M-EU in America?

[celicasupramteu]

I am wanting to know if there where many M-EU in the mk1 over there in America? Thats the same engine as my mk2 except not forged internals or turbo. Or was the only engine over there that was avaliable for them the 2.6 4-ME?

And where these the only two engines that were avalible in the mk1? Or did they make them with other engines avaliable as well??

And was there much design differences in the mk1 or are they are all the same as one another, lights etc? I have seen many celica with 4 cylinder engine that look like celicasupramk1. But obviously the celicasupra mk1 is 6 cyinder only.

[Chrisfrom1986]

4me, Single cam 2.6 liter; 5me 2.8 liter is all they had. No turbos.

[kdsii]

Engines for USDM MkI Supras:

'79 & '80 - 2.6 liter displacement, model 4M-E, SOHC

'81 - 2.8 liter displacement, model 5M-E, SOHC

That's all we had available.

Other differences:
The most obvious is the exterior side mirrors. The '79 had chrome mirrors mounted on posts sticking up out of the door - much like the forward set mirrors on the JDM cars, only they are on the doors, not the front fenders. The '80 and '81 cars have a black mirror housing positioned very similar to the MkII's - above the forward part of the door.

From the outside, that's about the only difference.

There are a few other minor detail differences in the interior. IIRC power locks were available on either the '80 or '81 (Chris Eng - jump in a correct my info as needed). There is also a difference in the forward part of the center console in the later years.

The '78 to '81 Celicas are the same structurally from the firewall rearward. Many pieces of optional equipment on the celicas are standard on the supra (power versus manual windows, etc). The MkI Supra has a longer nose and a different grille. The front quarter panels are longer on the Supra as well as the chassis in front of the firewall.

[celicasupramteu]

Thanks people...............

That is some good info for me there.

We had some other engines avaliable over here i am not sure if you guys no about them or not?

Here is a picture of mk1 engine bay with the M-EU that i mentioned just before. There is a place to buy and sell things online here in NZ and it is called Trademe. It is basically the same as E-bay over there. That is where i found this pic. Somebody had a mk1 for sale a while ago over here and that was the engine in it.

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o124/JAMES1_027/39025409_full.jpg

I also no that there was a *special edition* model which came out with the same engine as mine the M-TEU. Except the only difference was they never had a intercooler on them back then.

[kdsii]

Is the M-EU a 2.0 liter, in-line six cylinder?

That engine bay looks very similar to the 4M-E in my car (except for the brake booster on the RH side!)

[celicasupramteu]

Is the M-EU a 2.0 liter, in-line six cylinder?

That engine bay looks very similar to the 4M-E in my car (except for the brake booster on the RH side!)

Yes mate the M-EU and the M-TEU are 2.0L 1988cc to be exact. And they are both inline six cylinder. All mk1 Supra engines were inline six cylinder. And in fact all Supra engines were inline six.

[Josh=MK1]

How is the performance with the M-EU and M-TEU's (also what is the difference between them? What kind of HP and torque can you get out of them? 2.6 4-ME 106 hp and the 2.8 5-ME 116 Hp with 135 and 145 lbs torque consecutively. Why this engine? Better fuel milege or performance?
Sorry for the questions, just curious.

[celicasupramteu]

To be honest with you I have know idea what they were thinking when they made the M-TEU because it is a contraption engine. There are things all over the fucken place on them! The M-TEU was Toyotas first attempt at a turbo charged six cylindered engine. They were wanting performance and reasonable fuel economy and they got it. But they are prone to running to hot all of the time especially the earlier non intercooled models thats why there are hardly any left at all now. My one is intercooled factory and it still gets quite hot but no where near as hot as the non-intercooled. I dont drive mine every day because it gets hot going around town and stuff. Basically they are not good for thrashing at all and they will not go for long if you give them grief. They just get to hot. But i still give Toyota full credit for there design with the engine and they did well makeing it all the way back then.

What exactly do you mean by the performance?

When i say about them running to hot I dont mean to the extent where you cant drive them around at all. I just prefer not to use mine all the time. And plus I like to keep everything with it mint. So most of the time i keep it in storage, in the garage. And take it for a drive every now and then. On a hot day i have seen the temperature gauge go up to 3/4s which is quite high. Usually i just go down a hill and she cools back down to normal again. Sometimes after i have given it a we burst ive looked under the bonnet and you could boil eggs in there!

This has the performance figures for them and many other Toyota engines............

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/9975/dataBySubject/GasolineEngines.html

[CJSREDPRA]

Heh.... Stay offline for 4 days & look what happens!!!! :runaway:

Simple way to remember this: ANY of the "U" spec motors (including the M-EU, 4M-EU, 5M-GEU, yadayada), NEVER came to North America. Strictly a JDM thing. If a few motors did come, they came 2nd hand, like the way 6MGE's are imported into North America.

