Am I the only one !

[valzareh]

Is it me or are we being pushed in2 Learning Spanish . I dont get it !!!
We are in the USA and we speak English .. I just saw a commercial That was saying make our children learn to speak Spanish ... It just Pisses me off.

This is the reasion why it gets on my nerves so bad . I have a little girl thats Half american and Half philino and she.is 13 months now. They have kids Shows like Dora the explora, handy manny just 2 nave a few.

My wife Came to the USA 4 years ago . She had to take a written test and spoken test just to come over to this county ,as well as paied 4 grand just 4 the test . That was with out knowing if they would let her in the USA.

Whats so hard about These people that speak spanish to learn ENGLISH..

Ok i think im better now . This is a pics of my girls
http://photos.friendster.com/photos/82/30/7550328/622782063l.jpg

[socalsupra]

no your absolutely right, this is America and our national language is English. problem is politicians want to make Mexico part of the US and think that we should learn Spanish. America doesn't need or want the problems of Mexico.

[jefe_not]

Yes, you are the only one... ;)

Having a second or third language is handy but no-one is pushing you to do it. Most people don't even understand rap lyrics much less a different language... LOL

[fairon]

There are kids shows, mostly on PBS, that emphasize other languages. Noddy, I know, teaches Russian. Of course, 100 times more kids get exposed to Dora and Diego and other spanish-influenced shows. I agree wholeheartedly that children should be bilingual, I just don't understand, or agree with, the push for Spanish. I live closer to Quebec than I do to Mexico and I don't see any exposure to French. Heck they speak Creole IN THE US and we get very little exposure. Creole's just french ebonics so if you know french you can get by in creole.

Of course, complaining's not going to change anything, become an active parent. Teach your kids... something. Does your wife speak Tagalog? Heck, I know alot of people who speak Tagalog and do you see any of that on TV?

Think, 1/3 of the worlds population speaks Chinese in one form or another. Chinese internet usage is growing rapidly following the Chinese chip making boom of the late nineties. Chinese corporations are starting to outsource TO THE US, not unlike what we've been doing for decades. And I only know maybe 2 or 3 words in Chinese. We've been so screwed up with our foriegn policy for so long we've grown up thinking it's ok to oppress weaker cultures and ignore the ones that don't listen to us.

I'm done ranting now.

[SilverMk2]

...this is America and our national language is English...

Actually we don't have a official national language, even if it is a no-brainer. Everytime they try and bring up as a law it gets shot down.

I didn't even know people spoke english anymore. Everywhere I live its either all Spanish or both with English in little letters underneath.

[Deanfun]

It is just you, and I'll go ahead and call you pretty ignorant for thinking it.

[pdupler]

I often wish I could speak spanish. When I needed some trenching work done, I hired a contractor. White guy in pickup came out and gave me a quote of $800. Same guy showed up with three mexicans in the back of the truck the next day, dropped them off with shovels, gave instructions to one of them in spanish, then drove off. He showed up about six hours later, the mexicans were already done, now relaxing after a hard five and half hours of shovelling, collected his $800, his mexicans and drove off. Now I am thinking to myself, if I spoke spanish, I could have hired the mexicans directly, paid the three of them $15/hour each, about $250 total. I'd have been better off by $550 and I'm quite sure they'd have been better off by $160, thats assuming the white contractor even paid them minimum wage. Of course the ideal situation would have been for the mexicans to learn english. Then they could have blown off the white guy in the truck, started their own company, and charged me the $800 directly. I'd have been in the same boat, but the mexicans would have made a profit of $700, ok well $300 after taxes. The way you SHOULD look at it is, you can either gripe about it, or you can take advantage of the situation. I guarantee you, the politicians all understand that having multiple languages is a situation they can use to exploit both sides. Being fluent in two languages is a serious advantage and I wish I had that advantage. For the requisite supra content, find some mexicans who are very skilled in paint and body work and if you speak their language, you can have a show-quality finish for half the price.

[ABUSEDDOG]

The advantage of speaking two languges is just another step in getting a better job in Canada. Albiet our country has two official languges, If you can speak french in english speaking Canada or english in french speaking Canada, you can get a job with the federal or provincial goverements, that is if your goal is to become a snivil cervant!

