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    CelicaSupra.com Member flyjum's Avatar
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    5MGTE Guide with Microsquirt

    This is for the people who are looking to turbo their 5m-ge engine. This will sort of be a how to or at least how I did it. I had a turbo setup with a RRFPR and it never really ran well at all so I changed just about everything.
    It is a pretty cheap setup in terms of cost but it is a full standalone setup. It was a pretty easy and straight forward install. Easier than even a PNP AEM on a 7mgte because of the multiplex crap that never seems to work right.

    How it runs after 30 mins of basic tuning
    Still needs a lot more tuning but it runs ok and boosts fine


    Factory Service Repair Manual(TSRM) For the 85/86 supra
    http://www.cygnusx1.net/Supra/Library/TSRM/MK2/

    Main parts
    Late year 5mge early years will work fine as well but you will need some of the later year parts
    4 wire stock TPS Make sure the TPS works. Mine did not work so I pulled all apart and it seems like the ceramic solder points dont hold and it loses connection inside.
    Stock coolant temp sensor
    Stock ignition setup with stock VR pickups(2 of them)
    $30~ GM 3 Bar map sensor
    $20~ GM IAT(Any IAT should work I use a buick GNX)
    $210+ 750cc high impedance injectors bosch style
    $120~ Walbro 450 in tank pump
    Stock fuel lines/rail/FPR
    $360~ ECU is a Microsquirt V3 with the 8 foot harness yes Microsquirt
    CT26 with 7mgte exhaust manifold
    $50-$150~ Oil feed and return lines soft line kit works the best(rabidchimp, arizona performance, drift motion, ebay ect)
    Return bung welded oil pan
    $50-$350~ 2.5 inch IC pipes with matching IC diameter(can be same side exit or normal or even stock 7mgte stuff)
    IAC removed and blocked on intake
    EGR blocked on intake manifold and head/exhaust side
    $125~ Wideband O2 sensor I use the LC-1 but a cheaper one is the Spartan V2 from 14point7 which should be fine
    Downpipe with O2 bung
    Turbo to airfilter pipe(accordion pipe)
    Colder spark plugs I used NGK BRP8ES

    This runs $1100~ plus whatever it costs you for the parts that dont have prices next to them.

    Recommend/optional parts
    Oil filter relocation kit(cant replace filter without pulling turbo without this)
    Stronger clutch if running more than 5psi or sticky tires mine was new and slips
    Bigger radiator with electric fans( I use a MKIII aluminium one off ebay)

    Microsquirt ECU is basically Megasquirt V2 with some unique features and some missing features
    The V3 version is important here because it has dual spark. Update to firmware version to MS2/Extra 3.3.3
    It does not have stepper motor controll so it cant run the stock IAC but if you want an IAC you can get a PWM valve.

    Fuel setup
    Drop the tank and install the walbro fuel pump in the stock pickup
    Install the injectors into the stock fuel rail.
    Replace the fuel filter

    You can run any size injector you want I just chose the 750cc because I plan to run e85 at 15psi of boost
    Just make sure whatever injector you run is high impedance OR you have resistors installed inline as the ECU cant run more than 2 if low impedance.
    Also check your injectors before you install them one of mine was stuck wide open and flowed full flow of gas directly into the intake manifold filling nearly
    the entire engine with fuel
    Fuel injector wiring makes this batch injection the microsquirt does not have enough outputs to run sequential injection
    The injectors and ECU need to run off the same 12v relay
    You should solder and heatwrap all connection you make if possible
    The stock fuel pump relay is triggered off a wire that normally runs off the stock AFM
    You can wire this as shown in the images to have it run off key on


    Wiring
    Begin by removing the entire stock engine harness and ECU. The harness will pull through the firewall without needing to cut anything off.
    Cut the TPS and coolant sensor connectors off you will be reusing them.
    Wire using the diagram below and the microsquirt website here
    http://www.microsquirt.info/uswiring.htm
    All of the wires on the harness that comes with the ECU is labeled
    You need a switched 12v power supply from a relay for the ECU and injectors

    Turbo/charge piping
    Trim the exhaust manifold to clear the power steering bracket a grinder worked for me.
    Pull the oil pan and get a bung welded to it. I suggest a -10 AN bung for the drain.
    The block has a oil port on it which is BSP thread use that for the feed. You can buy BSP to -4 AN if you are using AN
    Double check the wastegate is working and install the turbo make sure you have gaskets where needed.
    Routing the intercooler pipes can be a pain and is up to you how you want them routed.
    I suggest using T-bolt clamps for everything if you can
    The charge piping needs to flex a bit as the engine moves side to side under loads.
    Install the downpipe I would not recomend a stock MKIII one
    You can get a nice elbow and get a downpipe/exhaust made at a shop for pretty cheap as well.


    Also if looking for parts on Rockauto
    Look under celica then select 2.8l engine
    Way more selection compared to selecting supra on the list
    This is the best way to buy OEM type chassis parts like bushing that I have found.

    Wiring diagrams
    http://www.microsquirt.info/uswiring.htm



    Tune setup
    Calibrate your TPS
    Setup for your wideband and map you are using in the settings
    Input the general settings and the basic tune settings.
    ECU needs power when you burn the settings to it.
    Also needs a reset(power off and back on) for some settings after you burn them.

