1994 Acura/Honda Integra

[DreadyDiggs]

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So today my girl and I are hanging out with my best friend and his fiancee. We shoot a lil pool then head to his girl's sister's house to watch a DVD. He and I take the Tegra back to his house to pick up the DVD (we were dropping the girls off haha). Pull up in his yard and I notice smoke coming from the headlights. Grab a flashlight and pop the hood, and look around and it's coming from the back of his radiator (closest to the front bumper, if that's the front whatever haha). Puddle of water (pretty sure it's water) on the ground, and steam constantly shooting out right beside passenger headlight. A/C wasn't on. Since we noticed this after the engine had been running, wasn't about to check the coolant level.

The puddle on the ground had no odor to it, the smoke/steam did. Car was running hot too, when I told him to check his temp. Not on the H, but definitely past normal operating temp. Parked it and drove his mom's car back over there.

I'm about to do some research now about (I wanna try and tackle this), but I'm asking for help as well.

It's a dual fan setup, the stock setup I'm sure. Mods to the car are short shifter, K&N air filter and aftermarket pipe (non CAI), header, and 3" or 3.5" exhaust. He bought it like this, none of the mods he's done. Just got a new front crossmember put on the car, hasn't been driven much since he got it (issue after issue, including this one). He was smart enough to leave his Haynes Manual in C-Ville.

[moonpie33]

waterpump failed :(

[scorpmatt]

Acura Integra, the Buick of sports cars! :zzzzz:

In all seriousness, it does sound like the waterpump went out. Happened on my old 82 accord, not fun times.

[DreadyDiggs]

He's gonna be pissed I tell him that haha. I think he spent 5 G's on this car just to acquire it. It was pieced back together after being totaled, will probably never achieve a "perfect" alignment. New crossmember has helped a lot, but his frame would need to be straightened. He knew it had been wrecked before he bought it.

Not to mention his big ass exhaust has melted the area of his bumper surrounding it, just failed inspection for headlights (he's ordered new ones), and tint is illegal. He also bought racing seats for it that are heavier and less comfortable than his freaking stock seats. They're now for sale.

If everyone is saying waterpump that's good (a general consensus is good). I want to work on cars, but am trying to learn to properly diagnose issues. It'll come. Will try and get over there with some daylight tomorrow. Any other ideas toss them. They are appreciated.

[suprarunner18]

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So today my girl and I are hanging out with my best friend and his fiancee. We shoot a lil pool then head to his girl's sister's house to watch a DVD. He and I take the Tegra back to his house to pick up the DVD (we were dropping the girls off haha). Pull up in his yard and I notice smoke coming from the headlights. Grab a flashlight and pop the hood, and look around and it's coming from the back of his radiator (closest to the front bumper, if that's the front whatever haha). Puddle of water (pretty sure it's water) on the ground, and steam constantly shooting out right beside passenger headlight. A/C wasn't on. Since we noticed this after the engine had been running, wasn't about to check the coolant level.

The puddle on the ground had no odor to it, the smoke/steam did. Car was running hot too, when I told him to check his temp. Not on the H, but definitely past normal operating temp. Parked it and drove his mom's car back over there.

I'm about to do some research now about (I wanna try and tackle this), but I'm asking for help as well.

It's a dual fan setup, the stock setup I'm sure. Mods to the car are short shifter, K&N air filter and aftermarket pipe (non CAI), header, and 3" or 3.5" exhaust. He bought it like this, none of the mods he's done. Just got a new front crossmember put on the car, hasn't been driven much since he got it (issue after issue, including this one). He was smart enough to leave his Haynes Manual in C-Ville.

3 or 3.5 inch exhaust? thats rediculously big for an itt bitty 4 banger

[silverton]

I'm going to vote against waterpump. Remember, the waterpump is going to be on the driver side of the engine, I'm going to say something is screwy with the radiator. If it were the waterpump It'd be on the ground by the driver side tire. Check the thermostat, and let the car run in the driveway til it gets to operating temp, during the day time, and look to see where it's coming from.

