got a speeding ticket yesterday

[williamb82]

well on the way home from my friends house a sherif pulled to make a u turn right before i got to him. i looked at my speedo and it said 65 and i know it reads 5mph fast as ive verified it with my gps. well i didnt think anything of it figured he was turning around for his area. well he turned his lights on and pulled me over. said i was going 72, then gave me a ticket for going 73 in a 55. said i can pay it, go to court or take driving school and pay less and no points. itll be 4 points otherwise. thing is i KNOW i wasnt going that fast plus he put a diff speed on the ticket from what he had origonally told me and when i mentioned it to him he got kinda quiet then said "it doesnt matter. its the same fine either way"

what pisses me off is ive never had a speeding ticket and havent had a ticket at all in like 8 years. i said that too him and he said yeah i saw that. and to top it off i was in the slowest car i own. seems these cops are out to suplement their budget cuts by as many tickets possible. i saw tons of people pulled over after i got my ticket.

this really sucks. i dont have the money to pay it, but before i even try im gonna look into it to see if i have a good chance at getting it thrown out or not.

[fortysixandtwo]

Try fighting it... if he told you one speed then wrote down another I would bring that up in court. Might waste some of your time having to go sit in court a few times but in the end if you win it would be worth it.

I was in Napa auto parts recently and the guy in front of me was telling the counter girl how his best friend is a CHP and that all across the country cops are being ordered to write tickets for anything and everything. So you gotta be extra careful out there right now, cuz they are gonna try and get you for whatever they can...

[83CelWA]

The only ticket I have so far is something like that, 41 in a 35 after a corner 0630 while heading to work (not in a hurry), going uphill. I have it deffered, so as long as I do not get another ticket, the old one will not go on my record.

So yeah, take it to court, depending on the laws down there, you shoul be able to pay a reduced fine (will be up to the judge), and deffer it so as long as you keep clean, it will go away.

[BillyM]

If you honestly know you were going under 63, I'd fight the shit out of it.

--billyM

[DRIFTINGmy85]

..I have it deffered, so as long as I do not get another ticket, the old one will not go on my record.
... and deffer it so as long as you keep clean, it will go away.

I hate how courts do this. They tried to get me to agree to something like this.
When you say "it will go away" do you mean it will just never surface or actually after an amount of time it will go away?


Sorry to hear about the ticket william, personally I would fight it! Good luck!

[85supra15]

I deff. agree with BillyM on this one.

[williamb82]

well the court down here sucks. the judge always takes the cops word. from what ive found so far id be better off just taking the driving school and paying the reduced fine. if i go to court the reduced fine would be the same as the onei get for doing driving school plus id have to pay court costs. unless i hear from a lawyer that the fact he told me one speed and wrote down another will get it thrown out altogether, ill just do the 4hrs playing on the pc and pay the reduced cost. it sucks but yeah, cops are dicks and just trying to keep as much cash as possible flowing into their system. you should see how many "stings" theyve been doing. drug stings, child porn, prostitution, gambling, etc... busting everyone they can to get all the money they can since their budget has been cut.

[supergregotti]

well on the way home from my friends house a sherif pulled to make a u turn right before i got to him. i looked at my speedo and it said 65 and i know it reads 5mph fast as ive verified it with my gps. well i didnt think anything of it figured he was turning around for his area. well he turned his lights on and pulled me over. said i was going 72, then gave me a ticket for going 73 in a 55. said i can pay it, go to court or take driving school and pay less and no points. itll be 4 points otherwise. thing is i KNOW i wasnt going that fast plus he put a diff speed on the ticket from what he had origonally told me and when i mentioned it to him he got kinda quiet then said "it doesnt matter. its the same fine either way"

what pisses me off is ive never had a speeding ticket and havent had a ticket at all in like 8 years. i said that too him and he said yeah i saw that. and to top it off i was in the slowest car i own. seems these cops are out to suplement their budget cuts by as many tickets possible. i saw tons of people pulled over after i got my ticket.

this really sucks. i dont have the money to pay it, but before i even try im gonna look into it to see if i have a good chance at getting it thrown out or not.