MKI differences. Most everyone here has mentioned the obvious differences. The best way to see the differences, is to look at the .pdf files of the Sales Brochures that are in the Sales Brochure section of celicasupra.com. Only problem is that the 79 MKI & the 86 MKII information is not up. Don't know why. If you really want to see them, you'll need to get on Malloy's case about it (Mike P, aka: CelicaGTS, aka: Beaker, sent Malloy the files quite awhile back & they still have not been uploaded).

Material on the Cloth interiors did change over the years. I have a thread in this section showing the differences, you'll need to search around for it.

kdsii: PDL's were not available in 79. They were available in 80+. Same for Auto A/C.


To be honest with you I have know idea what they were thinking when they made the M-TEU because it is a contraption engine.

Simple: The majority of us pretty much knows about the reasons why many JDM Toyota's came with tiny little motors... RIGHT??? (Those of you who have read about the taxation laws where if you basically had a bigger motor, you were taxed more. Thus 1 of the reasons why Japan offered the GA61 in the MKII & the GA70 on the MKIII w/ the 1G motors). So... Easiest explanation: M-EU motor only made "xx" amount of power & they needed to find a way to get more power out of it. Thus the M-TEU.

[celicasupramteu]

[QUOTE=CJSREDPRA;363495]Heh.... Stay offline for 4 days & look what happens!!!! :runaway:

Thanks for more info, its good that you no a lot about what went on with toyotas over there. I no more about what went on over here and Aus.

It is funny how you say "tiny little motors" remember the M-TEU and 1G-GEU still EASILY go as good as the 2.8 5M-GE!
Again as i have said before.......

I have owned all of them in the past, and I know how well the performance is, and all the ins-outs on them with how they run down to a fine toothcomb!

What is PDL's?

And what are you saying with "U spec motors?" Every engine just about has a "U" in it after the #dash.


#2 - After the Dash:
B - Dual standard carbs (only used on non-twin cam engines, obsolete code)
C - Californian pollution control (also most of the world)
D - Dual carbs but more powerful than -B
E - Electronic Fuel Injection
F - Twin Cam (economy). Narrow Agle, Around 22 degrees between the intake and exhaust valves.
G - Twin Cam (sports/powerful) with multiple sidedraft carbs (unless EFI). Wide Angle, 45 degrees or more between the intake and exhaust valves.
H - Unknown but never combined with -B or -C
I - Single point fuel injection
II - Unknown - possibly denotes L.A.S.R.E (Lightweight Advanced Super Response Engine)
J - Unknown, possibly autochoke, possibly another anti-pollution control
L - Transverse mounted engine (seems to be an obsolete code)
LPG - LPG fuel
M - Phillipines market (details unknown)
P - LPG fuel
R - Low compression for regular (not super or premium) fuel.
S - Swirl intake ports (only a few made in mid '80s)
S - Direct injection & swirl pot pistons (starting from '97/98)
T - Turbocharged
U - Japanese pollution control (introduction of "U"nleaded?), (Engine uses TTC-C, TTC-L or TTC-V).
Z - Supercharged

[SilverMk2]

What is PDL's?

And what are you saying with "U spec motors?" Every engine just about has a "U" in it after the #dash.



PDL is probably power door lock in standard lingo

No US car I've seen has a "u" at the end. We got 5MGE , 7MGE, or 7MGTE and not 5MGEU, 7mGEU, or 7MGTEU. I don't think Toyota uses the "U" anymore.

[Deanfun]

[QUOTE=CJSREDPRA;363495]Heh.... Stay offline for 4 days & look what happens!!!! :runaway:

Thanks for more info, its good that you no a lot about what went on with toyotas over there. I no more about what went on over here and Aus.KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW :duh: :duh: :duh:

[celicasupramteu]

[QUOTE=celicasupramteu;363916]KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW KNOW :duh: :duh: :duh:

Easy there Killer!!!

Are you Mr "spellcheck" now? :new_mofug :ss_ban:

[Deanfun]

Are you Mr "spellcheck" now? :new_mofug :ss_ban:After watching you mispell it in post after post, yes, I am Mr. Spellcheck. :hahano: :zzzzz:

[celicasupramteu]

After watching you mispell it in post after post, yes, I am Mr. Spellcheck. :hahano: :zzzzz:

Who cares to the extent you do? NOBODY!!!:zzzzz:

You are being cheeky now!

If you cant comment positively in my threads you are not welcome to comment at all to me or in my threads.

Do you go and correct everyones spelling errors?

Have you got some sort of problem? Thats with yourself or with me?

Or are you just one :censored: weirdo who doesn't have much to do, I really dont know!!!:screwy: :screwy: ........