[DreadyDiggs]

For the exhaust, like I said, he bought it like that haha. I mentioned today that the Supra is RWD, and he looked at me like he had thought previously it was FWD, he almost had a look of disappointment on his face.

RWD FTW haha. I gotta look out for him though, so I'm gonna do my best.

EDIT, yea I'm gonna get over there tomorrow hopefully. Puddle definitely formed on passenger side right behind the headlight, which is right beside part of the radiator. I'll bring a camera with me.

[scorpmatt]

either the rad or maybe the return hose has a nice spray leak? Didn't catch that it was pass side. lol

[DRIFTINGmy85]

Check the hose clamps, the hoses, and the radiator for leaks. The easiest way is to get a 'coolant system pressure tester.' It's a pump the hooks up to the radiator opening that pressurizes the cooling system so you can check for leaks without getting the system to operating temperature. That means you wont burn the crap out of yourself. You can buy the tester or your local parts store should be able to rent it to you. I know that Autozone has a tool rental program and they should have it. When you do test it don't pass what the radiator cap is capable of handling, or don't pass it by very much. If the cap is 13 lbs then go to 15 lbs, don't go to 20 or more. The cap is designed to be the first line of safety and without the cap hooked up and the pump on it there is no safety and you can damage other parts of the system.

[silverton]

waterpump failed :(
transverse engine, the front is next to the driver side fender, he said water was in front of the radiator.

In all seriousness, it does sound like the waterpump went out. Happened on my old 82 accord, not fun times.
Again, tranverse engine, coolant/water is in front of radiator, not by the driver side fender

either the rad or maybe the return hose has a nice spray leak? Didn't catch that it was pass side. lol
And now the problem is reread!

Sorry to post again in the thread but I was too tired last night to be a dick. Read the issues, and realize it's not about a supra, that way we don't have people just throwing parts at it and then crying back to us saying it's still doing it.

[scorpmatt]

transverse engine, the front is next to the driver side fender, he said water was in front of the radiator.

Again, tranverse engine, coolant/water is in front of radiator, not by the driver side fender

And now the problem is reread!

Sorry to post again in the thread but I was too tired last night to be a dick. Read the issues, and realize it's not about a supra, that way we don't have people just throwing parts at it and then crying back to us saying it's still doing it.

i know i mentioned my 82 previously, but some FWD engines are mounted with the front of the engine facing the passenger side of the car. I owned one of those cars for a very brief time.

[Sparky]

Yep, VWs are definitely pointed at the passenger side, so a large number of transverse engines out on the road are pointed that way. However, IIRC the one on the Integra is driver's side (been awhile since I've been under hood in a Honda).

[scorpmatt]

i think alot, if not all, honda fwd engines are pointed at the driver's side.

[dannymk2]

wipe everything down and run the car and see if you can spot the leak. that would be my first move. next would be to pressure test it like driftingmy85 said.

[silverton]

Yep, VWs are definitely pointed at the passenger side, so a large number of transverse engines out on the road are pointed that way. However, IIRC the one on the Integra is driver's side (been awhile since I've been under hood in a Honda).


i think alot, if not all, honda fwd engines are pointed at the driver's side.

My escort was pointed at the passenger side. integras/majority of hondas are pointed toward the driver side, I've been under the hood of an integra recently so my memory is a bit fresh.

[DreadyDiggs]

You guys are correct, it is pointed at the driverside, while my 96 Altima (giving to my brother) is pointed at the passenger side.

He didn't hit me up today so I didn't head over there. Maybe tomorrow haha.

[Cap'n 2jz]

radiator cap faulty? excess pressure forced a split in the rad hose?

[scorpmatt]

you know, i had a major brain fart here. My 07 fit has the the motor facing the passenger side. The k20 honda engine also faces the passenger side. My 82 accord's engine faced the driver's side.

[SilverMk2]

All pre K and L series Honda Engines are reverse rotation so they are opposite what most front wheel drive cars have.

[DreadyDiggs]

Well I found out why he hadn't called me to help him. He checked the coolant level like I told him. It took him a half-gallon of water to top it back off and fill the overflow up.