:mad: Hmmm, same thing happened to me when I lived in Naples Fl and it was my first ticket ever. I came to a stop at a dead end street, and had the option to turn right or left. When I looked to the left a cop was sitting in someones driveway with the lights flashing. I slowly turn out and he follows me. I thought maybe he left his lights going from a previous stop so I kept going. I decided to turn on a side street and let him go by and he turns too, I pull over, he pulls over. Asked me if I knew why he stopped me and when I said no...he told me you were doing 50 in a 25. I then told him from the driveway he was sitting in (one house from the corner)...my car wouldn't get to 55 that quick. He says lets go to court, and who you think the judge will believe (with a smile)
I didn't fight it, just paid the ticket. I know exactly how you feel Will. I think I would try to fight it. He has to show up to court just like you, and he'd better have his shit together, and not be missing any paperwork, or it will get thrown out, or better yet...who knows, maybe the Judge will side with you. Doubtful, but hey ya never know.

Shit like that makes you wish you had a passenger, or a friend following to be a witness.

[supraturbo85]

judge will always take the cops word for it dont fight it. they will add on fees after they tell you that you're guilty (that's how they do it here).

[supergregotti]

you should see how many "stings" theyve been doing. drug stings, child porn, prostitution, gambling, etc... busting everyone they can to get all the money they can since their budget has been cut.

And most of them are probably guilty of the same crap.

[williamb82]

i did have a passenger. my gf was with me and she heard him say i was doing 72 then he put 73 on the ticket. also, i read a story awhile back that tons of speeding tickets are being thrown out due to the officers not being present whe nthe radar is calibrated. the lawyer asks them were they present then cites some case and bam, its gone. soooooooooo, i "might" be able to fight it with that.. the story was for a diff county in florida though. im looking into it.

[supergregotti]

i did have a passenger. my gf was with me and she heard him say i was doing 72 then he put 73 on the ticket. also, i read a story awhile back that tons of speeding tickets are being thrown out due to the officers not being present whe nthe radar is calibrated. the lawyer asks them were they present then cites some case and bam, its gone. soooooooooo, i "might" be able to fight it with that.. the story was for a diff county in florida though. im looking into it.

Should have made this thread a poll, I'd fight it. If ya do fight it and win...sell the car and buy another!!!!

[Junkie]

I feel for you Will, but not too much ;) Maybe you didn't deserve this one, but, how many "should" you have gotten, and never got stopped ?

Personaly, I just pay them. Seems I get a truely, stupid ticket, every 3-5 years anymore. Last Nov. --- 10 over in a freaking school zone. Was tagged, while decelerating, AT, the sign, still 2 blocks from the school, and No kids present. Whatever, I paid it and moved on ... though, I did make arrangements, and took 120 days to pay, not the initial 15, No interest/late fees :D

[kmfdmk]

Fight it. Yesterday I just got shafted with a Reckless Driving for making a right turn out of a left turn only lane because a tow truck, the vehicle it was towing and 2 cop cruisers were parked in the right turn only lane. Said I cut off a van when the van had motioned me to go in front of him. BS. Fight it.

[williamb82]

Should have made this thread a poll, I'd fight it. If ya do fight it and win...sell the car and buy another!!!!

why would i sell the car and buy another?

[Tanya]

Personaly, I just pay them. Seems I get a truely, stupid ticket, every 3-5 years anymore. Last Nov. --- 10 over in a freaking school zone.


shut up ye old fart, you get out a lot of tickets bc cops see that you're 5 minutes from your grave anyway














::runs::

[supergregotti]

why would i sell the car and buy another?

Get pulled over and win in court....you will get pulled over again, and again, and again. Hillsborough County cops would watch you like a hawk. You'd want to drive another car...been there done that.

[williamb82]

actually, i was just informed of something that may work. i should plead not guilty, as i was in fact not guilty of going 73mph. and ask for discovery. the officer has to bring the readout from the radar as he put radar on the ticket. he also has to provide his certification for the equipment he used as they do expire. if his certification was expired its thrown out or if he fails to produce the readout it is also thrown out etc...

[williamb82]

Get pulled over and win in court....you will get pulled over again, and again, and again. Hillsborough County cops would watch you like a hawk. You'd want to drive another car...been there done that.

im not worried about that. they never have anything to get me on. they tried that years ago. i got pulled like 40 times in 1 year. never got a ticket. usually was for stupid stuff like "your tag is dirty and i didnt notice you had one till i pulled you over" even at 12 noon in broad daylight. they would run all my crap and never find anything wrong so had to let me go, after first killing 20-30 min of my time. and before i pulled off id always wipe the tag off just so they couldnt pull me again. dave a was even in my red 84 on the way home from a car show when they pulled me for that.

