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    \r\n 1. Your threads are always informative and entertaining! Keep it up! I like how you doggedly pursue a problem,try to get to the bottom of it, and then document. The old hands on the site may find it to be old knowledge, but these are common maintenance problems for those of us less experienced. That looks like the whole IM would have to be pulled to get it cleaned out.
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    \n Mine turned out to be a poorly installed timing belt (by the dealer somewhere). Funny how dead spots and hesitation in the powerband are usually attributed to fuel supply and filter, but this one was timing and dizzy 100%. The 1000 rpm idle went down to 750 once the tps was adjusted. Last link missing. I mention this, because egr often came up as a culprit for poor running engines. I wonder what the symptoms of a clogged egr are on a 5mge?
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    Wow, lots of stuff in there! Always wondered what that plug was for, but didn\'t think it had anything to do with the EGR.
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    1. Your threads are always informative and entertaining! Keep it up! I like how you doggedly pursue a problem,try to get to the bottom of it, and then document. The old hands on the site may find it to be old knowledge, but these are common maintenance problems for those of us less experienced. That looks like the whole IM would have to be pulled to get it cleaned out.
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    \nIt\'s totally possible to clean out the system without removing the intake manifold. It\'s kind of a pita getting the exhaust pipe-to-egr off but that\'s the hardest part.
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    \r\n i tried popping that cap thing off a while ago when i was cleaning out my egr but couldnt get it off. i was able to still clean it out though, just took longer. also, if you take the throttle body off, it makes it much easier to clean out the carbon. when i did mine, i used carb cleaner and compressed air to blast out most of the carbon. i hooked up a hose inside the upper intake plenum and ran it to a garbage pail. then i used a small tooth brush to get what ever was left out.
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    It\'s totally possible to clean out the system without removing the intake manifold. It\'s kind of a pita getting the exhaust pipe-to-egr off but that\'s the hardest part.
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    its actually easy once you do it. you need a long extension to get the 2 bolts at the back of the head. you need a big monkey wrench to loosen the nut on the egr valve. also, you want to remove or loosen the hook on the back of the motor and remove the fuel pulsation dampner. dont forget to pull the fuel pump fuse and crank the motor over for a while to de-pressure-ise the fuel system so you dont leak fuel everywhere.
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    \r\n This is the easy part of the system to clean. Pull the manifold and have it cleaned/dipped at a machine shop. Mine was about $40 with the tb and a few other parts.
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      wow thats some serious crud build up. how many miles on it? 127000?
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