You could also toss in some native indian dialects, you'd allmost be guarenteed to make some serious coin for some gov or oil company promoting unision and co-operation between stakeholders and multi juristidictional concerns. Read, people who smooth over property rights, violated by multi - national oil's.

[kvanderlaag]

I don't understand why you American folk seem so threatened and offended by the suggestion that you should, maybe, learn a language that is becoming more and more prominent. I mean, you do live on Mexico's doorstep, and uh...well, one way or the other, they're coming into your country, but that's a whole other can of worms.

It's just a language. It's kind of cool to know more than one. You could really benefit from being able to talk to an extremely large workforce that will work for peanuts, if you really need an excuse. Phil is right.

[valzareh]

Slip
(It is just you, and I'll go ahead and call you pretty ignorant for thinking it)
i see that your in Vancouver, BC, Canada. Be 4 you call people ingorant I would say live here and see what im talking about . Mister Canada so if you go to France and dont speak french what does that give you ? That Means YOUR SH*$ out of luck . Do i need to say any thing more about that .

You can call me what ever you like ! So its ok 4 people that come over the border illegal and get social security that we as Americans have taken out of your pay checks and pay 4 these people. I would not have a problem about it as much if They went through the legal process.

I speek Jap,some Russian,some Spanish,some Portugues,some German and working on Tagalog.

I have worked at car lots that had spanish people walk up with there children so they could speak 4 them . I know places in fl that if you go in that part of town that you better know spanish or you will never get any where . There is a wallmart in fl that has people that only speak Spanish .

I dont see why its so hard to learn english . I know the other countrys in the world Teach English as a mandatory course.

I dont have a problem about learning other languages. Its only that Spanish is being pushed in a lot of areas . What it comes down to is really all about money...

[toyfan]

let me be honest. i know english only and my mandatory french classes were a total waste of my time. having said that in a purely estoteric sense, spanish sounds quite nice. It is almost lyrical, and has a very melodius tone, be glad that the spanish founded modern mexico not the germans...

[supra83mkii]

I speak both English and Spanish, Spanish been my first language and English my second, I have encountered many situations were I use both English and Spanish. I got a good deal on my paint job, because a friend of my little brother told me that his step dad painted cars, so I went to talk to him and he was a really cool guy and gave me a nice price of 350, compared to an average of 1200 for the body shops that I had gone too.

I think being able to speak more than one language is crucial in todays society specially if you live in the bottom half of the U.S were there is a lot of Mexican Americans, and Latin Americans. Even though alot of you may not like the idea of learning Spanish you can't deny the fact that it would be useful and vice versa for people that only speak Spanish should also learn English.

But like my mom who only speaks Spanish she always says "that learning English would be to hard and besides I'm to old already to learn a new language". If I was in any other country and was going to live there for a long time, possibly my whole life I would make and effort to learn the native language so I can both communicate and get along with the locals better.

[pdupler]

i know english only and my mandatory french classes were a total waste of my time.

Amen! I took spanish in high school and even in college. I learned to conjugate verbs with the best in the class. But anybody says anything in vernacular spanish and I catch mabe two out of ten words. Then I can't reply because by the time I've thought of what I want to say, translated it, and conjugated the damn verbs, the person I wanted to talk to has given up and walked away. I can know how an adult Mexican in this country feels when his kids have to translate for him. I've been there on the other side.

Our problem in the US is that we don't teach languages when kids are young and able to pick it up easily. You're vocabulary is pretty well set in stone by the time you are 8 years old and its hard to adapt even new words after that, let alone whole languages. But to give you an idea how much advantage it is, in Plano, Texas, one of the highest income cities in the state, one of the whitest, anglo-saxonist, cities in the state, there is a day-care center that immerses rich, mostly white pre-kindergarten children in foreign languages. People are pre-registering their frozen embryos at this day-care, thats how important that the rich and powerful know that it is that their future fortune 500 kids speak more than just english. I wish I had that opportunity when I was little. Unfortunately, for adults, language CDs only go so far, and I think pretty common to be fearful of taking what I learned on a language CD into the barrio and trying to ask directions.

