MS is so F up

[valzareh]

This is what happend to my mechanic this past fri..

He was taking his Girl friend to her new job in ms . They where in my 95 honda Accord 4d EX. Some truck ran them off the road by hitting there drivers door pushing them in2 some of thoes construction barrels. IT did some light body damage to the car . They started to chase down that truck that him them when a cop comes up and makes them pull over. The officer said they pulled them over 4 erratic driving . They told them how the truck had hit them and how they where trying to catch up with it so they could get the license number .

The officer told them that he did not see it and asked 4 there License, insurance and restoration. My friend Told him the truck was getting away and they need that trucks License number. The officer again said that he need there info and would do nothing about the truck hitting them . The office then asked to search the car. My firend told him he could search the car after he got that trucks License number.

The officer told him to move and started to searh the car. His girl friend has a pinching nerve in her back and has doctor prescribed meds in her purse. Mister officer asked if these belonged 2 her . (Her name is on the Bottle)
She told him that they where hers . He arrested my friend 4 a DUI and her 4
public intoxication and having drugs.

It gets better . They take them in 2 there holding tanks. My friend Was put in with this kid that was in 4 for have sex with a minor. This kid was 19 and it was his girlfriend that was 2 years younger than he was. The father walked in on them .Then had him put in jail. The kid is freaking out in jail about being put in the general population in the jail. Tells my friend all this and how he just wants to go to the hospital insted of being put in the jails Poplation and how they would kill him in there. This kid pulls out a knife that he had in is pocket.(my friend and the kid where never searched) The kid Slits his wrist from the Wrist up. My friend freaks and calls 4 the gards . The Gards and the on duty medic to shut the F$#@ up . He keeps calling the gards and the medic and they dont come .. The Kid bled out with blood all over his jeans and a pool in the floor. The kid lost consciousness be4 the gards came to stop the yelling . The on duty medic checks the kid out and his eyes went wide while looking at the officer and picks up the kid and takes him out of the cell.

The police call and check out where my friend is from and trys to find a way to put all this on him . The police ask my friend what happened . They keep him and his girl friend in jail 4 forty eight hours be4 letting them out on bail. His girl firend tried to make a ph call when they frist got in and they hung up the ph because of who she was calling to get her out..

They got out and told me what happend and now they found out that that kid has passed away.

How is that 4 a weekend .

[kvanderlaag]

I love my country. Holy shit.

[Yotaholic]

Thats Fucked !!! To serve and Protect .....WTF !!

[jefe_not]

Find the kid's relatives, be part of the solution - in this case a law suit. I don't like lawyers too much but that's just wrong...

[valzareh]

Jefe_not

Thats what im trying to do now . Im talking with my friends girlfriend and where working on it with a Lawyer . Where still having trubble gettting the kids name. My brother works at that jail right now untill his sheriff and SWAT training is over with .. He told me that the officer working that night does not give a SH*! about the people that are in his jail . He is going to try and get the kids name to me ..

You know when i was 19 i was datting people that where a year or 2 younger than i was .. I was thinking that could have happend to alot of us at that age.

[Supra_Newfie]

That's just messed up!! WTF is the world coming to?? Damn.

Hope you get that ass out of there!! That's just not right!!

Grant

[TorqueMasterJay]

That royally sucks. Im going to be honest though...Im not surprised at all. Typical cop behavior. And people wonder why I dont have respect for law enforcement. One more for my "Why I dont like cops" book. If you can, if the story ever gets to the public, please post the article here. Id love to see how the cops are going to cover this one up.

[rabidchimp.com]

Wow, absolutely absurd. We all hope it works out for you and your friends.
-Aaron

[SlapFunkWarrior]

I love my country. Holy shit.

A-f'n-men man.... i love Canada.

[trucker]

if you drive drunk, you go to jail

if you fuck underage girls, you go to jail

explain to me how any of this was the cops fault?

yes they should have searched the kid brfore they tossed him in the tank, but the kid slit his own wrist here

guards hear guys yelling in the cells all the time, it was a case of the boy calling wolf too many times.



reading your story, sounds like youor buddy was a drunk asshole, who tried to blame his behavior on the truck...more likely the driver blew in the call to the cops on him

[dirtlord420]

that is messed up. i wouldnt be suprised if somthing like that would happen here tho.

[wonderwhy]

if you drive drunk, you go to jail

if you fuck underage girls, you go to jail

explain to me how any of this was the cops fault?

yes they should have searched the kid brfore they tossed him in the tank, but the kid slit his own wrist here

guards hear guys yelling in the cells all the time, it was a case of the boy calling wolf too many times.



reading your story, sounds like youor buddy was a drunk asshole, who tried to blame his behavior on the truck...more likely the driver blew in the call to the cops on him

:wtf: From what I read above, it appears that he was not drinking at all...
What I read says:
This is what happend to my mechanic this past fri..

