On buyers and sellers in general...

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    Founding Member pdupler's Avatar
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    On buyers and sellers in general...

    There seems to have been a rash of bad transactions lately. On numerous occasions, people have contacted me privately and asked my opinion on sellers, buyers and just the value of deals in general, I guess because I've been in this community a long time. I appreciate that people value my opinion and laude them for doing their homework. Recently, based on my own positive dealings with sellers and my observation of thier behaviour and how long they've been around, I "endorsed" a couple of "deals". However, in the future, I am going to be quite leary of giving any such recommendations because these two friends wound up terribly disappointed and I feel partly responsible.

    Instead, here is some generic advice....

    Customer service consultants would explain that statistically across all consumers and markets, for every one customer who complains, there are 26 customers that had a similar problem but said nothing, and at least 6 of those were actually more severe than the one who complained. Take this section as a statistic and nothing more. Don't try to read into who, what or why and try to villify either party. A transaction took place, buyer or seller was unhappy. Statistically you are going to be somewhere between number 2 and 26.

    Since almost nobody here is actually trying to make a "business" of selling supra parts, then assume that "all sales are final". Most of these parts are barely worth the cost of shipping one-way, let alone shipping them back, especially if they are defective. That means unless you are able to physically inspect the parts, don't send any individual any more money than you can afford to put down on the Craps table at the Luxor.

    Remember that photos are not comprehensive and can be deceiving. Its not necessarily that the seller is intentionally hiding something, but rather, you may be so excited about the new performance part that you "see" what you "want to see" in some dark and grainy photo. Descriptions are not always good either and you may "hear" what you "want to hear".

    If a deal goes south, and reasonable efforts to resolve fall short, then post a quick "Parts not as represented. Unable to resolve. Seller not recommended." There's really no sense in posting a whole discourse in this section. If I read that somebody got a bad deal from you, I don't give a shit what the circumstances were, you're "Walmart" to me now, buddy.

    Likewise if a buyer gives you shit, you can feel free to post a response. Just realize that a buyer is negotiating with money. It really doesn't matter if he sends you a twenty dollar bill that that he left in the pocket of his jeans and it went through the washing machine, its still a twenty dollar bill regardless what condition its in. Unless I see posted a "no pay" situation or a pattern of negativity, if I've got something to sell, I'm likely to go ahead and take the guy's money. Now if I've got two buyers, then I might take the one with positive feedback regardless he wasn't first to respond, but thats about the weight of it.

    Don't try to use posts in this section as "leverage" to try to weasel your money back. It always turns into a long, drawn-out, he-said, she-said. God how I hate to see these things always right at the top of the "recent posts". It really gives a negative impression of our forum. To me, anything that comes after sounds like "whining" and I will likely strike BOTH of you off my "approved buyers/sellers" list.

    And importantly, particularly for sellers, if you get a GOOD deal, post positive feedback. I've been around the mk2 community long enough to have seen where somebody in particular had some problems once upon a time and got a bad rep, stuck it out here, gradually got back in good graces through just posting friendly, helpful and informative posts, eventually somebody took a chance on him again, posted positive feedback, eventually more positive feedback. Now he sells lots of stuff and most of you are too new to even know who I'm talking about it was so long ago and don't need to know because its irrelevant now.

    Mods, please move if you'd rather this be in the suggestions or chat sections.
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    CelicaSupra.com Member CELICA GTS's Avatar
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    Phil as normal excellent observation on the status of the status of selling.My opinion on the problems I currently see with transactions going bad has completely turned me off to locating parts for members in this forum. Now I go and get the parts, but sell them on Ebay and save myself the aggriaviaton of having to deal with situations like the recent one
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    Awesome write up Phil..Imma sticky this baby!!!

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    CelicaSupra.com Member jdk_ii's Avatar
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    Phil, excellent write up!

    Folks, just stick to the facts on the buyer / seller.

    Some of the recent transaction comments have turned into mud slinging drama.

    It's unnecessary.
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    Phil, you have a career in HR for sure !
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    I agree...that man is good.....

    I also think we should put disclaimers on all that we sell....ie:as-is, no warranties, no refunds or exchanges(unless damaged)

    Might be helpful.....
    I'd consider it a personal favor if you did not show up at the meet. you can just disappear.

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    lol at the noob^^^ not the right place to post that man haha

    although, very good insight, and I agree, people have to do their homework better, check out what their buying and communicate with the seller, as the seller should give the proper information needed to the buyer.

    I have purchased numerous items off the board and all I can say is that I've only had very positive experiences with my transactions. Every time I was able to communicate clearly with the sellers, and they usually put a great amount of effort to list the condition of the parts in question, and with pictures. They also for the most part are willing to go the extra mile and send out more info via pm/email. I as a buyer, greatly appreciate that type of effort on the part of the seller. Less pms have to be sent with questions that could have been posted, because the info is THERE in the thread. Lately it seems the board is doing quite well, the people on this board in general are very honest and their sole purpose it to help. I hope I never have to encounter a bad transaction with somebody on here, because I'd rather tell someone I appreciate what they did rather than bitch that they screwed up.
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    On buyers and sellers in general

    aka Dan rode in my teg last night and was talking about boosting my teg since its got a build-up on the motor and ready for boost. got over to his house and i got a mitsu turbo, SMIC and some extra pipe pieces from him. hes a down to earth guy and always looking out for someone, i almost had a tear Dan, ur the MAN thanx for all the stuff

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    Will you seriously go jump in a ditch already? Every one of your posts are stupid, and I'm tired of seeing your screen name. No one wants you here. GTFO.
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