Mk2 + 1GZFe V12 swap

[Crambo]

I'm sure you guys won't mind a V12 swap amongst the V8s.

I almost got a 1UZ swap running then found a 1GZ on Yahoo Auctions Japan, instructed an importer to bid and then shock! I won.

They are a strange beast, 5.0 Litre quad cam, 48 valve, drive by wire twin throttles & twin ecus.

Many may not have seen much of them so I will start with some engine pics.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage070.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage071.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage074.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage103.jpg

[jefe_not]

Wow! This is going to be interesting...

What transmission are you planning on using? Custom exhaust? I'm assuming it's out of a Century. Is it? Did you get the wiring harness and the two ECU's with it? Are you going to run a stand-alone? Is the engine bay large enough? It's hard to tell from the photos how big it is...

[robidunno]

Sweet Jesus! I was just thinking about this and wondering about the possibilities myself just this morning.

[BillyM]

YES! I have been waiting for half a decade for someone to attempt this swap.

...consider me absolutely interested and I will monitor this thread daily.

*edit*
Scoped your photobucket, hotlinkin' your progress. ...apologies if you didn't want that revealed yet, but I won't say I'm sorry.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage098.jpg

--BillyM

[Norbie]

This guy is showing up everywhere! :p

PS burnout videos don't seem to be loading.

[Tire Shredder]

hell yeah! can't wait to see more of this one!!

do you know how much it weighs?

[group a supra]

this the best build thread i have seen in ages:thumbsup:

[Crambo]

Yes the engine only comes in the century and they are only intended for Japan.

There are a handful of engines in AU and maybe 2 century cars, the owner of one would like to get an engine for an MA61 but so far this would be the first.

I have the looms, ecus, throttles and afms, the only thing I need is the accelerator pedal/electrics for the drive by wire, hopefully some other Toyota product will match.

I asked my local dealer about parts before I bid, he tapped a few keys and up she comes on the screen, an exploded view of the engine with part numbers, but he was unsure how cooperative Toyota Japan we would be.

A supra A80 is under construction in Sydney, they bought an auto bell, 10 weeks, because it had to be made (Very low production numbers/hand built engines) however it was $500AUD, about the same as for other Toyota cars.

Trans will be T56 with matching clutch/flywheel from GM 6.0Litre V8 and rear end is a complete Mk3 A70 irs "G" diff already installed.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage094.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage050.jpg

[Malloy]

We want more! :)

[Jkm3141]

Its good that you posted this up. This site just had to see it. Wonderful progress

Time to pull a BillyM

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage091.jpg Its just a tad bigger than the 1UZ

[Xeno_omega]

is that a front passenger flare on the back?? I see what you did there! lol awesome

[Tire Shredder]

is that a front passenger flare on the back?? I see what you did there! lol awesome

I think that's the car tat has the mk3 rear suspension in it. At least, that's what the strut towers appear to be from. Had to put the front flair on the rear to accomodate the wider track.

[kvanderlaag]

Sweet zombie jesus.

That motor is ENORMOUS. And this is FANTASTIC.

Subscribed!

[lechner]

That engine is the SH!T. Even if it experiences a mechanical or electrical failure on one side, you still have a 1JZ with a 6 cylinder air pump along for the ride. I'm pretty sure it should fit as it is as long as a 1JZ and as wide as a 1UZ. It's going to require relocating a lot of things, though. I can't see the pictures here at work, but suppose I will be heading straight home tonight to check this out.

[Norbie]

The 1GZ isn't as big as you might think, that photo is a bit misleading. It's a 60-degree vee so surprisingly compact for a 12 cylinder engine.

I'd be interested to know what it weighs; being an alloy block I reckon it wouldn't be any more than a 2JZ for example.

For interests sake this is what mine looks like:

http://www.norbie.net/Century/Century18.jpg

[Jkm3141]

Wow you have a Century? I didn't even realize you were in Australia till now. how much better a luxury feel is it over the LS400/Celsior?

/end thread jack

Yea the 60 degree v12 wont be wider than the 90 degree v8

[dmlsupra]

just..... amazing... I wonder if the rear suspension swap is worth the trouble...

[moonpie33]

wow
sooo wait you have a rear suspension form a mk3 on your mk2
i might attempt this

[Chrisfrom1986]

just..... amazing... I wonder if the rear suspension swap is worth the trouble...
I think there was another person to do the same, if you search you might find the thread. IIRC the suspension was very close to bolt in, would require some relocation brackets or something.

[Tanya]

Mmmmmm dual inline 6 goodness! You Aussies are crazy! I love it :)

[Crambo]

I would have to say the suspension swap is not worth it! so don't do it!!
The V12 swap is just plain silly! so don't do it !!
Body modifications! what's wrong with the way it is?
All of the above = no value for money > meh, whatever.

Sorry guys, just kidding.

I expect the wishbone IRS over the stock one will not provide a worth while performance benefit but is a big strength upgrade in driveline (& is sexy).
And nothing bolts in, there is more work in the towers than the subframe.

As for the V12, much better 6 & 8 cylinder alternatives as far as power and cost effectiveness goes.
This is unique and it is Toyota + Toyota (well er, except for the box)

The pic shows rear fully compressed.
Something else to chew on is the handbrake, console and gearshift has moved 4.5" to the rear, with a shortshift virtical stick.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage045-1.jpg

[Chrisfrom1986]

Round gas door? Looks out of place... I meant the rear subframe was near bolt in, not the shock towers.

[Crambo]

The round gas door avoids the cut out on the flare (which I don't like), the flares are larger and mounted higher = bigger cutout and I like the round.

The subframe rear bolts are out about an 1", redrill, mmm....sounds easy.
Front of subframe has 4 mounts,
2 to be repositioned to align with body's original bolt holes,
2 new mount points in body to align with the 2 remaining subframe bolt holes.
When you get this far you are 30% there (and wondering, do I need this?)

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage014.jpg

[group a supra]

is there much difference weight wise in the frames i have some here but am yet to weigh them

[Crambo]

There is a weight difference, but I think the added weight to the rear is not such a bad thing.
This pic shows both assemblies, however like a lot of pics the perspective makes close items look huge.
You can see there is so many more parts than the original set up.
BTW this is out of a MZ21 but AFAIK is identical to MA70.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage011.jpg

[Norbie]

I actually think the rear end swap is worth it for your car. The low-RPM torque of the 1GZ is really quite amazing, and I don't think a MkII rear end could deal with it. A double-wishbone setup will do a much better job of getting the power down without torching the tyres every time you touch the throttle.

FYI my Century weighs bang on 2 tonnes and will light up the tyres from standstill without stalling up the transmission, just stomping on the throttle. Now imagine it with a manual transmission, shitty trailing-arm suspension, and minus 700kg. Wheelspin city!

[DMADMA60]

Holy Shit! Amazing! Wunderbar!

[Crambo]

Norbie, do you think 3.73:1 final drive should go taller? I can get 3.5:1.
Like, to give it more to bite on.
6th gear is astronomical, I think it's 0.5:1.
1st gear, I will have find out what ratio it is.

[pituala]

Very nice. I like it a lot.