He was taking his Girl friend to her new job in ms . They where in my 95 honda Accord 4d EX. Some truck ran them off the road by hitting there drivers door pushing them in2 some of thoes construction barrels. IT did some light body damage to the car . They started to chase down that truck that him them when a cop comes up and makes them pull over. The officer said they pulled them over 4 erratic driving . They told them how the truck had hit them and how they where trying to catch up with it so they could get the license number.
If that makes his mechanic a drunk a**hole, the human race has fallen very far indeed. :faint:

[trucker]

you missed the part where he was arrested for dui, and her for public intox?

or thr part where he didn't comply with the cops orders?

or the part where they were driving like idiots tring to get the guy'splate?

sounds like a drunk asshole to me

[kvanderlaag]

Sounded to me, from the story, that they were arrested for DUI on grounds of 'erratic driving' not 'being drunk.' That doesn't sound like a DUI to me.

I'm glad people like you put your faith in a system that leaves itself wide open for this kind of abuse of power, though.

[socalsupra]

one day trucker your day will come with a bad cop. lets see your faith in a communist government then. who polices the police

[trucker]

i'd bet pretty good money we aren't hearing the whole story, after all this is his buddy we are talking about

but lets see, he gets hit by truck, allegedly, its a statistical fact 89% of car truck accidents are the cars fault, and only minor damage?

they drive like maniacs, tring to catch up to this truck, being reckless enough to get pulled over

they are beligerent to the cop when he want's to search their car.

they get arrested for being drunk


yeah they sound abused by the system to me

bet running off the road had nothing to do with a truck, they were using a story to explain away what they really did to the car, that would be why the cop blew that truck thing off, people use that excuse all the time


how about some pics of the side of this car where he allegedly got hit? no way that is only slight damage, i see these accidents every day.

he didn't see the name on the truck, or those big bold tractor/trailer numbers on the side of it? instead he has to drive "erraticaly" to catch those little plate numbers?


come on, even this guys version of the story makes the drunk guy look bad

[trucker]

one day trucker your day will come with a bad cop. lets see your faith in a communist government then. who polices the police




sounds like a bunch of kids who would rather blame someone, anyone other than themselves for their behavior

i come in contact woth those bad cops all the time, and have spent a shitload of money doing it......

most of them are in your state...

[socalsupra]

no shit about kalifornia though. for the most part, other than cali, respect a cop and he will respect you. iv had cops pull me over in Minnesota for going 95 mph in a 65 and i said i was wrong i shouldn't have been speeding and he let me off with a warning. cops here in Kali pull me over going 67 in a 65 and trip on my radar detector. i try to respectfully explain my constitutional right to receive radio waves of any kind and that pisses them off more.

[valzareh]

trucker

My friend Was not drinking or Drunk. They did not test him at all .. It was the
prescription drugs that where found in the car.That was what they where going with. The place where the car was hit is in a construction zone. The road is a 3 lane that was merging in2 a 2-lane . This happend at night and the car is a black 95 Honda accord ex. My friend was going the speed limit and was in the lane where the truck wanted to go .
I Dont know if it happens to you where some big Rig, Large Truck, Pulls in on you and you have to hit the breaksor move over to get out of the way.
The cop Must have seen the car from a distance by watching the lights of the car .(NIGHT)

There is a Large Tire mark and rim mark on the drivers door from the Truck.
I can get the pics as soon as go to his house and get them.

And this is the same place where the Kid Died in the Jail cell.....

[RaptorRacing]

Where the frick is MS??

I thought I was about to read a story on how f'd up megasquirt is :confused:

[valzareh]

Raptorracing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map_of_Mississippi_highlighting_DeSoto_Count y.svg

[trucker]

i will concede that if there is tire mark there could have been a truck involved.


sounds like your friend was driving in the trucks blind spot, and the driver never knew he was there, possibly your friend was passing on the right?

however this does not excuse your friends behavior as you have described it.

no test does not necessarily mean either one of them was sober , but they will likely get off in court, that is what courts are for

i have already said the kid who should have died should have been searched.
but he comitted suicide, plain and simple, he didn't want to own up to what he did.he raped a girl, wether it's statutatory or otherwise, he put his dick where he shouldn't have and got caught, it's on him, you can't blame that on the cops

2 years ago i lost a good friend to a jail tragedy, he was beathen to a pulp by jail personel, and then hung....they claimed suicide, it was bs, and of course nothing came of it...but you know what? his being there was his own damn fault

[valzareh]

Trucker

The father walked on the 2 while they where doing it !


That could have happend to me when i was his age .. The thing about this kid ,was that he was freaking out and was just wanting to go to the hospital so he would not be put in the general population .. The Kid would still be here if the Officers would have done there jobs right ..