[valzareh]

Supra83mk2

Thats cool that you speak both . Thats what gets me if your in another country you sould learn how to speak that language .

[supra83mkii]

Supra83mk2

Thats cool that you speak both . Thats what gets me if your in another country you sould learn how to speak that language .

True, but have you thought about how mexicans feel when you don't want to learn spanish and your living in mexico, or if you living in japan but don't want to learn Japaneses, I guess people form other countries feel the same way you do when foreigners don't want to learn the dominate language.

I agree with you that people should try to learn the language of the country they are living in, like me I came to the U.S in 91 I believe or 92, I was automatically placed in bilingual classes that focused more on spanish rather than english, I however did try my best to learn the language and by fourth grade I was placed in english classes only. I think I have learned the english language by now lol, alot of people tell me that I have a small accent and its not that noticeable, and If you look at my picture I look pretty white lol, I'm white skin, blondish/brownish hair, a blondish mustache, and a blondish goat t. People when they first meet me think that I'm white but are very surprised I can speak spanish bettter than them, or when they say something bad about me in spanish and I tell them "what you say fu**er" in spanish.

[Supra GTR]

I spoke Japanese when I was in Japan. I have lost most if not all since I moved to the states some 25+ years ago. English is technically my second/third language. I speak a little Spanish having had classes in high school and college. I have a lot of Spanish speaking friends. I've taught Spanish to illiterate migrant workers, just so that I can teach them English.

Don't get me wrong. I am in favor of a national language - English. And I certainly will try to learn the language of another country if I plan to visit or even work.

What gets me is that the people complaining about other languages in the United States, don't even have a grasp of the English language. :hahano:

[pdupler]

alot of people tell me that I have a small accent and its not that noticeable,

I have a friend from India who actually took classes at college here aimed at eliminating his indian accent. In fact, now he speaks with a pretty darned good Texas drawl and to talk to him on the phone, you'd swear he was a native.

[valzareh]

Supra83mk2

If i where to live in another county i would learn what ever language or languages that i need to live there. Thats the point im trying to make ! If you live in another country other than your own . You should learn or try to learn that Language.

I will be spending my Retirement years in the philippines with a my wife and her family and a house in the city of Cebu and have a beach house some where .

[KesekiSupra]

u kidding? its english that gets pushed on everyone. every country in the world practically understands english, do they understand spanish? probably a few. most other countries from my understanding, teach multiple languages as well, since they have a pretty big smorasboard of ethnicities like us. mainly european countries

edit: btw, u know tagalog is influenced by spanish right? heavily, so im surprised ud say u dont like spanish being pushed on ur little girl, since a lot of it will be the same stuff ur wife is teaching her. im assumming that is

[turbogoo1]

I think every one should have a different language. Is there something wrong with educating yourselves? I want to learn Japanese, just to read and speak it. Why? Just because. And I am still learning spanish from school. There is nothing wrong with keeping up with your studies....that way your mind doesnt go on vacation.

[BuddyJ]

The nice thing about learning Spanish is that it gives you a good grasp on French and Italian too. Learn Mandarin too and you should be able to communicate almost anywhere in the world.

[TorqueMasterJay]

Well hell...I vote we teach all our children Klingon!

[trucker]

some of y'aal are missing the point

it's not about language, at least in the case of the mexicans

it's about respect, or a lack of it, for the country they are in, most likely illegally.

if these guys would make an attempt to assimilate, there would be less resentment towards them

[kvanderlaag]

some of y'aal are missing the point

it's not about language, at least in the case of the mexicans

it's about respect, or a lack of it, for the country they are in, most likely illegally.

if these guys would make an attempt to assimilate, there would be less resentment towards them


Right, because your country historically has a respect for people from other countries and their cultures, whether they're there illegally or no, respectfully or no.

[dirtlord420]

i didnt read all the thread. but i work with mexicans, and i make them learn english. if they cant learn what i am saying i call them stupid and it imbrasses them in front of there friends. it works pretty good. but at the same time am trying to learn spainsh. even tho am spelling and grammer is pretty bad.

[wjanusz]

Right, because your country historically has a respect for people from other countries and their cultures, whether they're there illegally or no, respectfully or no.