[Norbie]

Norbie, do you think 3.73:1 final drive should go taller? I can get 3.5:1.
Like, to give it more to bite on.
6th gear is astronomical, I think it's 0.5:1.
1st gear, I will have find out what ratio it is.
Your gearbox is basically a 5-speed with an extra stupidly-overdriven gear, so I don't think you want a very tall final drive ratio. I switched to a 3.58:1 because the V160 is a close-ratio box with a very short first gear, but I don't think yours will be as short. Try it how it is then decide if you want to change it.

[KurtW85]

wow. simply.

[Crambo]

OK Norbie, I found them, T56 on left, Getrag V160 on right

1st--2.66:1.......3.83:1
2d---1.78:1.......2.36:1
3d---1.30:1.......1.68:1
4th--1.00:1.......1.31:1
5th--0.74:1.......1.00:1
6th--0.50:1.......0.79:1

I seem to recall these T56 had a tall 1st and the ratio spread is not so wide?
And the GMH car runs a 3.73:1 axle but larger rolling dia tyres than MA61.

I'm estimating a 62mph (100km/hr) to be 1700-1800rpm
(your online gearing calc is not restored is it?)

[CarFreek]

My new goal in life is to become an Illegal Immigrant in Australia. You guys do what we can only dream......Funny, I was just talkin to Junkie about the C.O.P. setup I am running now, and mentioned that my car thinks its a wasted spark v-12 now. How is the exhaust plumbed? New steering box? NO FIREWALL MODS? Fawkin excellent:faint:

[Crambo]

The firewall is ok unless there is a need to push the engine back further, just not much room left for rad fans.

The steering will remain stock, just need to work headers around it and the 60deg V helps.

The stock exhaust is pretty good but would need altering around the steering anyway, so I have something special in mind, but we will see after the engine and box is in the final position.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage090.jpg

Norbie, I might be doing this maths wrong, if I multiply the T56 ratios by 1.44 which will adjust them all so that both boxes have identical 1st gear, the other gears are comparable, no surprise 6th is still way tall.

This correction would be done via diff ratios, T56 left and V160 on the right.

1st--3.83:1.......3.83:1
2d---2.56:1.......2.36:1
3d---1.87:1.......1.68:1
4th--1.44:1.......1.31:1
5th--1.06:1.......1.00:1
6th--0.72:1.......0.79:1

[Norbie]

I just got my gearing calculator working again.

http://akb.norbie.net/Public/Gearing.aspx

Have fun. :)

[Lee_MA61]

Wow I'm glad you found one of these babies! So you decided against the 2GZ-FE (5.2L) lol well I'm sure you didn't want to go all the way to Russia for that one.. haha

I looked for a 1GZ or 2GZ for nearly a year and a half before finding a 2GayZeee... lol

I hope you get this thing running maybe you can get some parts from Top Secret. They built a 1GZ-FE twin turbo, and they ran into a lot of the little problems you've got as well. They relocated the Rad to the hatch with a very nicely engineered air flow system. But as you know there is more than one way to skin a cat. ;)

Good Luck!

vid of this crazy GZA80:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcqaqXYBLBE

[DRIFTINGmy85]

Retardely amazing!!! Very awesome!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Century
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_GZ_engine

I'm surprised to find out the 1gz only has 280 hp.
I would have thought it would have been around 400.

[Norbie]

Quoted power is 280hp, actual power is a good deal more than that. :) My Century put down 260rwhp bone stock, and that's through a power-sapping auto. I reckon they have well over 300hp out of the box, and you'd free up lots more power with a better flowing exhaust (stocker has 4 cats and 7 mufflers) and a manual transmission.

[Lexusboy]

wow... this is what happens when you sell your supra and dont come back on here for a while....

the torque would be amazing... not to mention the exhaust note!

[Tire Shredder]

Quoted power is 280hp, actual power is a good deal more than that. :) My Century put down 260rwhp bone stock, and that's through a power-sapping auto. I reckon they have well over 300hp out of the box, and you'd free up lots more power with a better flowing exhaust (stocker has 4 cats and 7 mufflers) and a manual transmission.

from your description norbie, I think it needs a pair of good 'ole american flowmasters.

[toyonda]

wow thats sick.
edit: nvm


cant wait till its done... gonna be insane!

[Mone]

looks pretty sweet. I love uniqueness. Will try to follow this one.

[williamb82]

i just busted a wad in my pants. awesome! that thing should scream. as for your ratio, id stick with 3.73, you might end up wanting to go wit ha 4.10 later but i doubt it. the tq youll have from what norbie says the 3.73 should do fine. ill be running a lt1 t56 on my 7m. main thing i need at the moment is the flywheel. got a friend working on that so im patiently waiting. lol.

[Crambo]

Yeah, 3.73 diff in 6th gear calcs to 1580rpm @ 62mph (100km/hr)
which I think will sit ok with this motor.

Little bit of progress, the adaptor plate is now set up with dowls to fit gearbox, and i'm happy 100%.
Next will be to match up the engine dowls and if I can do that as good I will be 200% happy.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage109.jpg

[group a supra]

very cool sir 10/10

[williamb82]

Yeah, 3.73 diff in 6th gear calcs to 1580rpm @ 62mph (100km/hr)
which I think will sit ok with this motor.

Little bit of progress, the adaptor plate is now set up with dowls to fit gearbox, and i'm happy 100%.
Next will be to match up the engine dowls and if I can do that as good I will be 200% happy.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage109.jpg

looks similar to the 7m adaptor i made. lol.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/williamb82/t56/Picture060.jpg

btw, do you think it would be hard to make an adaptor to fit it to the 1uz? when i do a 1uz swap i want to use a t56 for that as well. since you have one sitting there figured you could hold that plate up to it and see how the bolt holes on the block compare to the trans. not sure if they would interfere with each other or not.

[Crambo]

William, that looks excellent, I should have got you to send me one!
I will need an infill across the bottom too.
No conflict with bolts, even the starter is within the T56 bell.

The UZ & GZ are similar at the rear and the flex plates are identical, the big difference is the starter location, you can see the small cut out for the starter gear.
The plate is almost 3/4" thick for spacing, I'm doing a weird adaption for the fly so I can have a big lazy clutch that I can easy buy parts for.

[HerrKooled]

looks great, looking forward to a finished product

[williamb82]

William, that looks excellent, I should have got you to send me one!
I will need an infill across the bottom too.
No conflict with bolts, even the starter is within the T56 bell.

The UZ & GZ are similar at the rear and the flex plates are identical, the big difference is the starter location, you can see the small cut out for the starter gear.
The plate is almost 3/4" thick for spacing, I'm doing a weird adaption for the fly so I can have a big lazy clutch that I can easy buy parts for.

well i plan to weld nuts to the inside of the plate so no more wrench and ratchet routine to remove the starter on the 7m. lol. if you wanted to put a chevy trans on a 5m/6m/7m i can still get those plates. i did 3/8ths thick steel. it spaces back just enough for the input shaft of the t56 to not bottom out in the crank. when i finally get around to buying a 1uz for a swap ill get the measurements i need and try to make a similar one for the 1uz as well. however 1 is already made to bolt jz bell housings up. so you could go v160 if you were going 1uz still. anything with that v12 will be custom obviously though. lol. cant wait to see your car done. looks awesome.

[group a supra]

any updates :)

[rabidchimp.com]

Nice! Thanks for sharing.
-Aaron, a bit late to this thread.

[Crambo]

Sorry to disappoint but spending more spare time earning "Supra $$$" than working on it.