[supergregotti]

im not worried about that. they never have anything to get me on. they tried that years ago. i got pulled like 40 times in 1 year. never got a ticket. usually was for stupid stuff like "your tag is dirty and i didnt notice you had one till i pulled you over" even at 12 noon in broad daylight. they would run all my crap and never find anything wrong so had to let me go, after first killing 20-30 min of my time. and before i pulled off id always wipe the tag off just so they couldnt pull me again. dave a was even in my red 84 on the way home from a car show when they pulled me for that.

I understand what you're saying, but it just gets old when you see cops turn around to follow you, and or pull you over for BS reasons and waste your time.
I realize my statement about selling the car was pretty extreme lol, but I sold a car I liked for that very reason, and turned around and bought my first Toyota...things got much better.

[dannymk2]

i completely agree that it 100% sucks. but, i just dont see how you can prove you really werent going that fast. around here, with your clean record, it would most likely get reduced in court. to what, i dunno. id probably just take the traffic school route since points on your license will just bite you in the ass. talk to a lawyer first though, see what they tell you.

[Prplehz]

Fight it. He said 72 then wrote 73. So I bet the gun said 72 if that even. That gets you off on a technicality. Basically the evidence has to match the ticket or it is no good, If the glove does not fit you must acquit, lol. I wish you luck.

[theWeezL]

This is one of those RARE occasions I would tell you to plead not guilty and see if you can it dropped on the 72/73 technicality, but you will need your witness. If the ticket says 73 and the radar log shows 72 that might be enough.

Tickets suck, and they always seem to come at the worst time financially. I got pulled over a couple weeks ago in my old truck. I know my speedo is off but not sure by how much. Anyway, I end up only getting ticketed for no proof of insurance, but its still a $240 ticket. $240 is half a months rent...not something I like to part with. I admit here that I didnt have insurance at the time of the ticket, but I did as soon as I got home that day. That meant the policy was dated the day of the ticket...;) case dismissed! Sure, the money from the ticket basically went to renew my policy, but I would rather have legit insurance on my beater truck than waste it to a court. Again, tickets suck!

[lechner]

That ticket is beatable on so many levels. The biggest one is that the officer becomes an "unreliable witness" and his statements become suspect the moment his story changed from 72 to 73. His memory and judgement become suspect and the entire ticket no longer has foundation. Now he doesn't actually have to write the ticket for the same speed he clocked you (they often write them for a lower speed), but the fact that he FORGOT what speed he said you were going and wrote the ticket for a different number (changed his story) is very different from saying "you were actually going 75 but I'm only going to write this ticket for 70".

Your defense will rest on cross-examination of the officer, but a decent attorney should be able to cast enough doubt on the officers "story" to get this thrown out. If you hire a decent attorney who lets the prosecutor know they will be doing this, the prosecutor is likely to drop the charges. Unfortunately, a good trial attorney will cost you as much as paying the ticket. IMO it is worth it as a matter of principal if you honestly were not speeding. You cannot reward them for ticketing people erroneously by just paying the ticket or they will continue to ticket people erroneously. If you are not guilty, don't just bend over.

[one2spooku]

Seriously???

Here, I recieved A ticket in Richland. Cop wrote Kennewick on the ticket (8 miles Away). I was given a ticket for a law that my car was exempt from. It was Model year not manufacture year. They can change shit when ever they want. Ended up with 200$ worth of ticket.

Fighting it with all these technicalitys will lead to huge legal fees. More to fight it than to pay and suffer a slight insurance increase. Deffer the shit and leave it at that. If you have to take one you have to take one.

As shawn said "How many do you deserve"

I did win one argument. It happened to be about a 3 hour drive from my house. After going down there 3 times the 100$ ticket was thrown out. After missed work and Gas I lost money. The Court does what it wants to unless you have Money!!! Given the fact you can't afford ticket I am thinking a huge legal council is out.

Just my opinion. Sorry if it seems rude.

:twocents:

[86SupraFan]

I hate how courts do this. They tried to get me to agree to something like this.
When you say "it will go away" do you mean it will just never surface or actually after an amount of time it will go away?

First of all, nothing that the police or courts log into their computers will EVER, EVER "go away." After 3 years for minor things, it will no longer appear on the record that employers and insurance companies can access.