[trucker]

would it be any less illegal if her father hadn't walked in?


you are missing the point on this one, rape is rape, he knew it was illegal, he did it anyway

if he was man enough to screw his ungerage girl, he should have been man enough to accept the consequences of his actions, apparently, he wasn't


what part of what he did do you care to defend?rapeis rape

i wouldn't have bothered calling the cops untill after the blood was finished pooling under his twitching body, dude was luck to be in ms, he wouuldn't have had to commit suicide in tx

[stevrock]

Must be the heat...

[valzareh]

The the consent age in ms is 16 teen .. So im guessing the dad knew some1.

Ok In tn its 18 teen .. so if you where datting a girl that was 17 teen and you where 18teen . Who is in the wrong ? Its really the parents that make that call.

I think the Law on this subject about when your old enough 2 have sex and know what your doing has to many Holes.. This Law started SO many years ago that its hard to know what to do with it ..
If i rember right this Law was started 4 the old pervs that where having sex with children that had not hit puberty yet . (Know Hair down there and groth up top)

I started having sex when i was 12 and 1/2 !

[TorqueMasterJay]

Trucker...yer a turd, man! There is 2 years difference between the two. Their story could very well been childhood friends whom had grown emotionally together. Their love very well could have been genuine and very possibly had plans for a wedding. To blindly call it rape because of technicalities imposed by a law aimed to protect minors from sexual predators, not two young people in love from an oblivious fathers wrath is just wrong. Your rant is nothing more than the ramblings of a man who sees things in only one perspective...like a horse with blinders, you only see strait ahead. That boy was so scared of being put in with the population because the title given to him by his so called crime and decided that he would rather die than be gang raped. His cries for help fell on deaf ears, so now he is dead. So you are telling me, his punishment suited his crime? Im glad you are not a judge. As for the cop being a dick and arresting dude for getting hit by a truck and wanting to catch him...damn dude! Going back to the bit about wearing blinders. You are just as perceptive as that stupid cop. Ill tell ya what that cop saw. An angry man he could push around and get brownie points from his superiors along with a story to tell to his cop buddies and laugh while they eat their donuts. For your information, That area is notorious for their brutal treatment of their citizens. I was watching the news no more than an hour ago where a jail in Mississippi was being questioned about the 1400 deaths they had in their facility...THAT YEAR! The suicide count in that same jail was 502. They have been caught on tape torturing people...holding down a drunk woman while another pries open her eyes and directly injects pepper spay in them. One black man was beaten and strangled there. They made it look like a suicide and their autopsy tech confirmed it. The family on the other hand payed $9k for an autopsy by an outside of the ring of terror and he found the mans ribs were broken, liver ruptured, he had electrical burns all over his body from a stun gun and finally, he was strangled. You can go on believing our judicial system is flawless and righteous, but as a man with a functioning brain and my own mind, Ill go on believing the things I SEE, not told. I will not believe in this corrupt system because Im told to. I will however keep bashing it until someone decides to pull their head outa their ass and fix it. So go swing your righteous gavel somewhere else.

[Rich64N]

I have no opinion as to the accuracy of your hearsay report, but it matches other case of corruption in MS that I’ve heard of lately.

Cory Maye (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Maye) – no longer on death row, but it took lots of outside attention (outside the state) to get him off. IMHO he should be free. Radley Balko at Reason Magazine (and formerly of Cato Inst) brought this travesty to the rest of the country’s attention. Cops did a no-knock raid on a wrong address in a bad neighborhood, Cory Maye, with his infant daughter, shot back, killing a cop invading his house (repeat, no-knock) – put on death row (cop killed was son of the local elected sheriff) .

Dem Party in Noxubee County (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1449254) disenfranchising Whites, making major efforts to make sure whites don’t vote.

And how about Genarlow Wilson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genarlow_Wilson) in GA? 17 year old in Georgia sent to prison and labeled a sex offender for getting a blow job from a 15 year old? The Court of Appeals just voided his sentence, but the prosecutors stated they need to assess the decision. WTF? I think the prosecutors need a new job, just like Nifong in Durham, NC.

And let us not forget jury shopping in MS (and AL) on class-action lawsuits, which managed to drive all the local pharmacies out of business (there has to be a local tie-in) while making the lawyers rich.

What, your local news hasn’t covered these travesties of justice? Really, the answer is that no one gives a hoot about local rural stuff. If you don’t like it, move.

But I forget, in Justice Scalia’s World ™ the Police are always the ultimate professionals (this is referring to a Supreme Court case last year).

BTW, if one of them had, in today’s “myspace world” decided to take a picture, that is a Federal Offense, producing child pornography (thanks to the ex-Congressman Tom Foley from Ft Lauderdale, who resigned over the Congressional page scandal).

YES, this can happen here. And just to show it isn’t just a southern issue, how about the current cop scandals in Chicago (http://www.theagitator.com/archives/027981.php) ? Or the false voters in Seattle (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003806904_webvotefraud26m.html) ? Or Florida (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/opinion/sfl-editnbvoterfraudpnjul28,0,6231104.story)? And so on. Just never assume authority always is right, and authority always wins. Be part of the solution.