Looks like I will be up for enlarging the tunnel and possibly moving the stabilizer bar.

Oooh, and I will be driving 100 miles to the importer on Saturday to bring home some goodies.

[Joseph]

Wow, very impressive.

Do you have a more in depth thread about the body/chassis possibly on Toymods?

[Crambo]

Yes, I have 3 on Toymods,
the original UZ build and because the IRS was a project on it's own there is a thread for that.
When I won the auction for the V12 I thought it best to do a new build as the project is close enough to starting all over again.

Some body changes to the rear are underway with the front to come,
(the purists won't like it) There won't be wings.

There won't be scoops or vents unless there is temperature problems.
(could be with 2 lots of headers and not a lot of space left)

[Tire Shredder]

have you looked at header routing yet? looks like it could be a pain.

remote mounted turbo system?
http://www.ststurbo.com/

;)

[Crambo]

Turbos will have to go in the hatch.
As for headers, there is 50% more width than what you get for a 1UZ,
but there is 50% more pipes to fit in, doh!

Got some spare parts, I think this has a BHG.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage111.jpg

[group a supra]

Turbos will have to go in the hatch.
As for headers, there is 50% more width than what you get for a 1UZ,
but there is 50% more pipes to fit in, doh!

Got some spare parts, I think this has a BHG.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage111.jpg

pm me the if ya wanna sell it

[Crambo]

Well group a supra, I can put you on the list.

I couldn't resist bidding when this one came up but it was described as a "core" for parts or rebuilding.
It came with a loom and intake manifold, otherwise stripped bare.

With the recent difference in our $ and the Yen, buying is so bad the importer I used has shut up shop.

I will update pics soon, I have beat the fire wall to allow the heads to go back and butchered large holes for the bell & box.
Still got problems with stabilizer bar but I can see room for cooling fans.
If the engine goes back much further I won't need a drive shaft!

[Lee_MA61]

You might have to just relocate the radiator. Doesn't sound like fun but could be the simple answer.

[Crambo]

The big problem is the sway bar/anti roll bar that runs in front of the crank pulley and sump.
I may have to lower the mounting points of the bar so it runs across the steel pan, below the pulley.
Have a look at page 1 engine pics and you can see the size of the pulley/harmonic balancer.


http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage115.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage116.jpg

[jefe_not]

I hope there's no coolant hose running across the back of that engine! LOL

[pituala]

The big problem is the sway bar/anti roll bar that runs in front of the crank pulley and sump.
I may have to lower the mounting points of the bar so it runs across the steel pan, below the pulley.
Have a look at page 1 engine pics and you can see the size of the pulley/harmonic balancer.


http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage115.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage116.jpg

I had to shim the swaybar down on my car AND i had to remove about .5mm of material on the bar for clearance for my 1J pulley.

[group a supra]

[QUOTE=Crambo;510102]Well group a supra, I can put you on the list.QUOTE]

1ST I hope pretty please :)

[DMADMA60]

I had to shim the swaybar down on my car AND i had to remove about .5mm of material on the bar for clearance for my 1J pulley.

Mine is really close as well.

[Crambo]

A little update.
Not much has been done but a number of things figured out.

I can't use the Crown V8 radiator, the inlets and outlets clash with the engine. I will use a Ford rad from a 5.4L with the Ford twin elect fans.

The biggest problem is the incline on the engine, the only option would be to alter the alloy section of the sump where it passes over the rack, and I can't raise the gbox any more.

The ideal would be to have the diff pinion axis and crankshaft axis parallel or near as possible to it.

Looks like the IRS cradle mounts are up for adjustment, doh!
Pack the rear points with a spacer = too easy.
Reduce the front mounting points = hrs with grinder and welder.

I hope to get something solid done in the next weeks.

[pituala]

Welding equipment is your friend :)

[Norbie]

I will use a Ford rad from a 5.4L with the Ford twin elect fans.
I'll be interested to see how you go with this. Have you priced it yet? I'm guessing it's not too expensive being an OEM Ford part.

[Crambo]

So far I can get Rad & bolt on twin elec fans with cowl for under au$425 delivered, for a 390hp Ford, these are new, Ebay, Chinese made replacements.

From a Ford dealer au$625, still not bad unless they are from China too!

[Crambo]

Engine now in its final position, this is the space front and side to work with.
Swaybar mounts will have to relocate a little for bar to clear sump.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage119.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage120.jpg

[bradmk2drifter]

mmmmmmmm pure sex oops i made sticky :sarcasm:

[Black_83]

this is such a cool project! that car is going to be stupid fast when you're done.

[Crambo]

I'm not sure that I really want to go all that fast in this car!
With a bucket load of torque from 1000rpm I don't think it will take long to get to the Mall.
Any volunteers to do a 1/4mile time for me? I'm such a wimp.

[CLToy]

I'm not sure that I really want to go all that fast in this car!
With a bucket load of torque from 1000rpm I don't think it will take long to get to the Mall.
Any volunteers to do a 1/4mile time for me? I'm such a wimp.

Sign me up! :facesjump

[Jkm3141]

I'm not sure that I really want to go all that fast in this car!
With a bucket load of torque from 1000rpm I don't think it will take long to get to the Mall.
Any volunteers to do a 1/4mile time for me? I'm such a wimp.

I just ordered the plane ticket over. :-D

The project sounds great

[Norbie]

Any volunteers to do a 1/4mile time for me? I'm such a wimp.
This car will probably run a mid 12 at ~115mph, which isn't very scary believe me.

OTOH I'm happy to offer my services. :)

[Crambo]

Yes, it's the 1/4 mile after that I'd be more worried about.

[GSBoek]

I'm late to the party but this is golden! I have material to chew on tonight, was contemplating doing the 1GZ but in a Crown Majesta. Props!

[Crambo]

Slow progress.
The headers will be 180 degree pairs, then 3 > 1, about 15" long primarys.

ATM I'm planning an X pipe behind gbox then a merge to 3" behind diff with a single outlet in stock location.

Have been experimenting casting a fibreglass intake plenum (to include the ACIS) that would be adapted to a cut down set of lower runners.

I might take a short cut and build an "upper" set of manifolds to bolt to the stock lower set (where the ACIS is fitted).
It may look ugly but thats what Toyota made the big black cover for!!

This is the Ford rad and fans, looks like it will fit nice.
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage121.jpg

[tacoma_kyle]

WHat vehicle are those out of? I know it is AU so it may be different from the states, I just liek the idea of huge electric fans for my Celica 1UZ project.

I was ganna use a 90 Cressida radiator and a single Ford Taurus fan. I think my fans shitty though as it squeaks. Usually bad.



Anyhow very nice, keep it up and I would appreciate feedback.

[Crambo]

These fans are from our Australian Ford Falcon, they do pull a few amps I'm told.
I think they run them series and parallel to give 2 speeds.
I note there is a divider in the plastic shroud up to the rad core so you could run only one fan but that would be similar to 2 in series?

[rockerroller]

is this project still going on? how far have you gotten? looks absolutely stunning, holy cow

[Crambo]

Yes, the project is still on, been away, but the project has been in my head and more has been planned (mostly) in the induction department.

Unfortunately I have to take time out to alter my shed but ultimately this is to speed up the progress.

