Petition Toyota

[86SupraFan]

I'm assuming Dodge, Ford, and Chevy did their marketing research before investing in creating new retro muscle cars like the new Mustang, Charger, Challenger, and Camaro.

I say our 10,000 cs.com members worldwide petition Toyota to bring back a new retro MkII Supra! And I'm not talking about something like the Lexus proto-type -- which would be obscenely expensive. I mean a reasonably priced retro supra like the American car makers are doing. It seems that Toyota's quest to create the best street legal mass produced super sports car (the MkIV in its day), has priced them right out of the market. Meanwhile, Nissan seems to be selling plenty of 350Z's -- I see them all the time in the Seattle area.

I guess "reasonably priced" is a relative term. Even if a lot of us can't afford to buy a retro MkII, I want to see them on the street. And maybe we could afford them when they are 5 years old. I bet they would sell.

Our MkII's shared the essesentials of the Cressida, so Toyota could repeat this cost saving measure by creating a Supra shell that shared the chasis, engine and drive train of Camry or something, with performance upgrade options.

Does anyone have the time or desire to find out how to get our message to the right ears at Toyota's corporate headquarters in Japan? Do the Toyota exec.s even know about our community and how many avid MkII fans there are? Would any of you join in a petition or letter writing campaign for Toyota to produce a retro MkII?

[silverton]

I think they are going the right route with the Prius. I'd rock one. Not the '10 model since they have tuned the performance down a bit.

[WadeT]

I actually got banned/blocked from the youtube ToyotaUSA site for my comments. It was something along the line of:
"the lineup sucks ass now. Where's the performance? Where's the fun? Bring back the turbo Supra!" Shortly after, my comments were deleted and my account blocked - the account used to post my race vids..

They're all about prius's and other boring vehicles. It's useless. Toyota is a business and if there's no solid business case for performance cars, then there won't be any.

[86SupraFan]

I just don't understand how we are seeing Mustangs, Chargers, Challengers, Camaros, and 350Z's on the road then???

I mean, someone could argue, yeah, but the American car makers are going bankrupt, aren't they?

But Nissan is doing fine (arent' they?). Toyota can't be the only manufacturer that has no market share for sports cars. They just made the last Supra way too expensive. They need to make a decent sports car for the masses, not an exotic supercar for their egos.

And besides Nissan, look how many people out there are buying Suburu WRX's.

[pimptrizkit]

who know's maybe in a few year's scion will put out a rwd turbo plateform to compette with hyduai. genises. or what ever it's name is.

they have to have a car to apeal to younger crowds or they will lose market potential. i think it's stupid they are chosing not to compete. but to just attemp to take the truck market and min van, aswell as sedan.

i think toyota should start making more base modle option's. so they push more base modles to help cover their sport's car line again . i dont mind platic dash pad's in the 2wd trucks

[mk2_suprafan]

dont think itll ever happen... toyota is selling plenty of cars just keeping their boring, reliable, fuel efficient line up. for the "performance minded" type you have the reliable, fuel efficient scion lineup, which basically gives a good base for aspiring ricers as performance mods are pretty much non existent to get any decent power out of them.

ford has never stopped the mustang, but kicked down the performance enough to where their gt mustang was still kind of a joke. chevy should have never stopped the camaro, and actually listened to customers who said bring it back. dodge, well, fuck dodge, the challenger is ugly, and the charger is just a rebadges intrepid with a v8 option. nissan was in trouble for a while, getting their asses handed to them in sales by toyota, and almost had to turn to the performance scene. the 350/370z's are nice, but are kinda limited due to no back seat (people's little kids like to have fun too).

honestly, even if you could find 10k people to petition, i think toyota would just laugh at it... now if you had, say, 10 million people petitioning, toyota might do something. I understand brand loyalty and all, but there are all kinds of performance options out there outside of toyota.

[rsdeo]

They're all about prius's and other boring vehicles. It's useless. Toyota is a business and if there's no solid business case for performance cars, then there won't be any.

What he said... Like the new avatar Wade.