This country was made by immigrants. We're all immigrants or descendants of them except for the American Indians. But in the past the immigrants came here legally and learned the language. Now those immigrants are considered americans. All we're asking for is that you come here legally, pay taxes like the rest of us and learn the language.

I think it's great to know as many languages as possible but you should ALWAYS know the language of the place you're living.

[art]

Incase you guys have not noticed there is a spanish influince sunami coming. You can not change what's happining because the U.S is not doing nothing about it to there convenience. Who knows your kids might end up married to a MEXICAN, Ha Ha. Or some one who only speaks a forign language...

[supra83mkii]

Man, this is turning to be about race now, next thing you know you'll be hearing the "n" word or the "s" word. Hell I went through alot of rasicism in my early years of school. I hate reading this kind of garbage in our forum.

[stevrock]

u kidding? its english that gets pushed on everyone. every country in the world practically understands english, do they understand spanish? probably a few. most other countries from my understanding, teach multiple languages as well, since they have a pretty big smorasboard of ethnicities like us. mainly european countries

edit: btw, u know tagalog is influenced by spanish right? heavily, so im surprised ud say u dont like spanish being pushed on ur little girl, since a lot of it will be the same stuff ur wife is teaching her. im assumming that is

Correct, many of the last names that Filipino's have are Spanish.

I think sticking to only one language will only hinder your own oppertunities.
I also have no problem with somebody limiting themselves and their possibilities.

I'm not fluent by any means, mais si je besoin en case d'emergence, je peut utilizes.

Knowing can only help you.

[Deanfun]

I had a big reply typed up citing a few different comments made here, but I don't think it's necessary. There's a bit of racism, stereotyping, and backwards thinking being bantered about, but it's allll good. Take it easy guys :)

[TRD 83 SUPRA XX]

Hahaha I love this!!! By next year the forum is going to be written all in Latin.

[SupraWes]

2 years of foreign language (i.e. Spanish) was required for a HS diploma here in FL when I was there. It was annoying, on the other hand its fun to know what people are saying when they don't think you understand.

[TRD 83 SUPRA XX]

See it does come in handy!

Que no Wes.

[WadeT]

Thank God the am-nasty bill went down! The problem is the government. We've got Bush, Kennedy, McCain, Clinton, Obama, Lott and others working around the clock to undermine the borders, language and culture of the good old USA. But, WE won't have it. In this round, the American people were heard when the am-nasty bill, legalising 20 million illegals went down in flames.

[trucker]

Thank God the am-nasty bill went down! The problem is the government. We've got Bush, Kennedy, McCain, Clinton, Obama, Lott and others working around the clock to undermine the borders, language and culture of the good old USA. But, WE won't have it. In this round, the American people were heard when the am-nasty bill, legalising 20 million illegals went down in flames.



mike church fan?



how come everytime a subject like this comes up, people start crying racism?

what does race have to do with language?

let's be honest here, 99% of us are refering to the mexicans here.nothing wrong with that, it is the 800 lb gorilla sitting in the corner, not racism.

i think what people are having a problem with are the people who come here and refuse to change. a lot of these aliens flat out refuse to learn, and get resentful towards people who won't bend over backwards to learn spanish.

one of the most hated guys i know was a total coconut, didn't know a word of spanish, his mother made him learn english exclusively. i think she took something away from his heritage, but he did point out, that he was an american, not mexican- no need to know spanish over here(in hindsight she may have been wrong about that one)i can't say her thought process was wrong though.

and there a lot of mexicans that may know english, but refuse to speak it, frankly, to avoid responsibility. before some of yall call for my head on that one, go work in a packing house for a couple of years,then get back to me on how you think i'm wrong. it's amazing on how when you try to get themto do something, you are responded to with a blank stare, and a no engles. but be off 14 cents on theiy paycheck, and suddenly they are fluent.i saw this shit happen all day every day for 10 years..