[jdma70]

im pretty late but OMG. You are too cool Crambo. And i was just starting to be satisfied with my 62-1 on my 7m.... until i saw this thread. Keep the pics coming. i'll be looking at this daily now. Can't wait to see the vids of this thing.

[gte]

Crambo, what is your email?

Can we talk about this housing/adapter via email?





Yes the engine only comes in the century and they are only intended for Japan.

There are a handful of engines in AU and maybe 2 century cars, the owner of one would like to get an engine for an MA61 but so far this would be the first.

I have the looms, ecus, throttles and afms, the only thing I need is the accelerator pedal/electrics for the drive by wire, hopefully some other Toyota product will match.

I asked my local dealer about parts before I bid, he tapped a few keys and up she comes on the screen, an exploded view of the engine with part numbers, but he was unsure how cooperative Toyota Japan we would be.

A supra A80 is under construction in Sydney, they bought an auto bell, 10 weeks, because it had to be made (Very low production numbers/hand built engines) however it was $500AUD, about the same as for other Toyota cars.

Trans will be T56 with matching clutch/flywheel from GM 6.0Litre V8 and rear end is a complete Mk3 A70 irs "G" diff already installed.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage094.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage050.jpg

[Crambo]

The project will be on hold until after Easter, I have taken half the roof off my workshop to raise it 4 ft so I can install a 2 post hoist.

It's too hard working with jacks and laying on concrete, at my age, and I have 2 sons with Toyota's, so it's "Do it now" time.

gte - the adaptor plate is a one off, hand made, unfinished, untested, however good enough to hold things in place, to get on with other stuff.

ATM I plan to leave space for a supercharger, "Procharger" type for about 5-6psi, something that can be relatively easy to remove as HERE, with this project, FI will NOT be street legal.

The engine uses an 1 1/4" 8 rib serpentine belt and had a pump mounted above the a/c compressor to power a hydraulic radiator fan.
An idler shaft and pulley will need to be mounted inplace and adequate clear space left for turbine.

[83mkII]

i cant wate to see this one dun

[jtamulis]

wow, nice. I need just look away.... Somehow look away, stop the brain from thinking too hard.... Must....not...look.............damn.

Nice 8-).

Jeff

[theghostknife]

very nice, has anyone got any actual dimensions of the engine, length, width, height etc. I have a need for a cheap late model reliable v12 for a project car - actually its a F*rrari P4 replica made my noble in the early 90's and this woudl be the perfect choice to get around the emmissions targets i need to.

Regards
Mike

[ma71supraturbo]

awesome swap -- I'd never heard of the GZ V12s before -- just wasted most of the evening checking them out. Even found a Russian Toyota Mark II with the 5.2L 2GZ for $8,800 http://auto.drom.ru/?id=2611471

Or a 5.0L 1GZ longblock for ~$2000 on yahoo auctions.jp

If only they were more readily available stateside....

[Crambo]

I've been told another engine has landed in Melbourne (Aus) via the same transport service that delivered mine, don't know where it is destined.

Should be getting back to my project in about 2 weeks.

[Suprafanatic]

Well, that's about as nutty as shit. I thought Smokey Nagato was hitting the pipe putting it into a JZA80 chassis, but dammit, this takes the cake!
How are you progressing?

[Crambo]

Getting the ball rolling again, work on manifolds has begun, yet to decide on how many throttles (na, for now, boost if I live long enough)
My head says stock units and hurry the F up. my heart says 3 x 45mm each side.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage132.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage131.jpg

[supra4life]

damn, looking awesome!

[Turkey]

.....will this have traction control? if not your idle might be enough torque to make your tires disappear lol. You'll have to break, and let out the clutch...but really noice work dude. im hoping for 11seconds on the Q mile!!!

[zilvias13]

what trans are you boltin up to it?

[Crambo]

Yes, torque should come on real strong from idle and traction will a problem even with the tall gearing, I think it will have to be driven with some care.
Transmission is the Tremec T56 box.

[GSBoek]

Starting to look right at home. :D

[Muchbzy]

Wow, I'm speechless! Keep the pic coming, I'll need a new keyboard once I drool all over this one!

[glmomp]

Badass. :)

[Tire Shredder]

12x Itb ;)

[Suprasaurus]

I hope this is the new swap "to do", in the near future ;) lol.

I wish I had enough "know how" and inspiration... and! MONEY! to do this type of swap.

I was thinking, V8?? THAT'S BA!!

Then I saw the title with V12 in the middle of one of my college classes and my jaw dropped.

It was hard to act like I wasn't surfing the internet, I really couldn't just stop scroll and reading and looking.

I LOVE IT!

Hope everything goes smoothly and i'll be looking for some updates!!:zzzzz:

Tony

[Crambo]

The manifolds are being made for stock throttles, one for each side, these will be "temporary".
Spoke to my engineer and asked if I could have multiple throttles if I maintain all the pollution gear and controls - he did not see a problem.
The priority will be to get it going and road legal, however I've started investigating itb's - I just can't help myself.
This is the spare engine.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage140.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage141.jpg

[yannis-supras]

Could you get some under car pictures of the a70 IRS fitted on the car? It would be very interesting to see how you tackled the mounting, length difference issues as I have been trying to figure that out for a while myself.

Did you end up with the diff and drive axles 6-7" further back or did you shorten the front end of the a70 subframe and chopped off the lower arms accordingly?

[deaf_rattle]

Sorry for the hijack.. heres one prepared earlier..

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c317/deaf_rattle/SUC50145.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c317/deaf_rattle/SUC50144.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c317/deaf_rattle/SUC50143.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c317/deaf_rattle/SUC50140.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c317/deaf_rattle/27625821_full.jpg

[Crambo]

Getting the subframe in is not too bad, doing the shock towers is the real fun part.

[JZE72]

I'm dumbfounded. Absolutely nuts and genius.

I want to see more!

[legendaryt2]

This was my reaction when I read the titles for V8 & other engine swaps

1st...wow cool :cool: I thought 7M-GTE and 2JZ were bad but they went Lexus V8

2nd...Holy Crap an LS1!

3rd... OMFG!!! :eek::iocrunks2::faint:





:mk2_vroom:mymk22: Now that's some serious ish...respects...:hail::hail::hail::hail::hail:

[Jens Lyn]

Very nice project.

I think i perhaps have an solution for cheep ITB for your car.
i can send some pic later :-)

[SupraFiend]

Getting the subframe in is not too bad, doing the shock towers is the real fun part.

that blue car isn't yours though right, got any similar pics of how you did yours?

[Crambo]

This is what has taken so much time (and money). Had to raise the roof to fit the hoist and a whole lot of other stuff

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage138.jpg

Thanks Jens, I'd like to see the itb's, it's something I plan to do.
There is a lot of pics on Toymods of the rear suspension but you will have to search for my thread, I will update it when manifolds are done.

[WadeT]

As for the V12, much better 6 & 8 cylinder alternatives as far as power and cost effectiveness goes.




really? Hmm, I reckon that v12 makes same HP and TQ as a well tuned stock CT26 7mgte -300rwhp/340rwtq or *less. No doubt it will have great throttle response, low end torque, and that exotic v12 exhaust note! Better than 7mgtes or 1/2jzs? Knife to gun fight? Hello? For get about it..:twocents:

I really love it man.. Just had to be the devil's advocate here.;)

[Jens Lyn]

here is a link
hope it works

http://pictiger.com/home/photos/photo?albumid=1002&userid=#photoid=6775

[DRE85PTYPE]

the link wants you to sign in.