But the police and courts never delete anything from their records. I know this from first hand experience. I had some trouble from when I was young, and then found myself in court more than a decade later. The prosecutor brought up the prior incident, and the judge said, "That was over 11 years ago. I want that comment stricken from the court record, and not mentioned again." Well that was surprisingly cool of the judge, but still the prosecutor planted the seed, and attempted to portray me as a repeat offender.

The bottom line is that no matter what appears to employers or insurance co.s, the government will never delete anything from their records. Even if you pay an attorney obscene $$ and get the ticket dropped, the incident will still be viewable by the government -- forever!

It's great that all our friends on the forum are telling you to "fight the hell out of this ticket." But the bottom line is: do you have any hard proof of how fast you were traveling at that moment? Of course not.

And whether the cop has any proof or not is irrelevant. He could trump up some radar lock if he needed to, or claim that he was pacing you. But he doesn't even need to. It will come down to your word vs. a cop's, and the judge and the cop are brothers in the system. You are the enemy to them, and given your word vs. a cop's, the judge will always take the cop's side unless you have hard evidence, or you can afford to hire a decent attorney.

Lawyers are so damned expensive, that if you can't afford the ticket, you certainly can't afford to hire an attorney to fight it. The system is skewed in the cops' (and the rich's) favor, and we poor and normal folk are the screwed.

No disrespect to you police officers out there: I have heard from several friends in the force that they are being highly pressured to give out tickets to increase revenue. There are even contests here in WA State, with prizes given out to the officer who gets the most No Seat Belt tickets per month, etc. It's not the officers' faults, they are "just following orders." If you are a police officer reading this, please rise above the political and economic pressures coming from the top down, and fulfill your oath to serve and protect the public -- not screw them with bogus tickets to create revenue for your dept.

Here in the Seattle area, our police are driving around in suped-up 2009 Dodge Charger hemi's with alloy racing rims and custom paint jobs with racing stripes. They have new technology that reads every license plate in view automatically with video cameras, and feeds the info directly into their on-board computers, and alerts them of anything. They are working on technology to make our license plates actually emit an information tansmission (like the RFID Radio Frequency Identification emitting chips already in our passports, and coming soon to your next "enhanced" drivers license).

In the small town of Lynnwood, WA there are hundreds and hundreds of video cameras on the streets, 12 for every intersection. Besides the cost of the cameras, they all have to be wired to somewhere, the data recorded, stored, and city employees have to maintenance and deal with the data.

Besides the SWAT teams, even regular police in Seattle are being prepared for "civil disturbance" with Kevlar full body riot armor and military weapons. Cops are now outfitted as well (or better) as the Marine Corp., including armored personnel carriers with microwave emitting "crowd control" cannons, and helicopter gunships with night vision and infra-red. The government is turning the local police of major metropolitan cities into a well-armed, and armored, high-tech. domestic army, preparing for martial law, with you and I as the threat in their sights.

All of that shit is expensive, so plan on getting pulled over and ticketed for even breathing wrong in our great free nation. Sorry you got a bogus ticket man, but I fear that we aint seen nothing yet.

[Marblehead]

Hire an attorney. The cost of an attorney and fighting the ticket will greatly outweigh the cost of higher insurance premiums for three to five years. Notify the attorney of your speed finding between your speedometer and the gps. Were you clocked with radar or laser? Have the attorney check the records of the device the officer was using to clock your speed. The radar or laser devices need to be calibrated on a routine schedule. Based on your speed between the cops findings and your gps, it sounds as though the radar/laser was not calibrated properly. That will be an automagic dismissal of the ticket due to faulty equipment.

I can’t drive 55…..either.
Scott

[williamb82]

well theres an attorney i beleive that charges $100 for traffic tickets. i might just hire him, but might not need to. point is was i technically speeding? yes, was i going as fasty as the cop said? hell no. over 10mph over you get a higher fine. higher fine means more money for the system. its bs. and no, he cant say he pacded me. he was coming from the opposite direction when he clocked me and i have a witness. my gf was in the car. plus if needed they could pull the video from his dash cam. all dash cams are running all the time. it may have even picked up the sound of our conversation before he wrote the ticket where he told me i was going 72mph. that right there is why i plan to fight it. he said 72 then wrote 73. thats conflicting. and enough to get it thrown out.

[DreadyDiggs]

A lot of people go to court and fight "cause it's about the principle". Unless the ticket is straight retarded, I just pay them. Don't feel like going to court.