[Supra GTR]

mike church fan?



how come everytime a subject like this comes up, people start crying racism?

what does race have to do with language?

let's be honest here, 99% of us are refering to the mexicans here.nothing wrong with that, it is the 800 lb gorilla sitting in the corner, not racism.

i think what people are having a problem with are the people who come here and refuse to change. a lot of these aliens flat out refuse to learn, and get resentful towards people who won't bend over backwards to learn spanish.

one of the most hated guys i know was a total coconut, didn't know a word of spanish, his mother made him learn english exclusively. i think she took something away from his heritage, but he did point out, that he was an american, not mexican- no need to know spanish over here(in hindsight she may have been wrong about that one)i can't say her thought process was wrong though.

and there a lot of mexicans that may know english, but refuse to speak it, frankly, to avoid responsibility. before some of yall call for my head on that one, go work in a packing house for a couple of years,then get back to me on how you think i'm wrong. it's amazing on how when you try to get themto do something, you are responded to with a blank stare, and a no engles. but be off 14 cents on theiy paycheck, and suddenly they are fluent.i saw this shit happen all day every day for 10 years..

Good points Trucker. Very good points. And I'll throw in religion too - how we must accomodate another religion even though it is unconstitutional to practice the "default" religion.

[trdmkii]

i took 4 yrs of spanish in highschool mainly because it was one of only two languages offered, but i don't get to use it, so since high school i have lost 90 percent of what i knew, i know how to write it and say some words but translating it as someone talks to me is impossible, i dislike that a lot of the mexicans and spanish speaking people do take advantage, just like sammy sosa in the congress meeting a couple years ago, when its convenient to forget english they do, but we are a country that is based on immigration, we can't go around bashing them because our parents or parents parents or family did the same thing. The problem is that as a mainly english speaking country we don't start teaching kids in school another language until too late, every other country that has a school system teaches english along with their native tongue so that they can be competent in a mainly english speaking world, really we should all learn chinese because their going to rule the world soon.

[CarFreek]

Thank God the am-nasty bill went down! The problem is the government. We've got Bush, Kennedy, McCain, Clinton, Obama, Lott and others working around the clock to undermine the borders, language and culture of the good old USA. But, WE won't have it. In this round, the American people were heard when the am-nasty bill, legalising 20 million illegals went down in flames. McCain? Bush? Hmmmm. Both from large Spanish speaking states. Hmmmmm. MEXICO. The 53rd territory. Resistance is futile, it will be Assimilated. Thats how we roll in the good ol USA. Just invade already, insert actual puppet government, and crank up the factories! No more border worries! Spanish as an Official US language! Screw the last 40 years of retreat, Expansion and Manifest Destiny FTW!

[KesekiSupra]

i dont have any kids, so i dont have experience, but are they really forcing spanish upon them? i have yet to see that... when i was in elementary, they had one or two ESL classes, that was all. English speakers didnt go into those classes, so...obviously they werent forced to learn spanish, more like the spanish speakers were forced to learn english. Now i hear that parents are mad that the teachers arent bilingual so they can help teach their kids (since their kids dont speak english either). Not that they are mad cuz they dont want their kids to learn english. Correct me if im wrong, but that sorta makes sense to me, downfall is, theres a massive teacher shortage, so everyone gets put into the same class. spanish and english, but even still, how is that bad, when most highschools only offer spanish as a second language, and u need 2 years to begin with. Would make things pretty easy when the younger kids get into highschool.

[WadeT]

mike church fan?
..

Nope, Mike Savage fan.

[Solo1Supra]

Plain and simple, here is my take on this. You adapt to the country, the country doesn't adapt to you.

[turbogoo1]

Plain and simple, here is my take on this. You adapt to the country, the country doesn't adapt to you.

:stupid: x2

[Austin E]

Plain and simple, here is my take on this. You adapt to the country, the country doesn't adapt to you.


:stupid: x2

:stupid: x3.

[Dave A.]

:stupid: x3.

:stupid: x4


Here's some interesting statistics about illegal immigration that I received from a friend via e-mail.

"Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children.
He takes a job for $5.00 to $6.00 per hour.
At that wage, with six dependants, he pays no income tax, yet at the end
of the year, if he files an income tax return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3200.00 for free. He qualifies for section 8 housing and subsidized rent. He qualifies for food stamps. He qualifies for free (no co-pay, no deductible) healthcare. His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school. He requires bilingual teachers and books. He qualifies for relief from high energy bills. If they are or become, aged, blind, or disabled, they qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare. He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance. Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material. He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00 per hour in benefits. Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 to $6.00 per hour left after paying their bills and his. The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean up. Cheap labor? Yeah right!"