[celicabai]

any updates on this thread.? we want more.

[DrgnFlys]

Jens
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The requested URL /home/photos/photo was not found on this server.

Apache/2.0.59 (FreeBSD) PHP/5.2.3 with Suhosin-Patch Server at pixa.us Port 80

[Jens Lyn]

Ok i will send the photo soon......just have to eat now :-)

[Crambo]

Sorry guys, this year has amounted to very little on the car, but I'll put up some pics of some old work and where I'm up to on the manifolds.

I have received an auto bell from Japan, a few guys in Aus are making adaptor plates, T56 to Toyota auto bell.

Got the huge fan belt and some manuals, in Japanese :(
but I've got someone to help with that :)

Got some King lows for the front and after some SW20 Koni Yellows.
Another package coming from Japan with GZ engine mounts (changing the type I have used) and electronic DBW accelerator pedal.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage142.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage144.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage143.jpg

[Suprasaurus]

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage142.jpg

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I like it. Where can I buy one of these? lol j/k.

GOOD WORK!

Tony

[celicabai]

thanks for the update... looking very powerful .. but what did you do with the rear hatch?

[SupraFiend]

Custom ferrari style hatch, awesome. You really need some real Supra tail lights though, not those silly Celica ones you guys got stuck with :p

[Black_83]

More pics of the hatch, plz!!!!

[Crambo]

The hatch is a bit of a mess, Mig welding has caused some warps and buckles, so this one will be finished (with a lot of filler).

I see a better way to make it and get it Tig welded, so I'll make another, better and lighter, also in steel (and only a little bit of filler).

It looks better than the pic and yes it is made from a hood.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Idas82ndbirthday.jpg

[celica fanatic]

I don't usually like the look of the "Ferrari style" hatch, but looking at one in the nitty gritty looks pretty cool. You did a great job on it as well.

[krednjen]

Flat rear decks are good for down-force of course at the expense of drag.:thumbsup:

[krednjen]

When is your birthday???? I am permitting you exactly one year from your birthday to have this up and running, unless your birthday is over 8 months away. The Supra community demands it (and if not the whole group, at least my bossy, self important ego:laugh: ). You belong to the world now. So again............... when is your birthday!!!!!

[SupraFiend]

Very nice. You're trying to preserve the rear seat headroom too I see?

[Crambo]

Ha ha, my birthday is in June so I am getting heaps of time, so long as I don't have another year like this one!

I want one of these for christmas-

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Newclutchoptions015.jpg

[Crambo]

Been doin' some wiring and one side of headers.
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage150.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage160.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage155.jpg

[GSBoek]

Nice, I need to update myself on this, it's been a while. :D

[Crambo]

Ha ha, I didn't buy enough bends to finish the other side, well the original plan was less knots:)
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage156.jpg

[SupraFiend]

Looking good man, can't wait to see this thing done.

It must be super time intensive making V12 headers, twice the work of an I6 :p

[CarFreek]

That exhaust is definitely NSFW-Auto porno.

[the ghoul]

The hatch is a bit of a mess, Mig welding has caused some warps and buckles, so this one will be finished (with a lot of filler).

I see a better way to make it and get it Tig welded, so I'll make another, better and lighter, also in steel (and only a little bit of filler).

It looks better than the pic and yes it is made from a hood.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Idas82ndbirthday.jpg

omg....
im so doing this!!!
thank you i love it!

[Prplehz]

I am glad to see this is still in progress. You have made great progress and that hatch is just going to be the cherry on the cake. I can't wait to see vids of it finished. Any idea what color you will be painting it?

[jekruger72]

I love the hatch. Really makes a v12 belong. Gives it the supercar look. haha

[Crambo]

A few changes in the front to come but not radical but for people who are not familiar with Mk2s will scratch heads and think "WTF is that"?

Have to work out some hood vents as the engine bay will be full and all those curly pipes won't help.

The car will get a rough coat of white to get through the legal process first.

[the ghoul]

A few changes in the front to come but not radical but for people who are not familiar with Mk2s will scratch heads and think "WTF is that"?

Have to work out some hood vents as the engine bay will be full and all those curly pipes won't help.

The car will get a rough coat of white to get through the legal process first.

i know it will be more efficiane to place the vents above the manifolds but... scallop style vents on the back edge of the hood bulge would be hott!!!
http://www.body-kitz.com/contents/media/t_99fdmus2dcr-010c.jpg

[Crambo]

You know those vents were the first that came to mind, next was a set each side.
There is a place that does heat coating bout an hour away, also some heat shield could be attached to the hood.

[xr4man]

ypu wpuld want vents to be closer to front of the hood. that's where the low pressure area would be to help suck air out of the engine bay. the closer you get to the windshield, the higher the pressure is. so vents there won't really vent. they'll just allow high pressure air to be shoved into the engine bay.

[Chrisfrom1986]

These are the vents you need, moved to the front.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/TanyasMkII/miscellenous%20crap/0000.jpg

[Crambo]

Chrisfrom1987, I like that, vents are just about over the headers.
I'm thinking heat will be a problem when the car is stationary or slow traffic.
Looked at vents in the front fender near the door, ducted from the back of the bay.

[Crambo]

Some more auto porn.
Not what you would expect to see under an MA61 hood.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage163.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage165.jpg

[krednjen]

.......front of the hood. that's where the low pressure area would be to help suck air out of the engine bay. the closer you get to the windshield, the higher the pressure is. so vents there won't really vent. they'll just allow high pressure air to be shoved into the engine bay.

Very valid points, but I think clarification is in order. Pressure is the relationship of air density in a defined area to the density in another. In this case, underhood density vs overhood density. Every vehicle has radically different underhood air density than any other. These variables also change dramatically with vehicle speed, and cooling fan activity. Hood vents are generally of greatest use at very low speeds, with the fan active. Under those conditions, the vents are likely to be very effective, regardless of how far back they sit. Wind tunnel graphics that show high pressure in front of the windshield, are designed to show pressure variables outside the body. They are not an accurate depiction of pressure relative to underhood air density, or pressure. Older cars also tend to have very high underhood air density, as their front ends are much more open.

[paul12]

Very valid points, but I think clarification is in order. Pressure is the relationship of air density in a defined area to the density in another.

Not quite. Pressure is just force per unit area. It does not need to be related to another 'area' to be defined.

[BillyM]

...but differential pressure in respect to flow direction and velocity is.

Under-hood pressure will always be higher than over-hood at speed, even back near the windshield, and will, under almost ALL circumstances, cause the air to flow OUT of any sort of vents you add.

--billyM

[krednjen]

Then there is the venturi effect. But that might take a few pages to fully explain.

[SupraFiend]

...but differential pressure in respect to flow direction and velocity is.

Under-hood pressure will always be higher than over-hood at speed, even back near the windshield, and will, under almost ALL circumstances, cause the air to flow OUT of any sort of vents you add.

--billyM

mmmm not to my experience. I think xr4man got it right. Back when I was prototyping the original CFX hoods, we cut a vent into the liner at the base of the windshield and affixed streamers to determine if air would flow in or out at speed. With no scoop on the front and at speed, it would just suck air in. With the CFX scoop uncovered and no ducting in place the vent at the back finally began to vent air at speed, but it was extremely turbulent back there.

