V8tt mkiv

[Superium]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyota-Supra-4-7LTT-1997-Supra-widebody-V8-twin-turbo_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQ hashZitem2a01602dfdQQitemZ180411706877QQptZUSQ5fCa rsQ5fTrucks
If i had the money, thats exactly how I invisioned my mkiv would be if I owned one.

[Austin E]

Eric's(Cowboy bebop) car. By far the nicest mkiv around. Sad to see him selling it though. He's put a lot of work into that car. Guaranteed, if i had 70k for any car. That would be it. Different pictures of that car have been my background for years.

[jefe_not]

That's a beautiful car.

[scottevil]

yes it is very pretty

[dannyr]

that thing is gorgeous...

[dannymk2]

that car is sick. the ass shot....GOD DAMN!

[BillyM]

It made 380hp at 10psi, has only been driven 300 miles?

I'd save the $40k, and get one of the numerous singled supras running 500+ at the wheels on pump gas with thousands of trouble-free miles on the mods.

He's dreaming, and that interior is hideous.

--billyM

[Eric]

That's nice and all...not my cup of tea though. A little overdone. Did he just choose that motor to be different?

[85midnightsupra]

worth 20k imo

[Supra'85]

GARBAGE!!

yeah yeah twin turbo v8 but
a. the exhaust is single to a fart can
b.it sounds like shit
c.its only almost 400 horse
d.its idle at 2000 RPM
e.its an automatic

and to finish all of that off did they ever make a supra with anything other than a straight six....no stick to the heritage and stop wasting your money on useless builds...

beautiful body though

sorry
-Justin-

[DreadyDiggs]

Beautiful exterior and engine bay. Interior is okay to me, but I'm not a fan of any auto.

I won't pay 70k for a car so so I ain't worried about that haha. I drive my cars, not have them sitting in the driveway paying insurance and what not. I want my Supra to be meet/dyno worthy one day, but not to the point where I'd rather tow it to the meet or dyno.

[robidunno]

Overall I have to say I like the car. The interior isn't totally for me, but it wasn't made for my taste either. The body is a little bit overboard with the Widebody look. Transition into the rear fenders is a little sharp for my liking. But the engine performance looks like he didn't even try. I'm sure a NA 4.7 could put up close to or better than the same numbers. If it is properly tuned and running a few more lbs of boost, then we'd be talking some good numbers. Unless he's underrating the power for some reason. I'm sure for the quality of craftsmanship that I can see, and the Unique factor, somebody is going to get a pretty cool car.

[LnumbP]

I don't understand why you guys are all ripping this car to shreds. The guy built it how he wanted it, of course everyone won't agree with every detail here and there. When the dude said no expense was spared in the creation of the car, it is very apparent that this statement is true. I mean look at that engine bay, it's absolutely gorgeous. The interior isn't my style color wise, but it is trick as hell. So widebody ain't your thing; the bodywork on the car appears to be seamless, as if it was born that way in the toyota plant.

If I had 55-60k just burning a hole in my pocket, I would not hesitate to offer it up to that guy. Just think; it looks like a supercar. You could have a "supercar" for somewhere around the same price, but all you would have was a clone of what every other old rich guy is ripping around in. This thing is one of a kind.

[dannymk2]

man, theres alot of hate on here...


GARBAGE!!

yeah yeah twin turbo v8 but
a. the exhaust is single to a fart can
b.it sounds like shit
c.its only almost 400 horse
d.its idle at 2000 RPM
e.its an automatic

and to finish all of that off did they ever make a supra with anything other than a straight six....no stick to the heritage and stop wasting your money on useless builds...

beautiful body though

sorry
-Justin-

a)dual exhaust supra? gay. fart can? thats not a fart can. far from it.
b) it sounds sick. its not going to sound like a supra.
c) see below
d) he said the car was in neutral, and its probably got a nasty stall in it.
e) have you seen a stick tundra? im not an expert but i dont think the manual stock supra trans is going to bolt up to that motor. i could be wrong though.



Overall I have to say I like the car. The interior isn't totally for me, but it wasn't made for my taste either. The body is a little bit overboard with the Widebody look. Transition into the rear fenders is a little sharp for my liking. But the engine performance looks like he didn't even try. I'm sure a NA 4.7 could put up close to or better than the same numbers. If it is properly tuned and running a few more lbs of boost, then we'd be talking some good numbers. Unless he's underrating the power for some reason. I'm sure for the quality of craftsmanship that I can see, and the Unique factor, somebody is going to get a pretty cool car.

ill admit, his numbers are pretty low. but im willing to bet that the motor isnt broken in yet, and wasnt/isnt being pushed to its potential. again, i really havent read his build thread (i believe he has one on sf) to know the full story.