[SilverMk2]

Sports cars are going to be dead here soon. The US government has pretty much dictated now that you'll never see any sporty car big engine car again (without paying big bucks) with their new fuel economy standards. If the new fuel economy standards actually go into effect its going to be like 1971 all over again. Basically anything starting development now will have to be a Prius like car or even better mileage car to meet the standards. That's why I'm pushing to pick up a performance car here soon. I think all the Z06s, ZR1s, etc are going away here soon (especially with the Detriot 3 bankrupt)

Hopefully with the new top management staff in place maybe Toyota will change directions from building automotive refrigerators. In case you didn't know they just canned about 40% of their top guys and a new CEO is taking the helm. You got to figure these were the guys probably making the decisions the last 10 years or so.

There is something to be said about ignoring the small chunk of enthusiast market. 10 years ago I would have considered nothing but buying a Toyota. Now that I'm looking at buying another car again they aren't even on the radar IMO.

[smokeprism]

you know, we have a guy that stores his cars with us, and he comes in and swaps them out time to time. anyways, he is one of the guys that DESIGNS the new toyota cars.

he was telling me about the new subaru/toyota car they were making, i'm sure you have heard of it. anyways, the american side of the team, designed one badass machine, it was priced right, and he figured it was going to be a no brainer. well, he said when they sent the plans to the Japanese, they f!@#!$ it all up. They don't want to sell a tuned up badass performance car. they are all about that MPG.

[Sparky]

Yep, Toyota is in the automotive appliance market. Sports cars have no place in that. Even apparently pseudo sporty family cars (aka Solara). Remember, with no sportcars/performance halo cars Toyota has become #1 worldwide. I don't see them changing soon based on that.

[vdkk]

Toyota and Subaru is making a new AE86 corolla should be in show rooms soon. Its been in the works for a while now. Subaru chasis with toyota motor.
Its gonna be a badass 4 banger thats rwd and light.

I will be the first to buy one! But as for the supra.. They had one at the tokyo car show a concept vehicle check google there are videos of it on the track testing.. Its no cheapy though. Audi R8 status thought. v10 twinturbo crazyness.

[Greg G]

Does anyone have the time or desire to find out how to get our message to the right ears at Toyota's corporate headquarters in Japan? Do the Toyota exec.s even know about our community and how many avid MkII fans there are? Would any of you join in a petition or letter writing campaign for Toyota to produce a retro MkII?

Good luck with this Curt... I see it really working out well. :sarcasm:

[celica fanatic]

I would join in this..

[kazuma83]

Sports cars are going to be dead here soon. The US government has pretty much dictated now that you'll never see any sporty car big engine car again (without paying big bucks) with their new fuel economy standards. If the new fuel economy standards actually go into effect its going to be like 1971 all over again. Basically anything starting development now will have to be a Prius like car or even better mileage car to meet the standards. That's why I'm pushing to pick up a performance car here soon. I think all the Z06s, ZR1s, etc are going away here soon (especially with the Detriot 3 bankrupt)

Hopefully with the new top management staff in place maybe Toyota will change directions from building automotive refrigerators. In case you didn't know they just canned about 40% of their top guys and a new CEO is taking the helm. You got to figure these were the guys probably making the decisions the last 10 years or so.

There is something to be said about ignoring the small chunk of enthusiast market. 10 years ago I would have considered nothing but buying a Toyota. Now that I'm looking at buying another car again they aren't even on the radar IMO.

We could still have high-performance cars after the new energy standard goes into effect here if the auto-manufacturers would adopt the Lotus philosophy of building SUPER lightweight cars with smaller-sized motors. The Elise is a PERFECT example of this aforementioned philosophy, as it gets HELLA good mileage (minus the supercharged version), and I truly believe that is the direction that most sports cars should take in the future.

[leford4]

I would love to see the Supra come back. I don't know if it would do any good to try, but you never know.

