Rules for SILV Drags...comments?

[Malibyte]

There's a long thread on Supraforums about this; the first post is "The Rules".

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=180834

To me, this seems to be heavily weighted toward modded MkIVs and pretty much leaves most of the rest of us in the brackets. He justifies this by saying that there have been MkIIs in the 9s (there have been, but none of US have one of those cars).

Hmmm....I was hoping to have some fun with the IIIs and stock IVs this year. I guess we'll have to see where this shakes out.

Bob

[Moorman]

Yeah, kinda surprised no one has responded to my last post on the matter. I was hoping to at least pretend to be competitive in the street bracket.

:whatever:

[3000cc MK2]

I just think they are excluding older cars to race this year cause all the rules just fall out to MKIV's and as per being an MK2 with 3000 pounds then I have to find 8 50 lb sand bags to strap in the rear of my vehicle and hope it does not shift and be a danger in my life....

at least have a weight limit to by model year... as per
MK1 2600
MK2 3000
MK3 3xxx
MKIV 3400

then it would be a much interest to other non MKIV owners to participate in this big VEGAS SUPRA met event.... just my 0.02

[Malibyte]

There may be hope...Keith is trying to work with the MkIII peeps - if they get enough cars and someone to administer the class, they'll get their own class...we should jump in with them.

[zank]

I hope this gets worked out Id like to kick some Mk3&4 ASS :dancin:

[KeithH]

Please bear with us as we define the drag classes for this year's event. Jason S is our drag coordinator and he has defined the classes based on anticipated participation - based on previous participation.

Let's look at this objectively for a minute here. For the past many years we have had ~50 Supras drag racing at our event - Supra guys talk all big but like to sit in the stands when it comes time to put up. Of those 50 cars... the overwhelming majority has always been MkIVs. That is why you see the classes weighted heavily to the MkIVs.

Please remember that I drive an 89T and NOT a mkiv. I have great respect for ALL Supras... including the MkII.

Back in 2002 we had classes for nearly every possible option. The result was many classes with 2 - 4 cars in each class - really lame if you ask me. I gave Jason a rule that any classes that are set up need to be at least mostly full.

There are 4 different specific classes classes... and one ET class. The ET class levels the playing ground. You could have a 45 minute car... and line up next to a 5 second car. The lights will give him a 44 minute 55 second wait giving you the chance to win based on your consistant driving.

This topic came up months ago and I put up this same offer. Guarantee a FULL class and a class coordinator and we will make a class just for whatever you want - want blue 5 speeds running on 4 of 6 cylendars and holes in the floorboards? get me 8 cars to guarantee they will be there and we will make a class.

Let's get this going soon though. Awards get ordered in less than 30 days.

Keith Hart
Supras Invade Las Vegas
October 7 - 10, 2004
http://Vegas.Supras.Org

[KeithH]

We still have awards for quickest and fastest MkIIs... no matter if there is a special class or not.

KeithH

[Moorman]

:? I don't think anybody is catching my point. I don't believe there needs to be a 'MkII' class, and I agree that based on participation to do so would be a silly effort. The only part that excludes us, is the weight being set at 3400 lbs rather than being listed as stock weight. If, after changing that rule, the only cars to end up running are MkIV's, then effectively the rule IS 3400lbs..., *but* you leave the door open should a solitary MkII decide to 'put up' amongst that crowd.

Let's change the rule, but not tell the MkIV guys because the change will not affect them at all. :wink:

As I said on SF, if the point of those classes is to see MkIV pitted against MkIV exclusively, then I understand establishing rules such that only a MkIV can enter. If not, then, objectively, I don't understand why one would want to close the door to potential participants.

[Daves2JZGTE]

are u saying we are supose to be over 3400 lbs to race??
i wayed my car the other day with a 1/4 tank and came out @ 3160 this is with my full 7mgte and sound sistem in the car only thing out is the AC.

Dave

[Malibyte]

Jason has a point....if we get rid of the absolute number and simply make it factory weight, we can race against each other or any MkIVs in that class. This might be the simplest way to solve it.

[Tanya]

why not just scratch the classes and make it a fun competition? I don't see why it has to be all "classes" and whatnot, I would think the whole point of dragging at SILV is to have fun.
That's just my 2 pennies of course. I can't make it out there this year though so it really doesn't effect me. But I know some guys bust their asses for their mkIIs wanting to race the "big dawgs" at SILV, and then being turned down b/c they don't weigh enough is a disapointment.

[KeithH]

I can see your point about the weight issue... I keep forgetting that those MkIIs weigh the least out of the three models.

The point of the drag racing at SILV is to have fun... but remember that the majority of the crowd that comes to Vegas has something to prove to everyone else and they need that competition (read the big hp guys).

Remember that each of the main classes will only have 8 cars running in them... and people are going to have to qualify for each of those classes... so it is not just a matter of "hey... I want to run in "X" class."

Please also remember that we do have an ET class that everyone is elegible for. What if we got rid of the ET class and just made a "Grudge" class... you set up your own race... standard sportsmans tree... no handicap... the person that crosses the finish line first... wins. No award for the winner. No out for the loser - run until you're done... or until we run out of time.

Thoughts?

KeithH

[Daves2JZGTE]

i Like that better then ET

Dave

[Racefiend]

I can see your point about the weight issue... I keep forgetting that those MkIIs weigh the least out of the three models.

The point of the drag racing at SILV is to have fun... but remember that the majority of the crowd that comes to Vegas has something to prove to everyone else and they need that competition (read the big hp guys).

Remember that each of the main classes will only have 8 cars running in them... and people are going to have to qualify for each of those classes... so it is not just a matter of "hey... I want to run in "X" class."

KeithH

Well, if you reword 3400lbs to factory weight, it will change absolutely nothing as far as the mk4's are concerned. Mk3's will not be allowed any lightening. And if a mk2 is able to qualify, it can run with them also.

The only reason I can see that the mk4 guys are reluctant to change this is that they are scared of the possibility of being embarrased by some old jalopy CELICA Supra. I mean, just because we are able to hit single digit ET's without having to produce four digit HP figures, thats no reason to hate! :wink:

[KeithH]

I agree on the "Factory Weight"... and will chat with Jason regarding the change.

It sounds like the "Grudge" concept is a bit better than the "ET" racing. Might be a bit more fun too as you can pick who you want to run against... will ping Jason on this one as well. Remember that there would be no award for this class - and that this would replace the "ET" class if we did it.

Thanks again for your comments. Please keep them coming. This is your event and we want everyone to have fun. It is only with feedback that we can make this event better for everyone involved.

Keith Hart
Supras Invade Las Vegas
http://Vegas.Supras.Org
October 7 - 10, 2004

With over 120 of your closest friends RSVPd for this year's event already... are you REALLY planning to stay home while everyone parties at the "Largest Supra Event on the Planet"?