Let me put it like this, if a dude wrote me a ticket for driving a Dodge Viper when I was in my Toyota Supra (and I didn't even own a Dodge Viper), I'd fight that. Speeding tickets....whatever. I speed, so if I happen to get pulled (it's infrequent) he's pretty close to accurate, if he's a dick about it I'm gonna get ignant wit him, otherwise I just pay them.

EDIT-If I were gonna fight it, I'd find someone in the legal system I can ask first. You know how they have those "Ask a doctor" things online? How about "Ask an attorney". If an attorney thinks I can win it, then maybe I'd fight it. Me thinking I can win ain't good enough, I'm a very straightforward guy and the legal system doesn't seem straightforward.

[williamb82]

oh yeah, now that you meantion it he put my car down as gray. its light blue.

[theWeezL]

Here in the Seattle area, our police are driving around in suped-up 2009 Dodge Charger hemi's with alloy racing rims and custom paint jobs with racing stripes. They have new technology that reads every license plate in view automatically with video cameras, and feeds the info directly into their on-board computers, and alerts them of anything. They are working on technology to make our license plates actually emit an information tansmission (like the RFID Radio Frequency Identification emitting chips already in our passports, and coming soon to your next "enhanced" drivers license).

In the small town of Lynnwood, WA there are hundreds and hundreds of video cameras on the streets, 12 for every intersection. Besides the cost of the cameras, they all have to be wired to somewhere, the data recorded, stored, and city employees have to maintenance and deal with the data.

Besides the SWAT teams, even regular police in Seattle are being prepared for "civil disturbance" with Kevlar full body riot armor and military weapons. Cops are now outfitted as well (or better) as the Marine Corp., including armored personnel carriers with microwave emitting "crowd control" cannons, and helicopter gunships with night vision and infra-red. The government is turning the local police of major metropolitan cities into a well-armed, and armored, high-tech. domestic army, preparing for martial law, with you and I as the threat in their sights.

All of that shit is expensive, so plan on getting pulled over and ticketed for even breathing wrong in our great free nation. Sorry you got a bogus ticket man, but I fear that we aint seen nothing yet.

You read WAY TOO MUCH Ayn Rand. :zzzzz:


But here is the thing about traffic enforcement, its specifically designed to generate revenue in the most efficient way. The system wants you to comply without too much fuss. If you pay a ticket the way they want you to, the system makes money. If you dont pay it, drag it out a bit, and MAKE the system earn the money they WILL eventually take from you then, for me at least, I feel as though I did my part to keep them honest.

"Time is money" of course everyone knows that, and so does the court. If you make them spend time on you than they dont make money. So its in their best interest to either find you guilty in a kangaroo court fashion, or dismiss the whole thing if they see that you plan to be a pain in the ass. It really just depends on the court you end up in which outcome you will see. Drag things out as long as possible. At least that way, even if you do pay for the ticket in the end, at least the system will have earned it.

[hambone]

Speeding ticket??? Pay the damn thing and move on. If you can't afford a speeding ticket you can't afford to drive.

[williamb82]

Speeding ticket??? Pay the damn thing and move on. If you can't afford a speeding ticket you can't afford to drive.

why pay it andf move on? thats $240 i could spend on lots of other things. maybe you think its no big deal to get a falsified ticket and just pay it without fighting or checking your options, but not me. and how do you figure i cant afford to drive? a ticket is not a normal exspense of driving. maybe for you it is but i havent had a ticket in about 8 years so its hardly normal for me.

[DreadyDiggs]

oh yeah, now that you meantion it he put my car down as gray. its light blue.

Haha, I'd have some fun with this in court. I'd act as serious as possible pointing out how he f'd up my color.

"Your honor, this man, this....."officer of the law" has committed an atrocity. He called my Supra gray. Your honor my car is not in fact gray. It is light blue. If this man cannot tell the difference between light blue and gray, he is not fit to wear that badge. Your honor, say he was reporting a speeding car heading West, and said the car was gray. If the car was in fact light blue...like mines:naughty:, they might not catch the criminal. This man is not fit to be a police officer, and is not fit to give me this ticket. If he can't tick you must acquit."

[doug82supra]

Billy, I would have asked whether you've swapped your rear end for a 3.73 or were running larger wheels. The wheels and maybe the rearend would throw your speedo off enough to account for the speed discrepancy...but the pics at cardomain show stock wheels.

[82MKIILtype]

Chewbacca Defense?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense


But seriously ... I fought (and won) a stupid Liceence plate ticket here in Ontario. I pleaded not guilty so had to wait for everyone else to go ahead of me pleading guilty.