Being the legally disabled American that I am, and provided that this info. is 100% accurate, I find this info. to be quite appalling. Why should an illegal immigrant take precedence over a disabled American citizen when it comes to providing assistance and the essentials required to lead a reasonably normal life? Don't get me wrong. I am very thankful for the assistance that I receive from the American government, but this is for the birds.

[valzareh]

:stupid: x4


Here's some interesting statistics about illegal immigration that I received from a friend via e-mail.

"Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children.
He takes a job for $5.00 to $6.00 per hour.
At that wage, with six dependants, he pays no income tax, yet at the end
of the year, if he files an income tax return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3200.00 for free. He qualifies for section 8 housing and subsidized rent. He qualifies for food stamps. He qualifies for free (no co-pay, no deductible) healthcare. His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school. He requires bilingual teachers and books. He qualifies for relief from high energy bills. If they are or become, aged, blind, or disabled, they qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare. He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance. Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material. He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00 per hour in benefits. Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 to $6.00 per hour left after paying their bills and his. The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean up. Cheap labor? Yeah right!"


Being the legally disabled American that I am, and provided that this info. is 100% accurate, I find this info. to be quite appalling. Why should an illegal immigrant take precedence over a disabled American citizen when it comes to providing assistance and the essentials required to lead a reasonably normal life? Don't get me wrong. I am very thankful for the assistance that I receive from the American government, but this is for the birds.



:stupid: +5

[doug82supra]

Dave, that's not accurate information.

[supra83mkii]

:stupid: x4



Being the legally disabled American that I am, and provided that this info. is 100% accurate, I find this info. to be quite appalling. Why should an illegal immigrant take precedence over a disabled American citizen when it comes to providing assistance and the essentials required to lead a reasonably normal life? Don't get me wrong. I am very thankful for the assistance that I receive from the American government, but this is for the birds.

Dave, I don't know if that info is right or wrong. I came to this country because my father was here in the U.S. I came here around 91 or 92 with my mom, we entered this country illegally, while we were here I went to school, my father worked as gardener and took care of us. We however did not recevied any goverment assistance, no food stamps, medicare/medecaid, etc. When my dad left us my mother did apply for food stamps, she also started working cleaning this lady house she met in the hospital, she was getting paid about 30-40 dollars a week. So my mom got 200 dollars worth of food stamps a month, for me and my little brother.

From the money that she had saved, she paid a 2,000 dollar fee for being here illegally, then she hired a lawyer, so she could be a residential alien. After she had her residential card she got a job in a restaurant, and her food stamps were taken away. So after working for 2 or so years she paid my fee for been here illegally, 4,000 dollars, and also got lawyer. After about a year, I went to get my citizenship, I was very happy that day in Jan of 2000 that I had become a citizen of this great country.
I have always received free lunch when I was in school, because my family is considered low income, as of now we live in governmet housing and pay $511 of rent every month, thats high for EP, you can get a reg 2bedroom for about the same. We only recevied food stamps for about 1 1/2 years or so.

[supra83mkii]

Dave I don't think my family had that easy, that and the fact my dad was an asshole, don't know if you guys understand what I mean by that but I don't want to get into that right now it would just piss me off. I however do see the point your trying to illustrate, there is alot of that going around where I live.
For ex their quite alot of ppl that pay about 50-250 of rent and they receive food stamps, wic, tanaf, etc. And some of these ppl don't even work, they get by because the government pretty much pays for everything. And alot of the ppl here don't have insurance on their cars. And theres alot of wanabe cholos(gang bangers). Also not all the ppl here are hispanics/mexicans, their are also caucasian/white, and african amercans, but more mexicans.



P.s. I'm sorry I couldn't include your whole quote. I'm using my Nintendo Wii because my comp died, also on the wii you can't put alot of words, and that is why I double posted as well

[CarFreek]

Dont you need a Social Security # to file taxes? How do you take advantage of all that, if you dont have a Soc(IE, illegal)? I think your buddy is way off, Dave.