[Supra'85]

now dont take my opinion and make it into something it isnt...

im absolutely positive he loves that car and i cannot fault him for that

who am i to try and change someones mind i understand that everyone is going to have different thought and those were mine

-Justin-

[dannymk2]

everyones entitled to their opinion, your right. i dont think garbage is the word to describe that car though. your comment just struck me as something a 'ricer' would say at a local car meet after he rolls up in a p.o.s car, talking crap about other nice cars in parking lot, pointing out things like, " its only 400hp" or "it has a high idle", as if his ride was better. w/e.

[mkIIdude]

I watched the build thread on this car from when it was just a thought hate to see him sell it, Very very clean mkiv

[Supra'85]

i guess my major thing is i like seeing supras with straight sixes. a stock 2jz could easily push out those numbers with minor modifications and why not stick with what toyotas great engineers had in mind that car with a 2j would drive better and run better and i didnt care for the sound because nothing beats the sound of a true dual v8 that car is gorgeous the exterior is obviously nicely done and the interior truly shows attention to detail

-Justin-

PS.
there is such a thing as a 6 speed tundra not that that had a whole lot to do with your argument but if you are already going to put that amount of blood sweat and tears into an mk4 why not? thats all im saying

[Donn29]

The guy built it how he wanted it, of course everyone won't agree with every detail here and there...

I don't get why someone would build something how they want it, just to turn around and sell it? The low Dyno isn't going to make anyone interested over the net either. He can't go back and put a decent dyno on the ad?

[Malloy]

Awesome car, I'd drive it! I agree, that he should have tuned it and posted an impressive dyno sheet before trying to sell it. Otherwise it seems perfectly executed.

Also, the person who would consider buying something like this probably has other cars...other badass cars and a few would probably have a m/t.

[Superium]

The only downsides I see about this car is obviously the #s but with the boost cranked up and a fine tune that should be solved. Automatic sucks but that just makes it faster. Lack of a dual exhaust would finish up the already aggressive rear end and give it a better sound.

[Tire Shredder]

if I remember correctly the discussion online was that the owner does not know the compression ratio of the engine. This implied he didn't really analaze his setup and goals and build around that, but rather threw a ton of money at the motor and assumed it would all work out. I believe the low numbers are conservative because he's really not sure what is in it, let alone what it can handle.

Still, this vehicle (overall) has some of the best workmanship ever done on a supra and it's simply beautiful. So many people criticizing other people's taste makes me laugh...

like mike said, this will go to somebody that has several other vehicles in this class.

[LnumbP]

I don't get why someone would build something how they want it, just to turn around and sell it?

I honestly don't understand either, but I doubt either of us have that kind of loot to put into anything, let alone a car. He basically says he is disapointed that he has to let it go, but is doing so because he can not use the car as it is meant to be used. I remember reading something about him only putting like 300 miles on it (maybe 3000) since the build was finished.

[dannymk2]

these are tough economic times. that could explain why he is selling it. ive seen alot of people getting rid of stuff that they really didnt want to or plan on for this very reason lately. it could also be the reason why the car doesnt have a proper tune to be putting down the numbers it should. if i put that much time/money/effort into building a car like that, i would be disappointed to have to sell it as well, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do.

[BillyM]

"it could also be the reason why the car doesnt have a proper tune to be putting down the numbers it should"

That's allowable if you have a $1500 KA-T 240sx or a $2k turbo'd h22 civic, but not a $70k supra.

Does it look nice? Sure.

Is there lots of work done to it? Yeah.

Is it any better off than any number of half-completed swaps seen sold in the world? Hell no...

People have dreams of this being an amazing car, but you'll get the same drawbacks with this as any other half-completed project. The owner doesn't know the compression ratio? Are you F'n kidding me? Someone took $40k and closed their eyes and threw it at this car, and their only instruction was to "make it pretty". I bet you guys $100 he's gotten it to this point, and is selling it for a nice, reliable, stock/modded car. It's not "oh god, the economy" but rather now that he's got it together, he realizes that he's not happy with it, and it's unlikely the new owner will be either.

--billyM

[LnumbP]

Well put Billy. That post makes your first make a lot more sense.