Here is what I learned from thast day listening to everyone elses cases.

1. Pleade guilty and simply ask for a reduction in the fine. Just spout some hard luck story and look pitiful. Every single person who asked for a reduction got thier fine chopped in half. One person was a $5000 insurace fraude ... dropped to $2000 and given 120 days to pay.

2. Most technicalities can be "ammended" when the officer testifies. Even an incorrect plate number was ammended and the person didn't get off.

Make a call to one of those "Points" hotlines for your free consultation.

Good luck ... and stick it to the man like he sticks it to you!

[williamb82]

Billy, I would have asked whether you've swapped your rear end for a 3.73 or were running larger wheels. The wheels and maybe the rearend would throw your speedo off enough to account for the speed discrepancy...but the pics at cardomain show stock wheels.

i was in my 85 beater. it has stock rear end, wheels tires, etc... and the speedo reads faster then im actually going. ive verified this. the bad thing is i was the sole car around when he did it so i cant even argue that he clocked the wrong car. i think he was just after "anything" and still feel i was origonally pulled as he thought i wasnt wearing my seatbelt. since i was he ended up wth the 73mph ticket.

not sure if you guys know this or not but like 2 weeks ago was the start of a new law where they can pull you over for no seatbelt. before they could ticket you for no seatbelt but had to pull you over for something else in order to do it.

[Mone]

I went to court to fight a speeding ticket recently. I was going 33 in a 35mph. I was indeed ACCELERATING quickly, but I hadn't even shifted out of first gear when he turned his lights on. With 3.73 gears, thats about 33mph. He put down 45mph (10 over). I went to court to fight it. I said that I knew the cop was behind me, but I wasn't even out of first gear when he turned his lights on. It didn't matter though. I didn't meet the burden of proof (70% or something like that here in Washington state), so it was pretty much "the cop said you did it, so you did it". A $250 lawyer would have been much cheaper than the $140 ticket plus the years of increased insurance I'll have to pay now. I might just go down to the courthouse and listen to the hired attorneys sometime. I wish they wouldn't have put the hired attorney ones at the end, cause I would've liked to hear how they were getting the cases thrown out.

ALSO, they are doing this in Washington now, but they they have an attorney that represents the police. The police don't need to show up unless you SPECIFICALLY request their presence in writing.

Good luck though.

[kdsii]

Not sure what the law is in Florida, but here in Virginia, if you can show that your speedo was reading wrong, they will normally reduce it to an faulty equipment fine - which is no points.

You would need to take the car to a shop that can calibrate it and get a report from them stating the actual speed and the speedo reading to prove that the speedo is inaccurate.

[supergregotti]

Speeding ticket??? Pay the damn thing and move on. If you can't afford a speeding ticket you can't afford to drive.

If the ticket is for say 10 over, and I was going 5 over I'd pay it, but if it's like 15 or 20 over, and I'm actually going 5 over, have witness, and an officer that has a hard time making up his story as he goes, I'd check into fighting it too.

The more over you go, the more you pay into the system... which is a hard pill to swallow when it's a BS quota ticket with flaws.
JMO

[AJ]

William reasonable doubt = ticket reduced or thrown out ...

wrong color
wrong speed
was looking to issue a ticket for NO seat belt than realized you had one on
Speedo error
Prior good driving record

[BillyM]

For those of you who are ticket-prone when you're not doing anything wrong, one more reason to go with a go-pro. Know you're going slower than the cop says? Hand him a gps verified rpm/gear speed print-out and point at the camera.

..."just slow down, ok" *receive warning*

--billyM

[zuprax85]

btw how much is the ticket......i got a parking ticket $350 i was parking in a disability spot, shit!!! thats the most expensive ticket i ever got in my life and is just for park my supra.

[lechner]

To those of you who say just pay it:
I bet you gave your lunch money to the class bully every day of school, which only encouraged him to demand money from more kids since it turned out to be so easy. It's about time you grow a pair and stand up for what's right. The system has become a bully because there are so many people out there with no principals who will just take the easy way out. Like that law somebody mentioned in Washington: They know you have a constitutional right to have the officer present in court, but they have noticed most of you are pushovers anyway, so they don't bother with that unless you write them a letter and they realize you are no pushover. Don't waive your rights or you will soon find you don't have any. Ya'all encourage the system to be a bully by rewarding them for it, then bitch about it. It's pathetic.

To those of you willing to take a stand: Thank you.