[BillyM]

*at speed Not 50mph, not stop and go traffic, SPEED. I also run sans-undertray, so I can't say how that changes things. I'd love to get a Manometer and test on different cars.

Another thing I've estimated is that the ride height of the car has a GREAT effect on under-hood pressures. Stock height might have and average of 5" ground clearance between the ground and the firewall. A car dropped two inches, like mine in track form, nearly halves the available escape route for air trapped in the engine bay.

Oh... and I love the hood-trunk. Very cool.

--billyM

[atmosphere414]

solid thats pretty cool

[SupraFiend]

50mph doesn't qualify as "at speed" for you? Well I hit up to about 100kmph during my testing. I should still have the vids around somewhere. The car was lowered at the time and probably had the under tray.

[Omg ninja]

this swap makes me want to puke. Due to anticipation ow anting to see it done. This is amazing. As a custom car builder and fabricator by trade i can respect (as well as im sure everyone else) the amount of work going into this. Well done! Keep up the good work.

[Crambo]

Got into some support mods :)
Yeah, headlights a bit in the way of cold air intakes, so I consider this essential work ;)

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage171.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage173.jpg

[SupraFiend]

ah you bastard, beat me to it on another mod thats been in my todo list for ages :p

[SupraLee]

Man, that's sweet.

[SupraDude117]

Did you just cut the middle section out of some old ones? Or did you find these bezels from another car? I've been wanting to put modified Ferrari F355 headlights on my Supra for years.

[Crambo]

Yes, those surrounds are stock ones cut down, I might squeeze them down some more but we will see, the mock ups with lights in look great. (IMO)
The grille is up for some mods too :)

[group a supra]

crambo what lights you gonna use

[Crambo]

You will have to wait and see, been looking for ages, bought some early rectangular ones (from a Tarago) but would be a lot of work for little gain. The ones I'm using are not particularly rare or expensive but a lot of modding.
Geez guys, I'll have to save some surprises till the end.

[Crambo]

The big ol' oil filter hangs about vertical, was in the way so I made an adaptor plate to rotate it out into the clear.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage174.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage175.jpg

BTW I "destroked" the pop up lights crank to 30mm radius and shortened the "conrods" by about 20mm.

[gteduck]

I love it Crambo !:thumbsup: It reminds me of the XU-2 prototype , another crazy arse aussie build. Jam the biggest engine you can find in the lightest shell you can get ! :woohoo:You gotta take it to Winton with the V.S.C........HOLY SHIT !!!!!!!!!

SUBSCRIBED :eatcorn::mm_beer::eatcorn::mm_beer::woot:

Luke

[Crambo]

Happy with the black :)

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage178.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage180.jpg

Got an adaptor plate, looking at a new to the market 9" twin plate, hope to sort this out soon, this has been an irritation for way too long!!!

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage177.jpg

[SupraFiend]

Nice work on those headers, they look really pro!

[Tire Shredder]

goes with out saying, but nice work on the headers! god I bet you can't wait to hear that thing fire up!

[Crambo]

Damn right I do, prob more than anything else, torque from idle should put a big smile on the dial.
Then there's the looks. "V12 badges...ahh BS", pop the hood, "ahh..errr, ok? a Toyota???WTF"

[foompla]

looks like an 8 series if your squinty?

[CLToy]

excellent work! wow...

[Crambo]

A bit more progress, also have arranged for 12 ITB's but they won't go on till a lot of other stuff is finalised.
The radiator fans are about 1/2" clear of engine and sway bar is mounted forward for good clearance from sump.
Exhaust is about 1/2 done.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage189.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage190.jpg

[Tire Shredder]

are you going to fire it with the stock throttle bodies first?

[SupraFiend]

looking awesome man!

A hoist is really essential for those shots, thats for sure lol.

Thats a huge sump

[Lee_MA61]

ballin', what did you pay for your 1GZ again?

[bwill]

waay sick. i check this almost everyday! keep it up broseph

[Crambo]

The exhaust is taking longer than I thought it would, maybe I should stop at this point :)
Gotta put a real muffler in the stock position, 3" one tho

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage192.jpg

[supra4life]

keep up the good work!

[xr4man]

what is that rear suspension from?

[Suruko]

what is that rear suspension from?

mk3 supra

[Crambo]

Thanks guys for the interest, got some more toys today.
To fit them I may have to fit a hood bulge, not happy.
So these babies might have to wait in the cupboard a while :(

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage193.jpg

[xr4man]

oh my! that's some serious car porn right there!

[SupraFiend]

Nice! Is there 2 sets of them or do they meant to be fitted to the stock intake and each feeds 2 cylinders?

[Crambo]

If I could mount them as low as that, there would be just clearance for the hood but the front 3 (well, front 6) clash with the COP ignition.
Will be having another look at the valley, a lot more to relocate like the injectors & fuel rails and have height issues still.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage194.jpg

[SupraFiend]

hmmm, maybe you can find a way to make them fit into the hood bulge with the hood bracing on the inside removed. Feed em with a scoop in the front maybe.

[cyhu]

You must of did this already. On AE86 when I swap 3sge or F20C I drop the crossmembers down a inch or so for hood and tunel clearence and rework the suspension afterwards. If you can spare the ground clearence its a option.

It would help for Your ITB setup and its simple. :P

Very nice setup I like

Charles
CP Performance
450 572 1686

[Crambo]

Charles, I did have a 10mm spacer on the crossmember but I took it out because of other suspension work.

I checked again and there is more space to the hood than I thought, I may be able to squeeze another 20mm, this will clear the COPs.
I'm prepared to cut the hump and raise it but I would rather not.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage197.jpg

[85_SupraJJS]

Man this is just amazing!

[cyhu]

Not a good pic but I space the crossmember then all the front where the sway bar pass
http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac247/greiggystyle/IMG_2459.jpg

http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac247/greiggystyle/IMG_2508.jpg

On that ae we actually added 1 inch to the table to discover mk2 where longer stock.. :P

[xr4man]

does that mk3 rear suspension just bolt on, or is there some modding involved?

[Tire Shredder]

does that mk3 rear suspension just bolt on, or is there some modding involved?

that's a resounding no. lots of work.

[Crambo]

The modding to get the subframe bolted in is one thing, but cutting up the body and reforming shock towers is a street of no return, if you don't have success, throw the car away.
There is a build thread I put on Toymods, I've had plenty say it's not worth it but I see it as an upgrade of geometry and mechanicals.

[xr4man]

ok, it just looked so clean from that pic, i couldn't tell if there was a bunch of modding or not. you did a fine job of putting it in there.

[Crambo]

Did you have a look at the cabin shot at the start of this thread, it is this area that the real work goes into the IRS.

Last exhaust pic I'll put up.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage199.jpg

[Lee_MA61]

I want to have your babies??

Those are some really nice manifolds along with the exhaust.

Good work :)

[clem]

what to say.... WOW:thumbsup:
this thread is amazing, you do real good work.
keep up and good luck for the next step.

[Little Wing]

:wabbit:bump for progress update???

[Crambo]

Havin' a lil trouble with photobucket ATM.

Got my pussy organic, sprung center 9" twin plate & chromoly fly, now I'm welding the floor back together as I cut a huge hole to fit the GM LS1 bell with single 12" clutch plate that I was originally going to use.