[SilverMk2]

We could still have high-performance cars after the new energy standard goes into effect here if the auto-manufacturers would adopt the Lotus philosophy of building SUPER lightweight cars with smaller-sized motors. The Elise is a PERFECT example of this aforementioned philosophy, as it gets HELLA good mileage (minus the supercharged version), and I truly believe that is the direction that most sports cars should take in the future.

It looks like they only get about about 30mpg max so they would be 10mpg short of the new standards. That's a huge jump from an Energy POV. Besides I don't think the majority of American will even fit in the Elise. The one I drove my head stuck out of the roof and I had to damn near climb out of the roof.

I wish there was someone in government that actually understood what they were doing before pushing these laws. Automotive technology is pretty mature at this point. The engines are basically maxxed out so you aren't getting anything there. Diesel is the obvious answer, but emission laws nuke that choice. Weight is an obvious answer, but within safety and cost restraints is tough to minimize. Hybrids are probably what will be the choice so you can have a 1 L engine in a car.

I can't wait till 2016 in the state of Texas when the only choice will be a whole range of Prius and Smart cars. I still laugh when I talk with our Texas guys at work and they are all driving Ford F 9 billion 50 truck around :D

[Malibyte]

I think they are going the right route with the Prius. I'd rock one. Not the '10 model since they have tuned the performance down a bit.

I saw an article not too long ago by someone who had slapped a turbo on a Prius and gotten 220 whp out of it. Not too shabby, but:

(1) Won't pass the smog Nazis here in Kalifornia
(2) It's still FUGLY

[CarFreek]

Sports cars are going to be dead here soon. The US government has pretty much dictated now that you'll never see any sporty car big engine car again (without paying big bucks) with their new fuel economy standards. If the new fuel economy standards actually go into effect its going to be like 1971 all over again. Basically anything starting development now will have to be a Prius like car or even better mileage car to meet the standards. That's why I'm pushing to pick up a performance car here soon. I think all the Z06s, ZR1s, etc are going away here soon (especially with the Detriot 3 bankrupt)

Hopefully with the new top management staff in place maybe Toyota will change directions from building automotive refrigerators. In case you didn't know they just canned about 40% of their top guys and a new CEO is taking the helm. You got to figure these were the guys probably making the decisions the last 10 years or so.

There is something to be said about ignoring the small chunk of enthusiast market. 10 years ago I would have considered nothing but buying a Toyota. Now that I'm looking at buying another car again they aren't even on the radar IMO.In 1971, They declared performance was dead, after unleaded fuel/low compression change over. In 1975, New rollover standards "killed the convertible". In 1978, New emissions/safety standards led to 150hp Corvettes. In 1983, A whole wave of MPG shitboxes(Festiva, Fiesta, etc) were the ONLY cars that had a future. Crystal Balls are notoriously murky, the legislations ink is not dry, Do not sell everything you own and Invest in the Tesla, not just yet.........Go Hyundai! They are serving the small RWD niche quite ably, 20 years ago, that was INCONCEIVABLE.

[one2spooku]

In 1971, They declared performance was dead, after unleaded fuel/low compression change over. In 1975, New rollover standards "killed the convertible". In 1978, New emissions/safety standards led to 150hp Corvettes. In 1983, A whole wave of MPG shitboxes(Festiva, Fiesta, etc) were the ONLY cars that had a future. Crystal Balls are notoriously murky, the legislations ink is not dry, Do not sell everything you own and Invest in the Tesla, not just yet.........Go Hyundai! They are serving the small RWD niche quite ably, 20 years ago, that was INCONCEIVABLE.

This is True

[ra24man]

Patience is the key...Toyota and appliances go hand in hand...its what has contributed to their rise in market share over the years. For what ever you may think Curt, we performance enthusiasts are NOT the majority, so it looks like Toyota has done a pretty good job with their market analysis thus far.

For all those bitching about the future 35MPG standards...learn yourself something. The 35MPG rating is 'fleetwide' meaning that a manufacturer's entire line of cars, when averaged together, must meet 35MPG...not every car. That means for every Tundra Toyota sells, they need to sell two Prius to make the average per say. 25MPG vehicles are not going to disappear completely, but the balance has to be there obviously.