So yea, he had been running low. He says no problems since doing so, and he will be draining the water to put in 50/50 soon, most likely with my help.

The question is-and the car has mostly sat in the yard-why was it low?

[silverton]

Maybe it was like that when he bought it? But his trips just haven't been long enough for it to overheat?

[DreadyDiggs]

Last year, or maybe it was 07, I can't remember honestly I think it was 07, we took a 3+ hour drive up to Charlottesville and then drove the 3+ hours back. He drove the Integra, I followed in my Altima. Had to be 07, cause I didn't buy the Supra til June last year.

His car had no issues of overheating during the trip.

[silverton]

It could still have a slight leak. Have him take it to a shop and get the cooling system checked out. Even with a small leak, it could be leaking onto a hot car component, aka engine, and you wouldn't have any puddles.

[scorpmatt]

do him a favor, when he goes 50/50, make sure he fully drains the system and only uses distilled water. water from your tap/garden hose is bad mmkay?

[alfun]

do him a favor, when he goes 50/50, make sure he fully drains the system and only uses distilled water. water from your tap/garden hose is bad mmkay?
This is what I thought too, but I asked my teacher and he said regular water is fine. Why is water from the tap/garden hose bad?

[silverton]

non-distilled water can catch electric current from the wires surrounding it. electric current in your cooling water is bad.

[DreadyDiggs]

I believe he's gonna buy some 50/50 pre-made Antifreeze stuff. I myself would rather do that then risk putting in a solution I think is 50/50 but is actually 60/40. Might blow my car up haha.

Is the pre-mixed stuff not good? I thought it was fine.

[silverton]

premixed stuff is fine, just more expensive.

[scorpmatt]

premix is fine, they use distilled water. Tap water has lots of minerals in it that cause erosion (rust) inside an engine. Not good things. I have taken off a water pump to find liquid rust behind it.

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[scorpmatt]

premixed stuff is fine, just more expensive.

premix is CHEAPER than full antifreeze.

[silverton]

premix is CHEAPER than full antifreeze.

No it's not.

[scorpmatt]

No it's not.

ugh, are you going to start this damn shit again?

put it plain and simple.

If you go into the store and you need a bottle for a quick refill, a premix will run you maybe $10. A bottle of pure antifreeze will run you, at the cheapest, $12.

I have seen premix for less than $6 before.

If you are going to create your own mix, and you don't want to go with a 25/75 setup, then yes, full antifreeze is cheaper. But this is the only way that it is.

Bottle for bottle, gallon for gallon, premix is, and always will be, cheaper.

[silverton]

25/75? wut?

you take one gallon of premixed 50/50 antifreeze. and you have only one gallon of premixed antifreeze

you take one gallon of 100% antifreeze, and you mix it yourself with 1 gallon of distilled water. You have two gallons of 50/50 mixed antifreeze.

Hmm.... 20$ buying two gallons of premixed antifreeze... versus buying a 12-15 dollar bottle of one gallon antifreeze and being able to make two gallons with it.

[one2spooku]

In all Reality Distilled Water is the Cheapest!!!http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd226/One2spooku/16.gif

[scorpmatt]

25/75? wut?

you take one gallon of premixed 50/50 antifreeze. and you have only one gallon of premixed antifreeze

you take one gallon of 100% antifreeze, and you mix it yourself with 1 gallon of distilled water. You have two gallons of 50/50 mixed antifreeze.

Hmm.... 20$ buying two gallons of premixed antifreeze... versus buying a 12-15 dollar bottle of one gallon antifreeze and being able to make two gallons with it.

25/75 = 1 gallon premix 50/50 combined with 1 gallon distilled water. $10 + $.75 = $10.75 Premix IS cheaper.

[DRIFTINGmy85]

I agree that it's cheaper to buy a full gallon of antifreeze and mix with water.
For non-mechanic type people I recommend premix stuff. For us, mix it yourself.

[one2spooku]

I agree that it's cheaper to buy a full gallon of antifreeze and mix with water.
For non-mechanic type people I recommend premix stuff. For us, mix it yourself.