Now I have 16 ITBs, 12 is just boring!







(sorry, I will only use 12 of them)

[jefe_not]

I'm one of the many fans looking forward to some more photos!

Keep up the good work...

[Little Wing]

what do you do for a living??

[Crambo]

I work in airconditioning, 5 days a week, no wages go to this car.
Spare time/weekend work generates the $$$ for this thing and as a consequence there is less time to work on it :(

Some times motivation runs out, not much interest from the local country folk.
So I have to step back and look at it from different angles and visualise it finished and think "hmmm...yeah..this'll be great".
The enthusiastic feedback from the forum is a boost, that support makes me feel it's worth persisting.

[bevani]

crambo,

im keen as mustard to see you get this thing on the road. dam, id be happy to take some time off work for a holiday to drive to vic. just to see this beast. someone posted near the beginning of the thread saying something along the lines of "crazy australians will jam the biggest engine we can get into anything" or something along those lines...

this i belive to be true... lol

keep up the good work mate! its looking so good! think of how good it will be to drive down the street with that thing rumbling under the bonnet!

[SupraFiend]

Some times motivation runs out, not much interest from the local country folk.


Ah its like that everywhere. Only enthusiasts really appreciate these cars, but it is getting better. They're getting so old that people are starting to notice them as being very rare and unique. I'm always suprised by how many comments I get when driving around in my beater 85.

This thing though, is very cool. One look under the hood at any car show will get you plenty of attention.

[Little Wing]

crambo... i believe in you!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: i want a video when your finished. n shizz

[Crambo]

As you can see the shift and hand brake come back a ways, I like it, the console will be stretched to match up.

Fly/Clutch has 2 organic 9" plates, the total weight is 36.3lbs, the 12" GM stuff I bought is about 17lbs more and of course having a larger diameter for even more MOI.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1855/supragarage205.th.jpg (http://img295.imageshack.us/i/supragarage205.jpg/)
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/7241/supragarage202.th.jpg (http://img571.imageshack.us/i/supragarage202.jpg/)
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8696/supragarage201.th.jpg (http://img257.imageshack.us/i/supragarage201.jpg/)

[kmfdmk]

How... the HELL did I miss this thread!! Awesome work!! What'd you get the ITB's from?

And the bit about the Australians is true... I saw the video of the guy from Down Under that has a Rolls-Royce Merlin crammed into what used to be a 57 Chevy Bel-Air....

[gteduck]

That was me bevani, I was thinking back to the 350chev LJ's,460ford Rx4's,and who can forget Haddad's 532chev Capri I used to see at the street drags.:woot:

Would it help if we threw some work at you crambo so you can finish your project?. I'd love to see and here that thing up and running. :zzzzz:I need to get my A/C up and running in my mark 2 if you do car a/c.I'm out west past tulla airport.:laugh: Keep goin man , it'll be worth it.How far are you from firing up the donk.Once you here that you'll smile so hard the top of your head will fall off.:good::ptdr:

[Crambo]

To answer a few questions,
The itb's are Toyota quads.
I 've got some cash jobs (house a/c don't do car a/c) to keep the project going ok, just need the time to do it all.
Hope it's running within 2 months (but I've been thinking that for a long time!!)

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/5567/supragarage209.th.jpg (http://img638.imageshack.us/i/supragarage209.jpg/)

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[raven0840]

This is truly inspiring. A real work of genius and art. Thanks for sharing!

[Crambo]

Genius I wouldn't say but pleasure and pain, hmmm, mostly pain at this point.
I'm pleased to see people enjoy the folly.

No pics ready for this post, wiring up an finding hoses.

The Century up to 2005 had the hydraulic cooling fan, then switched to twin electric fans, in a week I should have the casting with the idler pulley to take the place of the hydraulic pump on the left side head, at last I can put my accessory belt on.

[fjoe40]

I see nothing wrong with the TPS sensors staying, while the throttle actuators go in the garbage. I say this assuming a stand alone system could give you the PWM's to still use any VVTi if equipped? I noticed that the throttles have the expected coolant lines under them but no idle control valve as they already have motors. A Toyota idle valve could be plumbed in nicely. When I saw these pictures in image search, I literally had chills. Screw the stock algorithms that buffer throttle input. If you have a V12, then then providence from the Horsepower Gods must not deny you the chance to snap open the lungs on that f@#ker! I think I'm getting light headed.

[Crambo]

Unfortunately, to make it road legal here, it must have all the pollution gear including stock ecu's, with that the DBW.
After it's licenced/registered you can do stuff but it still won't be legal, we'll see, first hurdle is to get it past engineers.

[GSBoek]

Was a long time since I visited this thread. Good to see it's making progress. More power to you!

[williamb82]

Happy with the black :)
Got an adaptor plate, looking at a new to the market 9" twin plate, hope to sort this out soon, this has been an irritation for way too long!!!

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage177.jpg


got more pics of this adaptor? does it bolt the trans to an a340e bellhousing? thats what it looks like. and your t56 is an lt1 t56 correct? or is it an ls1 trans?

[Crambo]

The adaptor pattern is what would be used for a 1UZ as the box end of the bell is the same although the V12 bell is a little longer.
The T56 was for LS2, the input shaft the is short variety, the longer version would be better.

Been a bit distracted with other stuff the last month but hope to be on top of the wiring asap.
I'll put up pics when a bit more is sorted.

I have been looking at tail lights and found some Mitsubishi ones but not many of these cars wrecked yet, a new set $1k+
Always a problem as the rear end is so flat compared to modern cars so curved, got some USA GM lights in mind too.

[Lil Jup]

wow, cant wait to see what it does when you get it running, looks like its gonna be beast

[Crambo]

This wiring is taking sometime, lately I have been de-wiring, ripping out wires not being used.
elect antenna
rear window defog
rear wiper & washer
elect door lock
a/c will be manual operation
a/c condenser fan
fog lights
original engine wiring
cruise control
Progress is happening, pics when there is less mess.

[jza65_clay]

Can you put 2jz cams in there? Assuming that this is 2 2JZs essentially sharing a block as it appears. That would be expensive...

[Crambo]

Unfortunately there is next to nothing shared with other Toyota motors,
there is no off the shelf go fast bits, can't even buy gaskets other than OEM.

[Lexusboy]

im surprised you can even buy OEM gaskets, i couldnt imagine trying to get that stuff here in the states!

i cant wait to see this on the road! oh and any website you could refer me to on those ITB's?

[Crambo]

The Toyota dealers that are willing to bring parts in for cars made for the Japanese market can get anything for them.
Full engine gaskets & seals kit under $650AUD, relative to other kits it's not too bad and about 2 weeks delivery.

The ITB's are from Toyota 4age silvertop I think, 12 from Japan, 4 from New Zealand (that was ebay) lot's of work to fit them up, way down on the list of priorities!

[Crambo]

Engine bay wiring is about done and a few hoses connected.
The engine is out to fit a longer input shaft to the box and a new alloy adapter plate is on the way from "Alloy Race Components" in my state.

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[SupraDude117]

Looks good, can't wait to hear that V12 sound! =)

-Dave

[Linchmob]

hell yea man, glad to see you still got that build going. Keep it up! i would like to see it run too. WOW that is cramming a motor in a car.