[one2spooku]

To those of you who say just pay it:
I bet you gave your lunch money to the class bully every day of school, which only encouraged him to demand money from more kids since it turned out to be so easy. It's about time you grow a pair and stand up for what's right. The system has become a bully because there are so many people out there with no principals who will just take the easy way out. Like that law somebody mentioned in Washington: They know you have a constitutional right to have the officer present in court, but they have noticed most of you are pushovers anyway, so they don't bother with that unless you write them a letter and they realize you are no pushover. Don't waive your rights or you will soon find you don't have any. Ya'all encourage the system to be a bully by rewarding them for it, then bitch about it. It's pathetic.

To those of you willing to take a stand: Thank you.

I am not a huge guy, But was never very good at getting picked on. As far as the "Bully Theory". If I feel I am being wrongfully arrested, And decide to not be "bullied" it will lead to a couple felonies which I will be found guilty of. Now the less violent thought. If I decide to fight till the death over a 100$ ticket, it will cost me more in the long run than paying the damn thing.
I firmly believe in standing up for myself, I firmly believe in standing up for whats right. Simple fact is you have to be half ass intelligent when you pick your battles. If you decide to take on the legal system, you are going against odds. The situation described doesn't sound like an easy win. Is it worth the time and headache???? I'm thinking probably not. What's pathetic is losing the same battle repeatedly. The state doesn't give a shit how many tickets you fight.

Take it in, attempt to contest it. You may get lucky and win. If not it will get costly. Some tickets are thrown out right away. Even if you "win" the same Douche Bag officer will be writing tickets the following day. I just usually try to get them reduced. Last one they only reduced 15$ though.

[DreadyDiggs]

To those of you who say just pay it:
I bet you gave your lunch money to the class bully every day of school, which only encouraged him to demand money from more kids since it turned out to be so easy. It's about time you grow a pair and stand up for what's right. The system has become a bully because there are so many people out there with no principals who will just take the easy way out. Like that law somebody mentioned in Washington: They know you have a constitutional right to have the officer present in court, but they have noticed most of you are pushovers anyway, so they don't bother with that unless you write them a letter and they realize you are no pushover. Don't waive your rights or you will soon find you don't have any. Ya'all encourage the system to be a bully by rewarding them for it, then bitch about it. It's pathetic.

To those of you willing to take a stand: Thank you.

Lechner, while I personally only look at rights as an "idea" not something you have or don't have, isn't it true that while you have a constitutional right to have the officer present in court, you also have the right to pay the money if you feel like doing that?

Right and wrong are opinions. If I kill a bank robber I catch in the act, some will think I was right to do so (punishment), others will think I'm wrong (excessive force). While the fact remains that he's dead, is either side correct? No not really. What's done is done though, he dead haha.

Spending a bunch of time in court may be right for you and not right for others.

[theWeezL]

Right and wrong are opinions.

Your version of right and wrong are irrelevant in a court of law. In a court there are very specific rules governing "right and wrong". What you speak of is morality, and if youve ever been in court you know that morality plays only the smallest part of whats "right and wrong" (or better defined: legal and illegal).

The whole point of hiring a lawyer is that they already know the system or "game". A sharp average joe with a little point in the right direction can indeed play the game well enough to win...sometimes.


PS. your example of shooting a bank robber doesnt give enough information to be answerable in a real question of "right and wrong" ie. legal or illegal. Was the man armed? were you in fear for your own life? Was anyone else's life in danger? OR did you shoot a man in cold blood that was in the act of commiting a property crime. Thats why there ARE courts...to decide matters that are not always cut and dried black and white, right or wrong.




PPS. Anyone want to take bets that after this whole discussion william simply takes the easy way out and pays the ticket quietly without any fuss? :zzzzz:

[DreadyDiggs]

After reading it definitely didn't sound like that's what he wants to do. But maybe he will just pay the ticket.

Oh and weezl (my stepfather nicknamed me that back in the day): Yes the man was armed, I wasn't in fear, and someone else's life was in danger. I saw that and shot the shit out of him haha. Then went home and took a nap. I didn't take any of the money he tried to steal. Although he was wearing a new pair of Jordans so I took those :) Legal? Illegal? Hero? Villain?