[supra83mkii]

Dont you need a Social Security # to file taxes? How do you take advantage of all that, if you dont have a Soc(IE, illegal)? I think your buddy is way off, Dave.

Actually illegals can get a tax id that works similar to your social sec #, I however don't know the specifics on how it actually works.

[SupraGuy31]

Im here in El Paso and Its tough for US Citizens to even gets Jobs. I dont have a Problem with the Borders being open and yes Mexican Nationals come across the borders, work all week day in and day out, Get Decent Pay checks and then go back across the Border and not have to pay taxes on anything they make. Problem I see and I have talked to Jesus (supra83mkii) about it is that People that are US Citizens and live in El paso have one hell of a time finding Jobs. Basically if you dont speak Spanish then you arent going to get Hired. My wife Applied for like 10 Difference Jobs here and she is a Medical Assistant, The only reason that she got Hired at one Place was because she did her Internship there. Every place that she Applied at asked if she was Bi-Lingual. Unfortunally she doesnt Speak Spanish so she didnt get Hired.

I Kinda get upset when Im in the Drivers license office and a Lady comes in. She walks up to the counter and Pulls a number like everyone else does. Problem is that when the Next number is called she walks up there and stands. The lady behind the counter tells her in Spanish that its not her turn and her number hasnt been called. When I got up there, I had to ask and the lady told me that she was here Applying for a Drivers License but didnt speak a word of English. She couldnt even read the Numbers on the pull ticket that everyone had. I asked it that was Possible for her to get a License and she told me that in El Paso, Its not Manditory for you to Speak English to get a License here. Hell, Even in the School systems are the Same. My Kids Bus Drivers Doesnt Speak English. They have to have Bus Monitors ride with them daily just so the Kids can talk to him and make sure there isnt any Problems on the Bus. Do I agree with it???? I would think that if you are working in the Public you Should Speak the Language of the Country that you are in. Jobs here are Impossible to get do to the Spanish/English Barrier.

Me Myself, Im Native American Indian and I speak my Own Language which is totally Different and most cant understand it unless you came from my Tribe or you are Fimiliar with Indian Culture. I would never be Racist to anyone as I have lived on Reservations and live in the Poorist of conditions. I HATE CASINOS on indian Reservation and If I could I would burn them all down. Yes they give my People Jobs but what most forget or dont Know is that the State takes 93% of total Earnings and the rest is given to the Reservation to live by. Land is becoming Smaller every year and Medical care has never been worth a Shit. Anyways...... So do I agree with having to Speak a Different language to live by and Work By???? NO, but learning it isnt a bad thing also.

[supra83mkii]

I know what you mean Robert, I know 2 guys that work here and live in juarez. Over there the average pay is about 700 pesos a week which is about 70 dollars, if you work here full time and get about 240 a week over there its like 3 weeks pay in one week. They don't have to pay taxes at all which is bothersome and 1 of them is a US citizen, he only does it because he saves more money.
Well, also another thing I don't like is that if you live over there and buy anything here that you have to pay sales tax they can at the end of the year get all their sales tax back by saving your receits, I don't think thats right because I know some ppl that have relatives in juarez and they save all their receits and get all the tax back by having their relatives fill out the paperwork.
I also know some ppl that have their car registered as a fronteriso which is a car that can be both in mexico and the US, and they do this so they get a big brake on their insurance, and 2 of them don't even have insurance. Most of the mexican cars that cross the border don't have insurance thats why I stay far away from them when I see their Chihuahua license plate, I'm sure Robert stays clear from them too.

[KesekiSupra]

you know, honestly, i see it as bettering urself. If you lost a job to another person that had one more degree or certificate or watever, would you cry cuz its not fair? you shouldnt need that extra bit? no, ud go out and better urself, so why cry if u lose a job to a bi-lingual speaker. go out and better urself. simple as that. its just easier to find a scapegoat when it comes to language ey.