[Josh=MK1]

How is the performance with the M-EU and M-TEU's (also what is the difference between them? What kind of HP and torque can you get out of them? 2.6 4-ME 106 hp and the 2.8 5-ME 116 Hp with 135 and 145 lbs torque consecutively. Why this engine? Better fuel milege or performance?
Sorry for the questions, just curious.


So does anyone know what hp and torque you get out of these engines? Perhaps the manual will state that, as the manuals for my '80 and '81 do.

[celicasupramteu]

So does anyone know what hp and torque you get out of these engines? Perhaps the manual will state that, as the manuals for my '80 and '81 do.

Have a look at the link i posted up.

[Josh=MK1]

Duh.... Thanks for pointing that out. And WOW! 145 hp I am impressed! I would never have thought that. I wish we had them but in the same breath as you said they are a contraption, run hot and perhaps don't last, I guess we should still be happy with our 4 and 5-ME.





M-TEU SOHC 2 80-82 1988* 145@5600 156@3000 75 75 7.6:1 no intercooler
M-TE SOHC 2 83-85 1988* 160@5600 170@3000 75 75

[Aeschylus]

Hey dudes, just so you know, that pic of the M-E engine in the red Mk1 is mine - I bought it a couple of months ago and have been restoring it since.

Unfortunately - no, that's not strong enough - frikkin infuriatingly - I've run out of 1)funds, to buy more tools and parts etc. 2)time, I'm a university student and my grades tell me I have to study harder (argh!) - so... yeah, ultimate bummer.... I gotta sell it.

I'll post a thread here (feel free to PM me if there are questions) if and when I get a trademe listing on it up. Damn I love that car....

[celicasupramteu]

Hey dudes, just so you know, that pic of the M-E engine in the red Mk1 is mine - I bought it a couple of months ago and have been restoring it since.

- I've run out of 1)funds, to buy more tools and parts etc. 2)time, I'm a university student and my grades tell me I have to study harder (argh!) - so... yeah, ultimate bummer.... I gotta sell it.

I'll post a thread here (feel free to PM me if there are questions) if and when I get a trademe listing on it up. Damn I love that car....

Hi there man, cool to see you are a member here.

I was interested in that car and thinking of buying it myself. But i have got enough cars now.

What's..... Unfortunately - no, that's not strong enough - frikkin infuriatingly? Can you plz elaborate.

It is in very nice condition, and very rare, so unless you get a decent offer for it say $2000+ i would just keep it if i were you. They are classic cars and the price value will only go up with them as time goes on not down like most other cars. Especially when they are 30-35 years old. If you havn,t got much money why dont you just put it in storage and work on it in the future? They are just getting real hard to get now-days!.... Anyway its a nice mk1.

[Aeschylus]

What's..... Unfortunately - no, that's not strong enough - frikkin infuriatingly? Can you plz elaborate.

I mean, its just difficult to say goodbye to such a car - frikkin infuriatingly difficult...there aren't many around, like you say, and so I don't know if I could get another in the future... I thought to myself recently, well, I could sell this one now (and hope it goes to a good owner) and maybe in a couple of years, I could save a bunch of money and buy another one...


It is in very nice condition, and very rare, so unless you get a decent offer for it say $2000+ i would just keep it if i were you. They are classic cars and the price value will only go up with them as time goes on not down like most other cars. Especially when they are 30-35 years old. If you havn,t got much money why dont you just put it in storage and work on it in the future?

I have been thinking along the same lines myself since yesterday - and I know someone who could store it for me too. If all goes according to plan I'll be graduating next year, and I'll be able to make some money then; so that's not too far away. When I read your post, that gave me further confirmation that to keep it might be the right thing to do - so thanks heaps for that. Cheers.

[spud3861]

I have looked around NZ for a nice Mk1 for a while. No luck. Yours looks original and clean. I would keep it for sure. I think I saw yours for sale a while back like celicasupramteu said, I think I only didn't bid because I wanted a sunroof model.

Cheers
Andy S

[Aeschylus]

I had a 1980 MA45, black, with a sunroof, that I bought on trademe (from Dunedin) around August 2005 - was living in Invercargill at the time. The sunroof is a great thing to have - but on that particular car, it was quite a headache. Major rust had set in in and around the sunroof panel, and the winding mechanism was partially seized. Overall, the car was a bit haggard really - a slapdash painjob, interior mediocre, engine woefully sluggish, boyracer exhaust. I bought it without even seeing it for 500$, managed to bring it up to standard for a WOF, but sold it quite quickly because it seemed like it would cost too much time&money for me to restore, despite there being two wrecked MA45s I could use for parts at the local wreckers yard.

[Aeschylus]

I mean, "slapdash paintjob" not "painjob" - although that kind of makes sense.