Hoipefuly this link will work – Mississippi goddam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckarOiWLLtY)by Nina Simmone


BTW: I do not believe in Black helicopters – LOL. And I do have Federal Apprehension rights for a few more years.

[trucker]

jay....bullshit

i don't care how you justify it in your mind

you want to call me a turd ovet this?

you think i have limited perspective?

you are right..i am a father of 2 girls

one of whom has been raped

please don't be one of those peope that try to justify bad behavior with some liberal bull or try to inform me on the "spirit" of the law.i am a little smarter than that.
if they were childhood friends, it dosen't change their age
if they were planning on getting married, it disent change their age.

to compare me with that cop is shitty on your part.

i really have a problem with people like you who find it necessary to blame a system for an individuals failings as a member os society. the kid is dead because he was too chickenshit to face reality, end of story, yes he should have been searched, yes someone should have heard his "cries for help", but bottom line is, he took the knife to his own wrist i have no respect or sympathy for someone who takes the easy way out, who eliminates a temporary problem with a permanant solution.

lets say the age of consent is 16 in ms....he goes to jail, goes on trial, and then he gets off, because you can't exactly change the ages of the people involved, can you?

he wasn't man enough to deal with reality, end of story


look at the niphong thing you pointed out, if i recall, they were declared innocent were they not? they dealt with what they had to do, and didn't go killing themselves because they were afraid, they stood their ground, and fought, and won.

and as far as the corrouption in jails goes, it's sad, but a reality of life.

as i have already said, i have had a friend beaten and killed by bad cops i the system, in a jail cell, and a staged suicide, like the one you described....this kind of thing has touched my life first hand, in a very personal way, it's not something i saw on the news or read on the internet, or in a paper yet i will still defend the system, he didn't end up in jail for singing too loud in chior.



don't you dare challenge my perspective on anything

[1suprafan]

valzerth to clear one point on tennessee law is that tennessee allows for a 4 year window for consentual sex. Which means some one who is 18 will not go to jail for having sex with somone who is 17.

Next point maybe your friend isn't telling you everything because a cop who has no other reasonable suspicion other than perscribed drugs in his girl friends purse doesn't generally get arrested for DUI. The courts are very clear on the Standardized Field Sobriety Tests that must be adminstered before arresting someone for DUI. Also if a passenger is in the vehicle and behaving I have never seen someone go to jail for Public Intox.

My last point is learn how to spell it would aid you greatly in having other people take you seriously. Not trying to offend you just trying to give constructive aid.

[walkerhiboost]

He had every right to tell the cop that he was not allowed to search the car. Warrant or Probably Cause, such as a hit from a drug dog, will be the only way to search. BTW, a warrant is a must for any locked compartments such as a glovebox and trunk. Stand your ground if BS is called. If more issues arise, always ask to speak to a supervisor.

Just remember, always report any wrongdoing by local police to the FBI. There is an office in Memphis and a RA out of the Jackson office in Southhaven.

[lechner]

Trucker, in my many years on this forum I have read a lot of bullshit opinions. For the most part, I stay out of these discussions. But you, sir, when the Asshole of All My Years On This Forum Award. Do you have any idea how ignorant some of your comments here sound.

i will concede that if there is tire mark there could have been a truck involved....

i have already said the kid who should have died should have been searched.
but he comitted suicide, plain and simple,
Could, should, those are your ignorant choice of words. It's clear to me that you got started on this discussion because a big truck was involved, and you blindly defend all truckers as if none ever do anything wrong. But then it took another turn. Any psychologist will tell you a guy blindly and inappropriately on the defensive feels guilty for something he did or failed to do. I think you feel a great deal of guilt for not taking up the fight for your friend who died wrongly in jail. You are now responding to this guilt by trying to convince others to make the same mistake so you won't be alone in it. Then, you are trying to defend your choice to let that situation go by blaming your friend for being in jail in the first place. This is not the right way to deal with your guilt. I urge you to seek professional help.

Valzareh, if you haven't yet, please contact the media, both local to that area and nationally since the local media is unlikely to run any story unpopular with the local good ole boys network. The circumstances of this boys death, and particularly an interview with his cellmate at the time, are worthy of national media attention. This is often the only way to truly get justice in these backwoods communities. Somewhere there is a set of parents mourning the loss of their scared 19 year old child. He didn't deserve to die like that. I guarantee you he isn't the first to die like that there, and if nobody takes the time to do anything about it he won't be the last. Please do what you can to help right this wrong.

[1suprafan]

lechner you are getting onto trucker by saying he blindly defends all truckers as if they have done nothing wrong, on the flipped side it is no different than when someone has a bad encounter with cop saying that all the cops are assholes and on power trips. What is the difference.

[valzareh]

1suprafan

I do tend to speed type so if i miss things thats cool with me .. I dont have time to go back and check every thing.