[SupraGuy31]

I dont think it really has anything to do with weather you have a College Degree or you are straight out of H.S. Person that took my Wifes job had the same Degree and the wife had more Experience but Just because she didnt speak spanish and the other lady was Fluent the other lady started getting more Hours and eventually got my Wifes Job. Problem Im seeing and Im sure it happens everywhere but here its more Noticeable is that Minimum wage here is something like 6.25 an Hour, People that come across the Border are willing to work for 3 to 4 Dollars and Hour doing the same type labor and Not complaining. Hell any employer would take someone willing to work for cheaper Wages. Main Problem with that is here its overwhelming and you dont have a Choice but to either go back to school and learn the Language which for some people is almost Impossible or you take whatever Job are out there even with a Degree and its not in your Degree field.... IE working at McDonald, Burger King or a Super Market.

[jefe_not]

I still don't get how they can have a legal job in the State, get a W2 in the Sate, and not have to pay taxes... Somethin's not quite right there...

[CarFreek]

Im still confused, also.

[Dave A.]

I'm still a bit confused also, but I have a gut feeling that a lot of the illegalities stem from the employers who hire the illegals in the first place. Way too many loopholes!!

Just the other day, I saw a large crew of Mexican workers put down their shovels and run like h--- when someone driving a INS van showed up on the construction site.

I have no idea just how accurate the info. is that I received in the e-mail that was forwarded to me by a friend. I have no relations to the person who actually wrote the statement, but the info. sure made me think about what a screwed up employment and social security system we have (or may have) here in the US.

[supra83mkii]

Robert minimum wage was until recently 5.15 and with the bill to increase minimum wage, it has gone up to 5.85 here in El Paso, don't take this the wrong way, just making sure the info is correct. :)

Carfreek and Jefe_not, there is a tax id that is provided to illegal immigrants that works the same as a SS number. It is used exactly the same as your SS number, it also takes away SSI tax, income tax, etc. Thats how illegals are able to file income tax returns. Another thing is that some employers don't report their employees, so they just pay their illegal immigrants with cash. Also some illegals use other ppls SS numbers. Is there alot of hispanics were you guys live.

[SupraGuy31]

Its all good Jesus. I dont take anything the wrong way. I ask the Wife and that is what was Given... Anyways Its pretty tough here as all of you can see living right next to the Border country Knowing that the Quality of Living here is much better than it is there. I guess they look at it this way.

They can come into the United States and make 3x or 4x as much money a week as they would in there own Countries but then everyday go back to there country knowing that they dont have to pay taxes on anything that they make. Alot of People here are Paid under the Table. That way the Employers wont have to report them and less coming out of his Pocket. Its just tough for People who reside here that are trying to make a living and trying to find a Job that will pay there rent, Elec, Water etc etc.... Its especially hard for the Construction workers here as most people that come across the Border from what Ive seen are very good at Building, Laying Foundations and all. Hell, Matter of fact, these same People are the ones that come on Fort Bliss and Build all the New Building, Barracks for the Single Soldiers, Dining Facilities and anything else that needs to be Built. They do just as good as a Legal Citizen would do but at a lot less Pay.

Robert

[SupraGuy31]

P.s. I'm sorry I couldn't include your whole quote. I'm using my Nintendo Wii because my comp died, also on the wii you can't put alot of words, and that is why I double posted as well[/QUOTE]

Jesus, Get that Darn computer over to the Crib so I can fix it for ya. Nothing but a Thing as you know what is what I do also.

Robert

[supraman]

Let's see how it gets once the NAU is formed and the NAFTA Superhighway is running through your backyard.

[supra83mkii]

P.s. I'm sorry I couldn't include your whole quote. I'm using my Nintendo Wii because my comp died, also on the wii you can't put alot of words, and that is why I double posted as well

Jesus, Get that Darn computer over to the Crib so I can fix it for ya. Nothing but a Thing as you know what is what I do also.

Robert


Robert thanks, I don't know whats wrong with it, 1st the comp doesn't turn on, its stays as if it was in hibernation mode, so I think it may be the power supply unit. But before that it used to have a random freeze I couldn't figure out what caused it. I'll give you a call one of these days.

P.S. Hey how you've been, is your back feeling better. I went to epcc and took my test and I have to go to orientation on Aug 9th, wish me luck I did pretty good on my essay 7 out of a 8, and on my reading and algebra too, to bad I didn't do that good on my college level math test.

Jesus