[Supra Ev]

I honestly don't see it happening but, of all sports cars it'd be the big hit, and the key is the most popular classic model:
Ford-Mustang (no brainer)
Dodge-Charger first then Challenger (probably the two biggest dodge CAR names)
Chevy-Camaro (again obviously chosen)
Nissan-GTR (following the biggest if not second to 240sx Nissan sports car model Skyline)

Now Toyota should definitely follow, but I think they should follow classic lines, I mean the MkII with a few tweaks to body and driveline, when that concept Supra exploded in popularity on youtube a while ago.... I thought it looked like ass, it was all edgy and hella aggressive. I mean yes, the Supras are aggressive, but not overly edgy, the MKIV is pretty round all around, then MKII-MKIII were a little more boxy but not overly edgy and aggressive. I think bring it back, but not too futuristic. Everyone loves classy lines, I had 3 people come to me while at Toyota say they loved my car, "best lines from toyota period"

I highly doubt they'll bring back the Supra, although that would be an amazing come back, like probably one of the most popular sports car sales if brought back properly, and not by Lexus. Toyota is infact getting killed by everyone, I mean remember maybe 5 years ago when we all laughed our asses off at Hyundai and Kia, now look at them the accent runs shit, the genesis has been pretty big so far along with some of the new hyundai models, I still laugh at kia, but thats me.

I'm down to put up a petition, maybe we should just all rally up together, Supras across the board... and go find the US reps for Toyota, and Canadian Reps. When they see the... xxxxxxxx amounts of supras.... they may start thinking.

[R955]

there were some comments about mustangs being a joke, and camaros and what not, Right now ther are more performance cars available than any time in american history, check your ets from the newer model cars they are faster than any stock production vehicle made in the 60's or 70's, and I dont mean one off factory built race cars either, I mean what you could buy at the dealership. The new 370 z will run deep in the 13's the new mustang gt deep in the 13's even the overweight GTO was a 13 second car2004 model and the newer ones had an additional 55 hp, the WRX Not the STI is a damn good performing new stock reasonably priced vehicle, there are alot of choices just none from Toyota, it sucks, but look back they never really had anything that fast until the high dollar twin turbo supras, corrolla gt-s in stock form is a turd(I still love it though), and all the supra's until the twin turbo version are slow as well, its depressing , I think they are some of the best looking cars ever made, they handle well stop well, look fantastic, but unfortunately are pathetically slow (1/4 mile anyway) I am just happy they didnt make a blue million of them that way when I roll up with my old ass 83 or the 75 its guaranteed to be the only one there!! cant say that about a camaro or mustang for that matter. Maybe when the younger generation gets to the point of driving the market, they will demand a sportier toyota, till that time enjoy the prius.

[Malloy]

I cant wait till Toyota starts to copy Hyundai ;)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y208/MkIIMike/hin5.jpg

['85 supra]

Genisus!!!! Rocking a 8 cyl. Nice how the body line breaks at the door

[lechner]

I can't wait till 2016 in the state of Texas when the only choice will be a whole range of Prius and Smart cars. I still laugh when I talk with our Texas guys at work and they are all driving Ford F 9 billion 50 truck around :D I don't see Texas giving up there trucks. It's yet another States Rights issue where the Federal government is sticking there nose in too deep. One thing I really like about the state of Texas is they won't just bend over for whatever piece of legislation the Federal government is trying to force on them. Fact is, if the truck is made in Texas (like almost all the Tundra's down there), then it does not fall under Interstate Commerce and the Federal government has no jurisdiction.


For all those bitching about the future 35MPG standards...learn yourself something. The 35MPG rating is 'fleetwide' meaning that a manufacturer's entire line of cars, when averaged together, must meet 35MPG...not every car. That means for every Tundra Toyota sells, they need to sell two Prius to make the average per say. 25MPG vehicles are not going to disappear completely, but the balance has to be there obviously.True, but what this really requires is that every NEW model has to exceed the standard so they can continue to sell some of their old models that don't. Reality: There won't be R & D $ for new models that don't exceed the standard.