Weather he is my friend or not ,i look and listen to what happend and look at what evidence is there . My firend is in his late 40's and is not much of a drinker.

IF the media pics it up i will let you guys know . I do know that my friend is Getitng a lawyer to take care of this crap. The Lawyer does know about what happend in the jail and he is working on getting the kids name to get some justice and help out the kids family.

[dirtlord420]

so did that dude die?

[TorqueMasterJay]

so did that dude die?

Yes. Go back and read it a little better.

[lechner]

I'd have to agree with you, Larry, at least slightly. Most people who choose to drive a truck for a living are courteous and extremely careful drivers, but not all and even the best have a bad day. Similarly, most people who choose to spend their life as a prison guard, and many in law enforcement, are power-tripping bullies looking for the one spot in society where they can get away with being such assholes to people, but not all. I know several cops who actually do believe that their job is to serve and protect, who realize that they are civil servants who work for us and have been entrusted with the authority necessary to do their job, and I like and get along well with these guys. And when I encounter an officer I don't know, I always initially give him the benefit of the doubt that he is one of the good ones and I urge others to do the same. It is ignorant and racist to judge any man you don't know by his job or any other single factor, whether your judgment is positive or negative, it is still judgment.

[doug82supra]

Media would be a good start. You wouldn't be surprised at how difficult it is to find an appropriate outlet in the law enforcement or judicial structure to complain to about misconduct. I have been so close to trying to lodge complaints about injustices that I've heard about in my small community, but you run a risk trying to do that. My wife translates in the court part time, and some Spanish speakers tell her in confidence that they've already paid the cop several hundred dollars....the judge ignores it. Our friend was also locked up for DUI after passing sobriety test and never having had a drink! Small town law can be a nightmare...It cost her hundreds in lawyers fees. Fact is, a.cop doesn't like your attitude, outfit, or skin color....he can make your life miserable.

[1suprafan]

I will say that the jail should have camera's. Not that you would be able to go up there and demand to see them and they will let you. The camera will show everything that happened. I'm guessing that the jail is run but the sheriff's office.

Nothing gets people's attention than the sheriff telling people that the camera did not work at that exact minute. Your laywer can also ask if the vehicle the officer was riding in has a video camera system. A laywer has the right to ask for this tape in order to defend his client.

You could try going to the state police with your story or the FBI. If there is one thing that the FBI does not like it is people not just police but people who violate other people's rights. Perhaps your friends laywer has some people he knows that might be able to assist. At least in this part of tennessee the feds are very pro active and fair. I would hope it would be the same way down there.

[hereiam]

The the consent age in ms is 16 teen .. So im guessing the dad knew some1.

Ok In tn its 18 teen .. so if you where datting a girl that was 17 teen and you where 18teen . Who is in the wrong ? Its really the parents that make that call.

I think the Law on this subject about when your old enough 2 have sex and know what your doing has to many Holes.. This Law started SO many years ago that its hard to know what to do with it ..
If i rember right this Law was started 4 the old pervs that where having sex with children that had not hit puberty yet . (Know Hair down there and groth up top)

I started having sex when i was 12 and 1/2 !

The guy who died, we have no idea what he was like. To be proud of having sex that young is foolishness.

As for the accident. I'm sure there's a lot more to this story.

[valzareh]

1suprafan

Sorry man this is MS .. There are are no cams in the holding cells..

[valzareh]

The guy who died, we have no idea what he was like. To be proud of having sex that young is foolishness.

As for the accident. I'm sure there's a lot more to this story.

Man i was just letting you guys know when i started . Young Yes, Foolish Never :crossjerk

[walkerhiboost]

Media would be a good start. You wouldn't be surprised at how difficult it is to find an appropriate outlet in the law enforcement or judicial structure to complain to about misconduct. I have been so close to trying to lodge complaints about injustices that I've heard about in my small community, but you run a risk trying to do that. My wife translates in the court part time, and some Spanish speakers tell her in confidence that they've already paid the cop several hundred dollars....the judge ignores it. Our friend was also locked up for DUI after passing sobriety test and never having had a drink! Small town law can be a nightmare...It cost her hundreds in lawyers fees. Fact is, a.cop doesn't like your attitude, outfit, or skin color....he can make your life miserable.

That's somewhat typical. Tell your wife to get the individuals to call the FBI. There is a major office in Atlanta. Public Corruption or Civil Rights, ie the Color of Law, are HUGE violations and the FBI will investigate.

