vegas-Ill be the one with Wa State plates and Non-Oe Cupholders- :wink:

[Supra Bob]

Mike..you can buy the first if I can buy the second :)


Chris... All I can say is I know how busy I have been since the war started and how *I* am reacting to the stress... I have total sympathy for anyone else in the States doing Law Enforcement/Homeland Security type jobs... and for our boys and girls in Iraq and Kuwait... I know when our guys come back to base here, a bunch of us are planning on picking up some extra shifts so they can get some free (and much needed I can imagine) downtime...

[quick]

Chris... All I can say is I know how busy I have been since the war started and how *I* am reacting to the stress... I have total sympathy for anyone else in the States doing Law Enforcement/Homeland Security type jobs... and for our boys and girls in Iraq and Kuwait... I know when our guys come back to base here, a bunch of us are planning on picking up some extra shifts so they can get some free (and much needed I can imagine) downtime...

That's cool of you. :) You're an MP, right?

Beer's on me if you make it up to Seattle.

[Supra Bob]

That is correct Chris. Tho in a week or two, I may be workin part time for D.C. Metro Police here on my off time to make some extra cash... And if I make it to Seattle... I most certainly will take you up on that offer!

[quick]

Stay safe. D.C. is rough from what I've read.

[Supra Bob]

Heh... yeah it is... Why ya think they are looking for extra help, are willing to waive the Police academy requirements in lieu of my Military Police experience, and are offering as much money per hour as most departments give to their full time personnel?

[quick]

You're right -- that does sound like a good way to make some green.

In that case you can buy the beer when I make it to D.C. ;)

[Supra Bob]

Done deal! When ya comin out?

[quick]

Done deal! When ya comin out?

Great question. Probably not this year. Perhaps next. I have a couple goals I'd like to meet first.

Don't worry -- I'll make sure to hit you up. :D

[Supra Bob]

Make sure ya do... I may be in Philly by then, but DC is only a short jump down I-95. I'll grab Mikey and we'll come down..

[Supra GTR]

Yeah I was ticketed once by an MP. He had no choice. Lite bird had followed me to the gate and had the Airman stop me. First, the lite bird asked me who I was. Should have fibbed and told him I was Ops and that now that I told him who I was, I had no choice but to call his superior and demote him for interferring with Ops :twisted: But instead told him I was just a plain old civilian. (Then again Ops guys don't make like a 40 ft poster and drive a high profile car.) For some reason the lite bird didn't buy that I was just a plain old civilian. Don't know why. :? Showed him my ID. Don't have any military ID, even though I've been on that base numerous times.

Lite bird then accused me of speeding. I said, "One: You have no jurisdiction on a civilian on civilian highways especially not at peace time. And two: I saw you tailgating my car all through the exit ramp. And three: I was not speeding. I was behind a slower car and you were on my left blocking me in." Then accused me of improper lane change. Wrong. I used my indicators. Always do especially when there's traffic. I think I embarrassed him in front of his subordinates. Not a good thing to do especially when you're on their court. Even had several of my friends passing through the gate "vouch" for me and said they would be responsible for me while I was on base. Lite bird would have none of that. Then he had the Airman issue me a ticket on the only thing the lite bird could find after 20 minutes of looking over my car. I have myself to blame on that one - expired tags. Pulled the car out of winter storage for a little drive and forgot about the tags. After some delay and saluting... (had many people give me the thumbs up for my car). Airman looked at me, shrugged his shoulders and apologized. I shrugged my shoulders and told him I know he had to do his job otherwise the lite bird will write him up for dereliction of duty or insubordination which really does not look good for an MP.

So I get a $10.00 ticket and lose 45 minutes of practice. Lesson: Never piss off a lite bird. Seriously.. make sure your tags and everything are current. Otherwise they have nothing.... Nothing I tell ya. Nothing. :twisted:

[Malloy]

Yea Quick, we are few hrs from DC. Its a quick ride. It would be cool if you came this way, I can show you this beautiful town(lol) called Phila, and even NYC if you are into those things. They are the only 2 cities I know well.