For Us????

Who the f**k is us????

mixing anti-freeze doesn't require a degree or mechanical skills
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[scorpmatt]

For Us????

Who the fuck is us????

mixing anti-freeze doesn't require a degree or mechanical skills
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when you see someone standing in the antifreeze aisle staring at 2 bottles, one premix and one straight antifreeze, and they are asking "what is the difference"... that is the one's he is talking about.

[one2spooku]

That isn't Mechanical, that is ignorance.

Reading Does Wonders!!!


Click Aerodynamics in my Sig, I don't like being grouped with this guy Mechanicallyhttp://planetsmilies.net/tongue-smiley-8866.gif

[DRIFTINGmy85]

We are us. They are not. :thumbsup:

[one2spooku]

Just dragging on the argument that Matt and Dennis had last night.

This thread about DreadyDiggs friends car failure has turned into a huge thread jack thing.

[scorpmatt]

:eekfacepalm:

lol

we discovered that if you mount your mud flaps on the front part of the fender it will keep the air from hitting the tires.

[DRIFTINGmy85]

It's the only way to mount them if you want to be jdm tight :eek4dance:
Just noticed the model I'm making doesn't have mud flaps.

[scorpmatt]

It's the only way to mount them if you want to be jdm tight :eek4dance:

jdm car's don't have the flairs, it won't work! :ugh:

[one2spooku]

Fail!!!

[DRIFTINGmy85]

Alright, I withdraw... :runaway:

[scorpmatt]

Alright, I withdraw... :runaway:

man, it's already too late. you've already fired your load..... :SM130 (1):

[DreadyDiggs]

Wow, two pages of arguing about antifreeze haha. That was funny as hell.

[scorpmatt]

Wow, two pages of arguing about antifreeze haha. That was funny as hell.

we provide the entertainment

[DreadyDiggs]

Aight guys, to clarify one thing about his car. I said 3.5" exhaust.

It's 2.5" piping with 3.5" tailpipe. Magnaflow stuff.

[scorpmatt]

Aight guys, to clarify one thing about his car. I said 3.5" exhaust.

It's 2.5" piping with 3.5" tailpipe. Magnaflow stuff.

ah, that's a small tip for a honduh.

[silverton]

You definitely know small tips huh Matt?

So, has your friend done any poking around trying to find the leak? If it leaked once, it's obviously a problem that can only get worse.

[DreadyDiggs]

He hasn't done any poking. He's seriously gonna play it close to the chest. He's got Hondah 50/50 Antifreeze in the garage (he didn't even know it when he put water in), so he'll drain it and put that in soon.

He's about to put a nice amount of miles on the car in just a few days, well nice cause it hasn't been driven much lately. He's got three 3.5 hour drives he's gonna have to make in less than a week.

Being out of money, he's just hoping that checking his coolant level everyday is sufficient for now. He's also looking for a steamer to remove his 5% tint, again, he bought it like that haha. Doesn't want to get anymore tickets for it, Charlottesville probably won't be as lenient as home.

[dannymk2]

steamer to remove tint? heat gun, razor blade, and a good cleaner/degreaser is what ive used in the past.

[DreadyDiggs]

He read about it on Team-Integra and a few other ideas so I guess he's going to go with that one. I'm probably not helping him with the tint so I ain't worried about it haha.

[scorpmatt]

You definitely know small tips huh Matt?

between dealing with you and chimpy, yeah, i know small tips. :zzzzz:

[DreadyDiggs]

Bad news guys.

After we put in his new headlights (what caused him to fail inspection) he was gonna take it to get reinspected today. Rejection sticker expired Saturday so he hasn't gone anywhere with it for real.

Anyways, he just texted me saying it was smoking after idling about 10 mins. Bap Geon sells his radiator for $110. He's gonna check the coolant/water level in a few and get back to me. I pitched getting the "coolant system pressure tester", so we'll see what happens. But she's definitely benched until he fixes this haha. Oh, and he didn't confirm if it was running hot or not (I guess he's not one to look at his gauges).