[trucker]

lechner

you want to call me an asshole, fine thats your opinion


you want to play shrink, show me your sheep-skin first.


ignorance for my choice of words? untill i see a pic, i will continue to say it may have been a truck, i cant be definate untill i see evedence to the fact

should have been searched? where is the bullshit in that?
its a statement of fact.someone shoulda searched the kid,plain and simple, i wan't tring to soften anything up there.

i do chose my words with some dileberation

the fact is, the kid made a concious decision to end his life.

since i'm shure you are, by your analysis of my feelings, a licsensed shrink, you are a atomaticaly going to blame the situation for the kids death, and won't accept that every person is responsible for their decisions.

if you can call me an asshole then i will go out on a limb here and say......nevermind


and you are godddamed right i will defend truckers in anyway situation untill i am presented evedence that proves me wrong.

i still havn't seen the pic yet, so i will continue to say may have been a truck.....nothing ignorant about that statement at all

[valzareh]

Trucker

If you want pics i will get you the pics !!!! There is a nice BIG ROUND TIRE INPRINT IN THE DRIVERS DOOR WITH RIM MARK .... I had a body man look at the car and say it was a TRUCK ....

All i can say is ignorance must be bliss .......

[walkerhiboost]

I do only agree with one thing that Trucker has said. The kid should have been searched. An individual becomes the responsibility of the arresting officer/agency when his ability to leave on his on will is taken away, ie. cuffs, cop car, holding cell.

Trucker, I can honestly say people make mistakes, but how many are made by Truck drivers doped up or staying awake for thousands of hours at a time just to make more money. Is life really worth the cash when someone gets killed?

[hereiam]

I drive 50 to 60k km's a year by car and rather share the road with trucks than cars. Percentage wise truckers are waaaaayyyyy more ethical and responsible than car drivers. An accident by a truck even if it's not the truck's fault is disastrous for the trucker. Many car drivers misunderstand what truckers are doing and why and blame them while putting themselves and others in precarious situations. The boyfriend twit wasn't man enough to assume responsibility for his actions. So the arresting officer didn't see the tire and rim marks on the car either? A car could not catch up tp a truck?

Like I said there's a lot more to this story

[toyfan]

god bless canada...

[stevrock]

While yes, truckers happen to spend much time on the road, it doesn't make them infallible.

I constantly see truckers pass each other when it is unsafe to do so, causing opposing traffic to pull off the road to allow them to pass.
Since they already know that it is dangerous to be passed on the right, why do they continue to float in the left lane?
I constantly see them have trouble picking a lane, and I don't mean then swinging wide to make a turn, this is highway I'm talking, no ramps for km's.

Truckers get paid by distance, not time. The quicker they make it from point A to B, the more money they can make in an hour.

The log books are garbage, since they can have a few of them tucked away, one legit, other's not so.

Don't dish out the BS.
There are many good drivers, and many are bad, if not worse then normal drivers.

[trucker]

I do only agree with one thing that Trucker has said. The kid should have been searched. An individual becomes the responsibility of the arresting officer/agency when his ability to leave on his on will is taken away, ie. cuffs, cop car, holding cell.

Trucker, I can honestly say people make mistakes, but how many are made by Truck drivers doped up or staying awake for thousands of hours at a time just to make more money. Is life really worth the cash when someone gets killed?




it is a statistical fact that 89% of all car/truck accidents are caused by the car...i don't remember the exact numbers, but the percentage of those wrecks that involve fatalities are even higher .

as far as the pics go, i really don't care, if they are on the drivers side of the car, there is only one senario where the driver is likely to be at fault. he passed the dude and came over too soon.

lets look at the facts

the mechanic friend made contact with the truck, it is apparently a fact, regardless of whose fault it was

the mechanic decided that instead of doing the right thing, by pulling over and calling the cops, to chase this truck down. he did so in a manner that caused him to get pulled over by the cops for erratic driving.

when he was asked to be searched, he told the cop he could wheh he chased down the truck first. now i'm not the smartest person in the world, but how exactly do you make a statement like that in a way that won't piss the cop off?

anything that happened after that is on the mechanic friend. the time to argue the case is in court, not beside the road. i bet if the mechanics attitude hadn't sucked the whole thing would have gone very differently.if he got arrested for dui, with no proper evedence or procedures, he will win in court, and life goes on.


as far as the suicide kid goes, i've already said he should have been searched. i don't exactly see how that is something that could be cut, pasted, and highlighted as an excuse to tell me i have guilt issues, or that i am an asshole, or ignorant...lechner, that was a chicken-shit dick move on your part.

but ultimately,regardless of how people feel morally or socially about the issue, he was arrested for statuatory rape.the letter of the law may decide ultimately what the outcome will be, whether is ok if she is 16, or 17, or whatever, that again is something for the da, and the courts to decide, if consent is 17 in that state, guess what?he goes free.

but the kid made a bad decision, he chose a permanant solution to a temporary problem. rather than face the consequences of what he has done, or stand up for himself and prove himself innocent, he took the easy way out.

he made the decision to end his life, he slit his own wrist..you can't take that away from him. yyeah, he shouldn't have had the knife, but the cops didn't make the cut.


i think someone looking at either situation has to make a decision in their own mind. did these people really get fucked by the system, or are they just suffering the concequences of bad decisions made?...as a conservative person, i choose the latter, i'm one of those ignorant assholes that has the gall to think a person should take responsibility for their actions.

disagree if you want, that is what a forum is for

if you want to call me names or question my sanity because my opinion is different than yours......go fuck yourself

[walkerhiboost]

Mods, can we close this...everyone has completed their opinion....