8)

[suprarox85]

cops down here in cen tex arent that bad depending on where your at i try not to speed in city limits cause there is so much open back roads to do that on i am seventeen and i only have one ticket it was for running a flashing red light at 2 in the morning in a city where the cops are dicks all of them i got pulled over bout a month ago and was givin a written warning for going 77 in a 60 the sherrif was cool about it he pulled me over and asked me how fast i was going i told him around 80 he said close i was going 77 he asked me a few more ?s went back to his car came back and gave me a five minute talk bout how i shouldnt be speeding on country roads at night do to the dear and such he gave me a written warning i said thanx a lot my mom would kill me if i got a speeding ticket and he sent me on my way well thats my story i was so glad i didnt get a ticket

[Malloy]

Oh, I have a file in my cabinent labeled 'Police' that is as full as my PNC bank folder....scary but am proud to say that I only paid 2 of them :) The rest I weasled my way out of.

Sheesh.

[Sparky]

Must be nice; I've gotten 3 in the past year (my only three since I got my Supra). The bitch of it is, 2 of them were due to the shop not recalibrating my speedo after they change diffs on me (went from a 4.3 to a 4.1). I found this out after getting pulled over by an OSP officer at 1:00 in the morning while going 65 on cruise control down a country road. I took the car to a different shop (local) and had them look it over and they found (you guessed it) nothing; so the ticket stuck. 4 months later, I get pulled over by another OSP officer for almost the exact same situation (60 indicated, he said I was doing 71). Came to court with valid proof of a miscalibrated speedo that time, but the judge had it out for me (was obvious from the start; he was very "budy-budy" with the officer and actually disrepectful toward me), so that ticket stuck too.... :x

Finally figured out what was wrong and haven't gotten another ticket since (yet, anyway... :? )

[trdmkii]

Yeah if a cop shows up in court your pretty much screwed no matter how much evidence you have. I fought a ticket to the end and lost bad, luckily a small claims lawyer helped me get some sympathy, ticket still stuck but didn't have to pay as much. I know i didn't run that red light.....i think he was showing a rookie how to pull someone over that day.

[quick]

Yea Quick, we are few hrs from DC. Its a quick ride. It would be cool if you came this way, I can show you this beautiful town(lol) called Phila, and even NYC if you are into those things. They are the only 2 cities I know well.

8)

If the shit hits the fan per our conversation I will definitely be visiting.
Par-tay! ;)

[quick]

Two questions:
- What's a lite bird?
- Have you ever read the book "Starship Troopers"? Good shit.

[Supra Bob]

Quick... did you know Starship Troopers is based on what the "percieved society" would be like if the Nazi's had won WWII... with the Nazi's being the humans and the bugs being the "free world?

...I didn't beleive it either when I heard it... still kinda don't... LOL


..the book was good shit none the less.. :lol:

[quick]

Quick... did you know Starship Troopers is based on what the "percieved society" would be like if the Nazi's had won WWII... with the Nazi's being the humans and the bugs being the "free world?

...I didn't beleive it either when I heard it... still kinda don't... LOL


..the book was good shit none the less.. :lol:

That's an utter bullshit comparison IMO. Where did you read it?
Given the military references in the book I thought you might enjoy it. :)

After reading the book my though was: "Officers. :roll:"
;)

[Supra Bob]

Actually...it was this total fruitcake of a teacher I had WAYYYYY back in highschool for a sci-fi lit class...

Give you an idea of the mental stability of this lady... she wore glasses with no glass, got into heated arguements with potted plants and twice during the 4 years I was in that building she was "escorted" from the building by the school counselors and given a manditory month vacation for "Mental Health reasons"...

The worst part is... everything I said is the honest to gods truth too...


Like I said..I still really don't believe it... :wink:

[RWDCelicadude]

I dunno about that Starship Troopers stuff but I just thought I'd say that most cops are pretty cool. Unfortunately there are a few assholes out there that ruin it for everyone else. I have been pulled over to many times and a lot of the times the cops are cool. I got pulled over for doing 92 in a 65 zone in my Legend, it was one in the morning and I'd had it on cruise control for the last hour on an empty freeway. I was honest and told him I was just trying to get home since I had class the next day and we ended up talking about college since I was going where his son wanted to go. He ended up giving me a ticket for 84, which was in the lowest price bracket for a ticket and I completely understood that he was just doing his job. He even told me that I should keep it "reasonable" on the rest of my trip, about another 100 miles. He said that I didn't have to go the speed limit but to keep it sane. Cool guy, I left with a smile and paid my $103 without much fuss. If you speed that's the risk you take. I kept the cruise control to 80 the rest of the way home.