[DreadyDiggs]

I showed it to my girl. Told her to compare it to the blue Mark 4 we saw at a Hibachi grill one day (owner works there and didn't even speak English for real). She thought about it and then asked me, "So what's left on this thing that makes it a Supra?" Haha

If he was able to put 100K in this car, then he can "tough economic times" deez nuts. He's got money to blow and Billy's probably right about his reason for selling. He ain't worried about no economic times.

[dannymk2]

That's allowable if you have a $1500 KA-T 240sx or a $2k turbo'd h22 civic, but not a $70k supra.

Does it look nice? Sure.

Is there lots of work done to it? Yeah.

Is it any better off than any number of half-completed swaps seen sold in the world? Hell no...

People have dreams of this being an amazing car, but you'll get the same drawbacks with this as any other half-completed project. The owner doesn't know the compression ratio? Are you F'n kidding me? Someone took $40k and closed their eyes and threw it at this car, and their only instruction was to "make it pretty". I bet you guys $100 he's gotten it to this point, and is selling it for a nice, reliable, stock/modded car. It's not "oh god, the economy" but rather now that he's got it together, he realizes that he's not happy with it, and it's unlikely the new owner will be either.

--billyM

billy, you are correct. but i was thinking more along the possibility that maybe the guy lost his job and is getting rid of something that isnt needed to help pay bills and stuff and try and support his family. again, i dont really know his situation, but if that is the case, i know the feeling.

[mkIISupraman18]

I love the body... but the engine deff sounds like a huge let down... I'd be pissed if I was expecting some BIG numbers and ended up with <400. (not that that's a low number by any means...)

That interior is not a $70k car interior....

Would I drive it? F*ck yeah... but not for $70k.

[lacrssgus14]

With all due respect every person in here has no room to speak until they read the 150+ page build thread and or have seen the work put into the car.

That thing is a one off balanced and blueprinted 1UZ stroker. It is mated to an SP built TH400 (automatic) transmission with a stall in the 4k range.

The car will easily make 1000hp, it was purposely built by the owner. Eric owns the company TTC, if you actually read the mod list there are many TTC parts on the car. He also makes many custom parts for 2JZ-GE motors, he knows what he is doing. The add states that it made 380 hp at 8psi, and I believe that the boost hit in the low 3000rpm range. If anyone of you owned a motor that was capable of hitting 380whp at 8psi, I'd like to see the proof! Eric has built 2 or 3 of these motors for swaps now and all run good.

I would buy this car in a heart beat.

Like I said, I respect your opinions, but base them off of fact and not internet rumor.

[theWeezL]

Yep, WAYYY TOO MUCH speculation going on in this topic, not to mention whole bunches of "sour grapes" passing around.


Its not your cup of tea? good for you, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I personally can find no fault with the execution of the buiild (having followed the entire thread), the quality of work, and the end result. Its definately NOT the typical 600+HP same as the next guys 2JZ mk4. But if that 2JZ 69 Camaro can sell for 130k plus, then I cant see any reason this car isnt worth 70k to the right person.

Edit: I see he sold it for 55k. That is an absolute BARGAIN for the buyer.

[BillyM]

...a $55k project car with an ugly interior.

M'eh.

God... I wish I had a snapshot of every single ebay/craigslist ad I've seen where someone says "could easily make XXXX hp". My question following that? "Well why doesn't it?"

...and don't try to sensor opinions, that's not what this place is for.

--billyM

[dannymk2]

the only thing im not crazy about the dash is that its painted. ive never been a fan of painted dashes. i think the re-upholstering looks sick. i love the colors. 55k for the car is a good deal.

[theWeezL]

...a $55k project car with an ugly interior.


...and don't try to sensor opinions, that's not what this place is for.

--billyM


Is that really your definition of a "project car"? :laugh:

and if that last comment was directed at me I think you read my post wrong. Read it again and point out where I attempt to sensor opinions. :rolleyes:

[85midnightsupra]

i say we close this thread before it goes to the toilet

:lock_it:

[LnumbP]

Some of us are fighting to keep this thread out of the toilet.

I vote no lock!

[theWeezL]

The car is sold, thread is pointless.

[DrgnFlys]

00000

[DrgnFlys]

car is still for sale


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyota-Supra-4-7LTT-1997-Supra-widebody-V8-twin-turbo_W0QQitemZ180413358906QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6447 QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m444QQ_trkparmsZalgo &#37;3DCRX%26its%3DC%252BS%26itu%3DSI%252BUA%252BLM%25 2BLA%26otn%3D1%26ps%3D63

[LnumbP]

Sold or not, this isn't a classified ad, nor is it in the fs section. This is all about opinion, and opinion is what we are getting. But I do see where you are coming from, this thread is getting out of hand and atm I'm not exactly helping.