[TorqueMasterJay]

I have one more thing to say to someone....Trucker...if you are so hard up on the 2 year age issue being against the law, then how come you dont have anything to say about the other offending party member? Ya know, it takes 2 to tango. As with any crime, the accomplice is arrested too. She is just as guilty of "committing a crime" as he is. You gonna say she is too young to be arrested? Have the exact same couple go out and rob a bank. Think they are gonna only arrest him? No. You are emotionally biased due to whatever happened in your past. I am sorry for what may have happened to your family member, but for her sake, I hope the circumstances are like the ones posted in this thread. If that is the case, then the only one emotionally scarred is her father. Im willing to bet the father of that girl gave his relationship with his daughter a mortal blow by sending her boyfriend to the klink to die. One day, men with daughters will be hit in the face with the reality that their daughter is gonna grow up and do what she wants to do. The more he tries to restrict her, the more she will do it in spite. I wont have to worry about my boys coming home with the "Oh shit, I got a girl pregnant" look on his face because all 3 of them are being home schooled. They wont have all the peer pressure on them to go out and try to stick their dork in whatever will let them. As for the truckers of america...my father is one. He has been for the last 30 years. I was just talking to him about your point of view. He agrees that you are nothing more than biased in favor of your brother truckers. Just because you drive a truck for a living dosent make you that much better of a driver. Just means when you DO screw up, the chances of someone dieing goes up dramatically. We are all human. Remember that. As many wrecked tractor trailers I have seen, I would certainly not go on the nationwide defense of them. Praise you skills and experiences all you like, but there is just as much of a percentage of morons driving trucks as cars and motorcycles as big trucks.

[TOYMAN321]

Torq you clearly don't understand rape law or the reasons behind it.

[TorqueMasterJay]

You apparently havent read this whole thread.

[lechner]

Trucker, you just aren't getting it. I made it bold in your quote and you still don't.

i have already said the kid who should have died should have been searched.My problem with your statement has nothing to do with whether he should have been searched, but whether he should have died.

So he attempted suicide - do you know what percentage of teenagers attempt suicide? The difference is that most of them have friends or family around to intervene, and it gets listed as an attempt rather than a suicide. Do you honestly believe that every kid who tries it deserves to die? Do you?

Or is it that you believe that anybody who gets put in jail deserves to die? Because this kid was not a convicted rapist and never would have been. Let's not forget that innocent people go to jail too until the courts can sort it out. Do you have any idea how common it is for a boy just over 18 to have a girlfriend just under 18? Did you when you were that age? Do all these boys deserve to be labeled rapists? Should they all die? Do you hold such an odd belief?

As far as calling you an asshole, would anybody who wasn't make the following statement?
i wouldn't have bothered calling the cops untill after the blood was finished pooling under his twitching body

[TOYMAN321]

You apparently havent read this whole thread.

No.... I did read the whole thread... word for word. What your saying is that their should be no age of concent? That he should not have been arrested for having sex with an underage girl? Or in your "it takes two to tango" analogy that she was an accessory in her own rape?

[TorqueMasterJay]

On the contrary, I am perfectly fine with it as noted to my other post. With my last post, I was poking at truckers "Its against the law no matter how you look at it" mentality. To me, that isnt rape. It was consented sex The only person that thinks its rape is the father. The term "rape" is to seize and take away by force. I dont see this in this scenario. We are not even talking about some 30-60 year old perv trying to get into this young womans pants either. This is not rape. It is however a law being manipulated to enforce a fathers wrath.

[1suprafan]

torque the only problem is despite the fact that valzareh's friend is probably on the level he still can't speak for fact on what the 19 year old is saying. The 19 year old may have been exagerating. We will never know. I know to you it isn't rape but we don't know the whole story. There may be extenuating circumstances. But never the less in the eyes of the law it is still rape. You don't have to like it but you still have to abide by it. To me a 19 year old and a 17 year old isn't rape if it is consentual. But like I said we don't know for sure what really happened, val's friend wasnt at the incident only at the results of it.

[TorqueMasterJay]

Hrmmm....well, perhaps one day, the story will be told in its whole and clarification will come of it. If it was not consented, then of coarse its wrong and the boy deserved to die. If it was, then its just another sad story of young love crushed. If the father walked in on them, that would be a sign that they were mutually involved. Now if pops came in and this kid had a knife or gun, Im sure the story would be allot different....like if he was using a knife to rape this girl, Im sure he wouldnt have gotten thrown in jail with his damn knife. Im done with this thread...unless someone finds the story somewhere.