[theWeezL]

Yes the man was armed, I wasn't in fear, and someone else's life was in danger.
Hero



I saw that and shot the shit out of him haha. Then went home and took a nap.
Villian


I didn't take any of the money he tried to steal.
Legal


Although he was wearing a new pair of Jordans so I took those :)
Illegal


Legal? Illegal? Hero? Villain?
All of the above!
;)

[lechner]

isn't it true that while you have a constitutional right to have the officer present in court, you also have the right to pay the money if you feel like doing that? Yes. You also have the right to vote for goverment leaders and laws aiming towards a Socialist Dictatorship that promised to make you more secure from terrorists (or whatever they call them now), but you don't have the right to complain about it if you do.

I just want everybody to see that when they "take the easy way out" and "just pay it" when they aren't actually guilty, they reward a corrupt system and ultimately create more difficulty on down the road. When they suddenly realize that they have allowed the system to remove all the failsafe's for expediency, and decide it is time to take a stand against the system, they are going to find that they have waived enough rights in favor of "security" and "expediency" that they no longer have a leg to stand on. Then we all suffer.

Don't waive your rights. Don't allow searches without warrants. Don't allow witnesses to not come to court and testify. Etc. Etc. It may be a little more inconvenient at the time, but if we don't keep government honest nobody will. It is your duty.

[DreadyDiggs]

I see what you saying man. Don't vote for a man then bitch about his policies haha. I see exactly where you're going.

Respect.

[williamb82]

btw how much is the ticket......i got a parking ticket $350 i was parking in a disability spot, shit!!! thats the most expensive ticket i ever got in my life and is just for park my supra.

$240 for the ticket.

[williamb82]

PPS. Anyone want to take bets that after this whole discussion william simply takes the easy way out and pays the ticket quietly without any fuss? :zzzzz:


not what i want to do at all. the court is about 5min from my house. parking there is free. is it worth some free time to keep that $240 for something else? say the oil lines for my gt40? yes, it is. if my job had unlimited over time id prolly just pay the reduced cost, do the driving school, and work some overtime, but that isnt the case. the job economy sucks, i got a fairly substantial paycut back in october just to keep a job as the dept i was in before no longer exsists. and all the jobs ive found pay the same or less then i make now. truth of it is id rather spend a few days after work in the court. i get off at 6:45pm and the court usually starts at 7:30pm. and its not even 15min with traffic from my job. what would you do? if it seems i can get the ticket thrown out i will fight it. if it seems futile, then ill prolly take the 'easy' way out. but i am weighing every option. im even going to call a lawyer that handles tickets for $100 and ill pay him the $100 if he can get it thrown out for sure.

[DreadyDiggs]

Like I said if I thought I could win, I'd go find someone who knows how to manipulate the system a little better than me and ask them. If they say yes, I fight, if they say nope, I probably wouldn't fight haha.

It seems like fighting isn't costly in your case anyways. I'd fight it if this lawyer says he can get it thrown out.

[theWeezL]

I hear ya, was kinda just razzin ya. I know what you mean about the economy. My landlady lets me work off $100 of my rent @ $10/hr and while I detest doing yard work for $10/hr...I dont have enough shop work to keep me busy enough to pass it up. Fortunately I get to charge her $35/hr for all mechanical work and always seem to find an hour or two of that each month to do. ;)


also, I was one of the people who said to fight it. Mainly because I think cops should be held accountable for doing a shitty job. Even if you dont get the ticket reduced its worth it to call the guy out in court for doing a shitty job. Regardless of what the conspiracy theorists say, judges remember that kind of stuff.

[ABQMK2]

Try to find out the cops schedule...if he has 12 hour shifts and has a mid shift that gets off guessing here..7am....try to get a 10am,11am or even an early afternoon court time after his mid shift if possible on his friday....ive done that twice...they never showed...they were both tossed out.

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!.....Fight man Fight!....G/L.


hey look....after 5 years on the forum im gonna hit 1000 posts soon....I better slow down and get back to my life.

[rewell6]

Fight it and GET A LAWYER. My father in law tried to fight a speeding ticket once. Him and my mother in law got one on the same road - different days. He read books, joined some anti radar org (or something like that) and had his evidence together, but didn't get a lawyer. Because he didn't have a lawyer all the evidence he presented was thrown out.

Not only did he get to pay the fine, he got to pay the court costs, received 100 hours community service and 1 year misdemeanor probation. Immediately after the judge handed down his sentence my mother in law walked over and paid her fine.

[DreadyDiggs]

Rewell, if you have the "right" to try and manipulate the legal system like everyone else, do you know why his evidence got thrown out?