    Most important part to get your timing correct
    On the ignition options menu the tooth angle will need to be adjusted
    IT WILL NOT BE THE SAME AS SHOWN
    For example on my setup I had to set the dizzy a tooth retarded to get it to zero out base timing
    It might need to be 0 degrees or 30 degrees on your setup for the tooth angle number 1 setting
    To set this correctly you need to set the fixed advance option to Fixed Timing
    Using a timing light on the crank while the car is running, adjust the tooth #1 angle to get the timing to match exactly timing for fixed advance setting
    I used 0 for the fixed advance setting and had to set the tooth #1 angle to 9 degrees
    If it does not match going down to 0 on the setting you might need to retard or advance the distributor or even jump a tooth on it.

    My car would start on rising edge setting but it would lose sync all the time at higher RPM
    Falling edge cured that but it changes the timing by around 22 degrees
    It is very important to make sure the ECU sees exactly the same timing as the engine is running at

    This is a rough tune I made using some of the other tunes posted on here for the 7mgte like williamb82's tune in the megasquirt thread
    I have driven this tune approximately 50 miles. Its a pretty safe tune I feel, AFRs run low 11s to low 10s at high rpm on boost
    Max boost I have seen is about 145KPA on this setup which is around 6.5 psi I will be adjusting the tune and boosting a lot later on.
    You can tune and adjust settings while driving you dont need to reset the ECU for every adjustment
    ECU will show 1 sync loss every time you burn the ECU if engine is running.
    YOUR TUNE WILL ALWAYS BE DIFFERENT FROM SOMEONE ELSES EVEN IF SETUP IS THE SAME CONSIDER THIS A STARTUP TUNE
    http://imgur.com/a/liENm








    Direct Link to the MSQ tune
    right click save as
    Make sure the file ends in .msq
    not .txt
    http://www.geniusvr.com/1985_Supra_m...supra_tune.msq

    Main forum for the MSEXTRA if you have issues with the software or anything else with the microsquirt
    http://www.msextra.com/forums/viewfo...65eb1c7ecfc2d8

    Anyone else who has a turbo 5 or 6m or 7m feel free to add some advise on the tune

    1/4 times on this setup here
    http://www.celicasupra.com/forums/sh...le-104mph-trap
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    Bravo sir. You had the patience to do what I did not, make a guide for 70% of the population to ignore and still ask the same questions over and over (which is why I chose not to do it) After having gone through everything you have, I know every minuet of whats involved.

    Your effort put into this for the forum and to spread knowledge is very commendable!
    Hopefully this will help the people who deserve it and truly want it.


    This most definitely should be a sticky!!!
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    Thanks it is pretty hard to find some of the info to get everything to work right. I am thinking of buying the full version of tuner studio to have it auto tune the car to clean the tune up.
    Just not sure how well it works compared to just adjusting it while driving around.

    These same settings or similar should work on a 2jz with a stock distributor and a 7mge
    I think most of the toyota stock VR pickups are 24 tooth main wheels with either 1 or 2 tooth secondary wheels
    The setting to adjust this would be 2nd trigger active on and every rotation of crank/cam depending on number of teeth on the 2nd wheel

    Here is the car on 9 psi
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    well looks like im gonna have to swap from the diypnp to this setup and maybe ill finally get my car running again. thanks for this awesome write up. Now i have a big question, with the pnp i have i can setup a 2step box, now will i have the capabilitie of doing the same with the micro

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    Yupe it has launch control options,flex fuel and the same boost control settings
    Its really the same thing as the MS2 but some of the features are either limited a bit or different in how they work.
    For example I think you can only run 2 coils on the microsquirt vs 6 on the MS2 and no IAC control for stepper motor idle valves but PWN valves still work
    Also no on board map sensor. One of the main benefits is the way the microsquirt reads the VR sensors which is hardware based filter on the V3 version vs software based on most of the others.

    More info on the ECU itself here
    http://www.useasydocs.com/index.html
    and older info here stating its basically a MS2 unit
    http://www.microsquirt.info/indexright.htm

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    Thank you for this post. Very informative and learned more about the 5MGE wiring. Much appreciated.
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    Very nice work, i will for sure use the sensor info that you have so kindly spelled out for us.

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    I switch the car to E85
    It was very simple I pulled up to the gas station on an empty tank of 110 and drove away on E85.
    Set the required fuel target afr to 9.8 which will increase the injector pulse width
    Basically richen up the fuel table by 30% and start the car have some tune to get the AFRs in range from there
    It will be really rich on start up. Tune off of gas AFRs as most wideband run on lambda.
    Max power feels like 11:1~ afr on E85 vs the normal 11.8:1 on gas.

    Car cruises at 14-15:1 and idles at 12ish on this tune
    Timing could be advanced quite a bit but I am still tuning it
    Boost control is setup with a MAC valve on a stock WG
    Seems to work pretty well and will stay steady.
    Depending on wiring higher numbers could be more boost or less boost
    I have a flex fuel sensor just need to install it to see what percent ethanol it is right now.
    If I had to guess its 78-80% for this tune

    Some videos


    14psi bad traction
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab0KgMP1CUQ
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    Nice work as always. Will microsquirt do map blending?

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    Hell yeah, awesome job!
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