[CarFreek]

Heinlein grew up during a pivotal period in US history-From a farm based isolationist society to a trade based superpower in 20 yrs-Hard to imagine nowadays-He saw the best and worst of authority-IMO-Starship is about 2 things-growth of young people under stress-(Subplots of cultural growth)-and limits to authority/freedom-("Becoming a Citizen")-Heinlein had intimate knowledge of both-served in the Navy in this time period-Great story, no matter what you believe! :lol:

[NiGHTS]

Bob, you never told me you were a law-man! guess I better keep on your good side and be on my best behaviour... :D

*puts plates back on car*
*wipes blood off shirt*

[Supra Bob]

Heh.. NiGHTS.. I'm a law dog in the United States Marine Corps. :lol:

...but in these parts, I tend to be more of a car-guy than a cop.

[NiGHTS]

Ohhh ok! either way...

I still have to salute you right?

*raises hand to head*

:oops:

[turbofreek]

when i was 20 i had a cop write me loud exhaust tickets and a few no seat belts every day i came home from work for over a month!!! :evil: had a 496 big block in a 78 trans am with 4 inch mufflers, it really was loud to. i work nights outta town and when i came home in the mournings he would be waiting at the gas station down the street from my house EVERYDAY like clock work. he was suspended for 6 months and put on probation for it. found out later on it was because, back when he was in high school my uncle beat him up with a padalock in pe class ha ha ha. so had all tickets thrown out by judge, so all you who've been wrong this should make you smile a little :D

[rox0rsmybox0rs]

I've never had a ticket AHAHAHAHAHAA... oh wait im only 16

[Supra Bob]

Ohhh ok! either way...

I still have to salute you right?

*raises hand to head*

:oops:

LOL..please, I work for a living (Translation: I'm not an Officer, so please don't salute :) ) Now, if you wanted to make monetary contributions to show me your gratitude and respect, thats another story :wink: j/k

[NiGHTS]

Oh ok...phew...that's a relief! :)

So I can call you Bob the snob and you wont arrest me or anything?

j/k ;)

I'll stop now...luv ya Bob...you rock! :D

[WadeT]

Quick... did you know Starship Troopers is based on what the "percieved society" would be like if the Nazi's had won WWII... with the Nazi's being the humans and the bugs being the "free world?

...I didn't beleive it either when I heard it... still kinda don't... LOL


..the book was good shit none the less.. :lol:


Never read the book but in the movie the some officers were wearing WWII German SS uniforms with a few slight changes. The Germans did have the best looking uniforms of WWII, IMO.

[Sparky]

This is going to get OT, isn't it?

The book and the movie have very, very little in common (beyond basic plot). The book is an excellent look at a facist society (though the bugs as "the free world"? Weren't they the original aggressors? Just doesn't seem to fit). The movie was, well, classic Verhoven(sp) lots of action, blood, and controversy, but not much else. By the end of the movie, I was left with the impression that these humans (the MI, anyway) are basically to stupid to live! :mad:

Just my $.02

[Sparky]

Oh, and for stories of bad cops getting there "just desserts"...

About 3 years ago, I got pulled over by a cop in a poorly posted park zone for going 28 in a 15. As it turns out (this gets good), I was actually going on a section that wasn't posted (parks are 25 if unposted according to the Oregon Drivers Manual) and that he was sitting radar in front of a clearly marked fire hydrant (red curb and all). Later found out that he had written numberous other BS tickets and was dismissed for it. Turns out he was one of the cops hired under Clinton's plan for increasing law enforcement, and was trying to prove he was worth keeping when funding ended by running up a high ticket count... it was sooooo fun to see him get the boot (because of a 19 year old college student :D )

[dogstar]

just want to say, i have a defining line between cops, and officers of the law.

cops/pigs are the people who deserve no respect because they dont give respect.
officers are the people who are proud to wear a uniform and work hard every day to maintain the honor and integrity of the badge.

i always hope i deal with officers, and ive been lucky to usually get good people, whether im in the wrong, or right.

only thing i can say about quotas... they have em in my area, three relatives who are law enforcement have told me their performance/pay is very much related to their tickets.

[Supra GTR]

QUICK:

Lite bird = Lt. Colonel.