[DexterRogers]

man that thing looks good

[SupraFiend]

You know, it really doesn't look that tight to me. Maybe I'm just used to staring at the 1uz in my buddies ae86.

Very curious to see what your weight balance and curb weight will be when its all done.

[TheAmazingBlaze]

"Shit if one straight 6 is good... TWO must be twice as good"

Keep it coming! Can't wait to see the results of this. And like /\you/\ said the balance.

-Blaze-

[Crambo]

The width of the engine is no problem @ 60 degrees, length is not bad, height has been difficult.
Weight will not be a problem, like a 5ME, could be less as the front rides high on the springs, but there are no fluids in it yet.

Part of the engineering inspection to be done involves weigh front/rear ratio and brake tests.
Curb weight should only a little more than stock.
Engine - near stock
Gearbox - plus
Rear IRS cradle - less than stock
Diff/axles - plus

The width of the radiator and air boxes was a pain but I'm just whining.

[7mgt-66e]

That looks perfect. It's not that tight. Looks just like a 1UZ in the shorter Celica bay.

[GSBoek]

Fitment could have been worse, like on a 300ZX TT. :D

Looks right at home in there.

[Crambo]

I got the T56 longer input shaft, output yoke also a CableX all from the US, way less than here.

Got my cnc alloy adapter plate for the box just before xmas, a piece of art........
except the dowel holes are oversize!!!! will be fixed.....
when they open again on the 10th, bummer.

So my attention is on some body work:
Wheel flares pumped out wider.
Side skirts.
Building up a phat front lip....I like the results so far, it's been in my head for a long time.

[rabidchimp.com]

Just got caught up on this thread. Again, sweetness!
-Aaron

[Crambo]

This thread has been lacking pics, so here is some.
The lip was cut off and mounted forward 140mm and down about 25mm so it's just forward of the bumper.

The flares are also lower to match and bolted away from the body by 20mm at the top and 70mm at the bottom.
The metal infills will have poly filler to final shape then glass cloth & resin.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5306/supragarage006.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/i/supragarage006.jpg/)


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Seem to have left out the driving lights??? they must be around here somewhere!

[Muchbzy]

Sick! I just want to hear it! That sound coming out of a MK2 will be bad ass!

[SupraFiend]

damn you again, another couple things there on my list or similar to them at least :p

[Breadsticks14]

nothing can describe how I feel after looking at all these pictures. nothing.

[Crambo]

Got my adaptor plate back but now that I'm into the body I'll push along with the flares, rear bumper with diffuser.
The hatch (or more like a trunk) will take a bunch more hours.

SupraFiend, have you looked at clear front turn indicators instead of the amber?
I got some clearish diamond diffuser plastic sheet and heat moulded a corner to match the stock lights, like everything it will take some time but it will be a winner :)
It will look good with a white body or maybe a little tint job to go with the black nose.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage012-1.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Supragarage011-1.jpg

[deaf_rattle]

liking the flare work! keep it up

[SupraFiend]

SupraFiend, have you looked at clear front turn indicators instead of the amber?
I got some clearish diamond diffuser plastic sheet and heat moulded a corner to match the stock lights, like everything it will take some time but it will be a winner :)
It will look good with a white body or maybe a little tint job to go with the black nose.


Nope, have not and will not. IMO, that styling trend is long since dead. It was a big part of the late 90s early 2000s import craze that swept north america (as popularized by F&F). But hey, whatever makes people happy, whatever floats your boat. I've seen lots of pics of this modification done to Supras on this site. Some people seem to like it, but I've never cared much for any of the examples I've seen done. Lense modifications are really tricky. If it even looks a little home made it looks gehhto.

[ABQMK2]

OMG! this build thread is epic..thx for sharing..The MK3 rear assy. in a MK2 is inspiring me!

[afronippleyo]

I just spent 2 hours looking at every page in this thread... needless to say, I think I might have jizzed my my pants a lil. haha. I think I'm in love

[rdorman]

i like what youve done with the spotlights ;)

so, when its done, how about a cruise over to vic to see it, then a ma61 cruise? yes? :p

[Crambo]

Sure, I'd be up for a cruise, looking forward to taking this baby out,
wanting some manual shifting.
I live in Gippsland - 2hrs drive from Melbourne.

[Crambo]

Just a little update.
Continuing with the body works,
got some US tail lights but removed the plate lights to fit our wider plates and fitted Toyota Starlet plate lights below... more work than I thought but I think it's sweeet!

Rebuilding the rear hatch with improved style (IMHO) and a wider window.

Revising the pop ups, got them another 1/2" lower and re designed the assembly.

When I get the ass end with hatch in order, I post a pics.

[Aussie 7M]

you wouldn't happen to be the same guy on the supraforums doing this build would you? also let me know some numbers like power and cost cause i'm interested in doing this too and if you can get it road legal here in vic

[SlapFunkWarrior]

i will finally comment in this thread ....THIS IS SO E-P-I-C My Brain Hurts ...Just trying to imagine the exhaust not at 3k RPM's.


and just a quick question ..... what made you decide to go single exhaust and not dual?

[Crambo]

It's a little difficult with the stock fuel tank, I would have liked a central outlet but I have chosen the easy way.....for now.

OK, the sound, I don't want a "V8" rhythm, I prefer more "race" sound and have gone to lengths to gain this.
"180 degree" headers, "H" pipe between banks and finally joined at the rear should give me a smooth blend.
Find on youtube a Pagani Zonda, 4 pipes to a central outlet point.....sweet sound, that's my aim.

If it sounds like a rotary...I,..I,..I'll slash my wrists!!!

[SlapFunkWarrior]

now i understand why you went single...... sweet . i totaly understand what your going for. WiCkEdNeSs!

[Crambo]

Hey Aussie 7M, I missed your post, the plan is to have full, unrestriced registration and in Vic you can fit larger NA engines than this one.

AFAIK mine is the only MA61 (in Aus at least), a Melbourne guy bought one to do it, but sold the engine a few months later.

There is a number of V12 car conversions under construction in Aus,
some of the old ones are about to get going again......and one of the new ones is in a
Suzuki Mightyboy...wow.

Engines cost 4-6$k
Don't do it just for the power as there is better bang for buck engines than this.

[ke_70]

a v12 mightyboy! link now!!!!!

the dream swap <3

[Crambo]

There is some suff here that could be worth a look and New Zealand has 2 Toymodders doing an RA23 and a Crown

http://www.performanceforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67265378&page=2

[Crambo]

Have not posted a pic for a while so this one is the pop ups nearly done, way more time than I'd hoped and at the back is rear hatch version 2.
Was not happy so started a new hatch with new style.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Picture008-1.jpg

[Crambo]

Hatch version 2.0 has thinner side pillars and the hump more forward.
The center brake light is in the hump where as Ver 1.0 was above the key hole.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Crambobucket/Picture.jpg

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The recess and tube is for the light and wire as the 1" to 2" cavity will be foam filled.
The LED is white untill energized, which is cute since the body will be white.

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[SlapFunkWarrior]

looking good man . keep us posted !!! i am actually loving the look. makes me want to go find a hatch and get the shop to do one up for me....

[Tech26]

I definately want to see more pictures of the front bumper once it's painted and finished. I was so focused on the low profile headlights and the modified lower part of the front bumper I almost didn't notice the fog lights were gone! Are you not going to have fog lights at all?