[trucker]

torque, i expect a man who is legally a man to act like one, i've already said that moral issues don't come into play here, it really dosen't really allow for that, in most staes someone over 18 is an adult, someone who isn't over 18 isn't legally alowed to make adult decisions, regardless of how much we all realize how muh bullshi it is on this issue.

look we all know street racing is illegal, but when we willingly break the law, get caught doing it, get fined, impounded, and possibly even crushed, can we really sit here and whine about it?we knew it was wrong did it anyway, and have to pay the price.but because we have a place on this forum to tell the tale of our conquests, it's suddenly ok, and the system is just screwing us?

again wether you agree with it or not, the law is the law, you can poke fun of me for "having that mentality" all you want, simple fact is, the kid possibly broke it, and that is why he was sitting there in the tank. like the dude said, we will never know the true story, the
kid decided not to hang out long enough amont the living to let the system vindicate him

as far as blindly defending my "trucker bretheren"

insurance, and dot statistics don't lie, i don't have to prove anything there, and your old man can certanily not disagree, especially if he has that much time in.

i guess i could go and cut and paste the info for you to see for yourself, but by the time i get home to a real computer this issue will be either dead, or the thread locked.

yes someone is more likely to get messed up i that truck/car wreck, but it dosen't change the factt that the vast majority of those wrecks were the cars fault.the difference is, those are the wrecks that you see on tv. look at your phone book, i bet on the cover is an add taken out by a lawyer who specializes in sing trucking companies.

back to our street racing example...most of he civics i see pulled out of ditches are equipped with huge aluminum wings and fancy wheels and fart can exhaust tips.that is what the public sees too. so immedately all of us who enjoy imports are seen as that civic.
streetracing punks who are dangerous, and shouldn't be allowed on the streets. it's all a matter of perception,most import guys are reasonable drivers, and so are most trckers.i do admit, there are bad apples in every group, but no one is suing import drivers, yet.i do realize there are some law enforcement agencies beginning to crack down on import gys, but it is nowhere at the levels drivers are messed with.

did your father happen to mention the HOS lawsuits we are dealing with right now?who do you think is suing us...dot? no
fmcr? no

it's pats.....parents against tired truckers...one asshole driver takes out someones kid, by not following the rules, and now the whole system is in an uproar.public perception, my friend...yes, i'm going to "blindly defend " my fellow trucker. i'm training my rookies to play by the rules, and doing my part to change perceptions of the public.it's a shame more drivers don't defend their profession.we are our own worst enemy on the road, and sadly, it's mostly the old school drivers that are hurting our image

lechner, its amazing that you can read into my whole mental make up, but after what 2 years here, still havn't noticed i can't type?

on that point i meant to say that the kid who died should have been searched, not that he should have died, it was a typo and for that i apologize, i should have caught it earlier.i beleive that it still isn't the source of our disagreement here.

i have said several times that the kid wouldn't have been convicted if he didn't break the law..nowhere have i said any differently. but he chose not to have his day in court.period.i don't care about his perceived fear about being i general pop.i'm pretty shure that's not a good reson to die

no i don't think that kids who attempt suicide should die, i think everyone should live forever.

i do think that kids who do atttempt suicide have been failed by their parents, they most likely fet tha this is the only way that they could get attention from them...how sad. but this dude was an adult who was shirking from his responsibilities to face up to what he did, again wether you feel what he did was morally right or wrong, it dosen't matter.

no i don't beleive that someone who goes to jail should die, i beleive that he should have been releived of his knoife.

i do beleive that he broke the law, but that is for the courts to decide.

i do beleive that he wasn't man enough to face up to the reality of his situation, and chose the losers way out

i do beleive what i said what about i would have done to the boy if had i had been the father who walked in on it

i do know i would have faced the consequences of my actions had i done that... i am a man

i do beleive most fathers would at least feel the same way.

i do beleive i'm done

[valzareh]

Just one more thing about this kid .. He did not cut himself to die . He cut himself thinking that the cops would do there job and take him to a Hospital.

If you have some1 that trys to AKA Commit Suicide . They are taken to the hospital and put under watch and if they where taken to back to jail ,they would be put in a special cell under a 24 hour watch.
(they are not put in the jails population)

[trucker]

i undserstand why he did it.

end result is the same, dead is dead

kind of like cutting off your nose to spite your face?

i'm shure that reason makes the kids family feel better

[valzareh]

I think wanting to go to the hospital and trying to kill your are 2 diff things .

cutting your self thinking that you would go and get taken car of are 2 diff things ..

Im done .. if you think he did it to die then i think your mind is in the wrong place.

[trucker]

jesus christ, i already said i understand why he did it

but he still slit his own wrist, what is likely happen?

there is no reset button in life, this isn't xbox.


bouth this kid, and your mechanic friend are victims

unfortunately, they are victims of circumstances they created for themselves

if youo cant understand that, you are the one with your mind in the wrong place


mods, i think this discussion is over