[BillyM]

This is a discussion thread, where people analyze the modifications done and attempt to rationalize the asking price for the vehicle. The recent turn of events does change things a bit. Anyone else care to assume how and why?

Weezl, yes, it is untuned and un-tested. This is a project car.

So, it "sold" for $55k and is re-listed. Do we think some punk kid was just joking around on ebay, and thus a no-pay? Maybe the seller "sold" it to a brand new account to flush some interest out of the brush? Maybe hoping for that "I'll offer you $56k off eBay if you sell to me in-stead." offer? Why re-list it at $70k asking if you know the only offer you've gotten, the one you accepted, was for $55k and you're unlikely to receive any more than that...

What do we think?

--billyM

[theWeezL]

Anyone else care to assume...

You know the old addage about when you assume...

Maybe...all I hear from you is speculation and I dont see the point of that. Speculation is different from opinion. Plenty of opinions have been expressed, and while I may disagree with them everyone is certainly entitled to them as I already said.
But speculating about what might be wrong with the car, why he decided to sell it at this point, why he relisted it (yeah, he shill bid it so that he could show it sold for 55 just to relist it immediately :rolleyes:), is...IMHO, nothing more than "poisoning the well". You know, Its alot like the "sour grapes" parable. In that one the Fox denies the desirability of the grapes after he has figured out he cant have 'em. Poisoning the well takes it one step further and makes sure that if you cant have it, you do everything in your power to see that others wont have it either.


What exactly is the point of this type of thread then? To bash another guys hard work? To find fault with something 98&#37; of us couldnt ever hope to build or afford? To Speculate on why such a project would be up for sale in the first place when its, of course, none of our business? Pardon me for not willingly participating in such childishness.




In the end, its really no skin off my nose, as I have no emotional investment here, I just call things as I see them. Im sorry if some of you happen to see yourselves in front of my aim. I guess I just feel a little defensive for the guy because hes a member of more than one forum I belong to and I generally dont like to see "one of our own" as the target. I'll direct Eric to this thread and see if he feels like bothering to comment on it. Im done with it.


Edit: I spoke to Eric, he (as I suspected) didnt feel like commenting directly other than to share he had a deadbeat bidder and thats why the car is back up for sale.

P.S. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD7YeO6mwkk HAHAH! YEAH, that sounds like a project car! It sounds like junk particularly right about 55sec in. :rolleyes:

[c0wboy]

Hello

It took a lot for me to work up the motivation to come in and put some thin dime shitheads in order.

Let me start by saying this. I built the car for me.. not some children. Tht also means that I can sell it for me. I hold title, and there are no third parties.

As well I know the compression in every cylinder at this very moment, so the schoolgirl who made merry with comments on my engine can pulls his panties up and shuffle on. The compression is 170-175 in every cylinder, which by the math works out to 9.6:1 CR dynamic. Static is spot on at 9.77:1

The car had an ebay offer last night for 55k. I took the offer, and later that night the offer turned out to be deceptive. Here is the info on the person who made the deceptive offer. Oh yes.. I will talk.

mario diaz
4360 elmdale dr
tucker, GA 30084
United States
(678) 350-4300

So the car was relisted as soon as possible after it was reveiled that the person above wasn't sincere.

Here is a short video of the car. I hope that clears up the cloud of bullshit pouring off of this thread.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a355/c0wboy/widebody/th_MOV04842.jpg (http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a355/c0wboy/widebody/?action=view&current=MOV04842.flv)

Maybe you guys should talk what you know, or at least ask the owner,

Eric

[Malloy]

What does thin dime mean?

In any event, most people on this thread are not shitheads (as you likely know)...and they actually like your car quite a bit. I know I do...and I def respect an innovator like yourself.

Good luck with the sale!



Hello

It took a lot for me to work up the motivation to come in and put some thin dime shitheads in order.

Let me start by saying this. I built the car for me.. not some children. Tht also means that I can sell it for me. I hold title, and there are no third parties.

As well I know the compression in every cylinder at this very moment, so the schoolgirl who made merry with comments on my engine can pulls his panties up and shuffle on. The compression is 170-175 in every cylinder, which by the math works out to 9.6:1 CR dynamic. Static is spot on at 9.77:1

The car had an ebay offer last night for 55k. I took the offer, and later that night the offer turned out to be deceptive. Here is the info on the person who made the deceptive offer. Oh yes.. I will talk.

mario diaz
4360 elmdale dr
tucker, GA 30084
United States
(678) 350-4300

So the car was relisted as soon as possible after it was reveiled that the person above wasn't sincere.

Here is a short video of the car. I hope that clears up the cloud of bullshit pouring off of this thread.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a355/c0wboy/widebody/th_MOV04842.jpg (http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a355/c0wboy/widebody/?action=view&current=MOV04842.flv)

Maybe you guys should talk what you know, or at least ask the owner,

Eric

[c0wboy]

It means what it means, and I make no apologies for it. Iv'e read this thread, and my post pertains to those who talk about things they do not know. It's easy to see who they are.

Eric

[Malloy]

(so that means you are calling those who do not like your car broke?)

I guess you missed the rest of my reply. Too bad.

[jefe_not]

It was nice of you to take the time to sign up and answer a couple of questions.

You have a very nice car. But hey, you knew that already.

Good luck with the sale. I'm sure someone will be quite happy with it.

[c0wboy]

(so that means you are calling those who do not like your car broke?)

I guess you missed the rest of my reply. Too bad.



You have to understand that I'm not here to argue, I'm here to get sorted some unfair and rampant speculation by a few members. This is the reason that I'm quickly falling out of love with car forums, there's too many jerkoffs who think they know what it takes, but in reality have no dream of an idea of what goes into something like this. My car isn't going to have a shadow cast on it by the like of these goofballs, I put too much sweat into it to let that happen.

Eric

[LnumbP]

Eric, I love your car. I sincerely apologize for all of my colleagues asshatedness all over this thread. The internet makes it faaar too easy for people to talk like they know everything, and shit on people as they see fit.

From the way you speak of your car in your videos it is VERY apparent that you know what you are talking about, and that you do in fact appreciate that car a whole lot. I loved watching both of them, and if you have any interest in making another with a solid pull onto a highway I may in fact jizz in my pants.

I hope this post may lessen the sour taste that this thread has ultimately left in your mouth. Good luck with your sale, and thank you for coming here to set things straight.

[rsdeo]

...To bash another guys hard work? To find fault with something 98% of us couldnt ever hope to build or afford?...


I built the car for me.. not some children...


...This is the reason that I'm quickly falling out of love with car forums, there's too many jerkoffs who think they know what it takes, but in reality have no dream of an idea of what goes into something like this,...

Eric, I won't comment on how I feel about the car, but some of the things you said hit home. I just have to say respect on the build. You built it for yourself and that's all that matters. Good luck with the sale and any future projects.

[BillyM]

devils advocate here, but...

Weez: Poisoning the well? No offense, but $70k for a non-collectible is less than smart in my book, unless it has supercar capabilities or expected appreciation of value (which this car will never, ever, ever).

Raj: *had it built for himself, drove it 300 miles, and is now trying to make a buck (listed at 70k but jumped at 55k offer, that's a FL financial thought-process right there)

And this just in, proving your car is worth $70k only takes a poor video of you cruising around at 45mph and boosting once in first gear at 1.5x stock power. Oh yea, bulletproof! In that case, I've got hours of my car on the track, on the highway, all at nearly 3x stock power, 27mpg avg, and 10k issue-free miles. Starting bid, $150k, but it could use some paint work, so I'll sell at $55k. If you don't like it, you're a poor person.

Eric, you're asking house-prices for a car. Seriously... You're in the stratosphere, and you need to bring your sales media up to that level. The high-hp swap cars that sell for good money (2j camaro) all have professional-level photos, good, clear videos, and documentation out the wazoo (poor people words, means "a lot of") of the car and its' history and reliability. Just for your own benefit, you might want to put a little effort into that aspect of your sale, there is a lot of nice work done, make it visible.

--billyM

[c0wboy]

You just showed your ass, Alice.

Do the math, the parts list is in the ad. You tell me how much you think it would be to reproduce. The question at hand was if there was an issue with the motor, and I've shown you incorrect. Now you bring low life sarchasm to the table. Listen Alice, let the grown folks talk. If you don't have any interest in the car, then fuck off. I don't know how it could be anymore plain than that.

Oh and Alice... I took delivery of the painted shell and wrapped interior. The rest of the assembly was done by me here, personally. I know every bolt on this car. Again, talk what you know.

[SilverMk2]

:eekfacepalm:

This one ends here....

:lock_it:

[rsdeo]

Billy, I hope you can get what ever you want for your car. You're the one that built it and know the effort it took. It looks pretty impressive from what I've seen.

That said, just think if a few of us put our minds, skills and efforts together to build the ultimate MK2.:thumbsup:

[c0wboy]

As well it should