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    Operation "Add a lil 1JZ to it"

    It begins...

    ill be posting pics and info from week to week on how everything is going to keep ya all informed!

    now this is my first ever engine conversion so if anyone spots anything wrong please jump in and let me know hey! mind you ive been brought up around cars so this shouldnt be that hard to do so here we GOoooooo....

    gotta start somewhere...

    lets get that old thing out aye!

    up up and away!

    just after removal eeww..

    and then it rained...

    next morning... lets clean up a bit

    ye old motor...

    she is a lil dirty but ill give her a clean later today


    more to come tonight
    If in doubt, drift her out! Steer from the rear! less traction,more action! simple!
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    very cool!
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    should be fun... motor is out now sothe 1j is all a go ahead now.. just waitin on the new motor to arrive... in the mean time engine mounts are under construction as we speak and standard ecu is in transit from japan... its only early days so im still trying to source a few parts but id rather keep ya all up to date week in week out it will give alot of people who are thinkin about doing the conversion a time frame of just how long this is gonna take... and to add to it runnig on limited funds... work hard, spend big... get rewards... she will be my daily driver once she is going and the old girl im currently driving is nearly ready for retirement all party plans and holidays and other fun stuff is put on hold... but i love my cars so this will sure make up for it... the fun will really begin once she is up and running!
    If in doubt, drift her out! Steer from the rear! less traction,more action! simple!
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    btw... anyone want a 5m-e... ? free to good home.. minus a few bits lol
    If in doubt, drift her out! Steer from the rear! less traction,more action! simple!
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    Exclamation Info Info Info!!!!!

    now im sure for the people who look hard enough for info on the whole engine conversion will have stumbled across this but I found this write up whilst searching for other info and thought that it has a place on these forums as alot of the info contained is applicable to other conversions. (eg. Which bellhousing to use for which engine/gearbox combination)

    if it needs to be relocated to the faq then feel free to do as such... just tryin to help!

    Enjoy.


    ENGINES

    6MGE
    bolts up, wires up, no effort required
    worthy if you can get one cheap.
    Difficulty 1/10
    Worth it? extra 20hp, 20 Nm torque, once again, price dependent (This is over the 5MGE, not the 5ME)

    7MGE
    bolts up, needs 7MGE loom, ecu and be 'spliced' into MX73
    may be able to use 5MGE harness and sensors, but wouldn’t get full effect.
    may need small exhaust change to suit MX73 system
    Difficulty 3/10
    Worth it? extra 30hp, 30 Nm torque, price dependent (over the 5MGE)

    7MGTE
    bolts up, NEEDS 7MGTE loom, ecu, and be spliced into MX73
    needs bigger exhaust and intercooler to get best benefit.
    Difficulty 4/10
    Worth it? yes, if you can get one for a good price

    1GGTE
    Bolts up with GX71/GA61 1G-EU or 1G-GEU mounts.
    needs 1G gbox (or at least the bellhousing)
    needs 1GGTE loom and ecu, and be spliced.
    needs bigger exhaust and intercooler to get best benefit.
    Difficulty 5/10
    Worth it? yes, if you can get one for a good price, and you have the mounting sorted.

    1JZGTE
    Can use custom mounts with the stock crossmember (available in Australia, was $250AUD plus postage, not sure now) or you can use an MX83 crossmember, and factory JZX81 mounts,(late 90-92 for Australia, any MX83 for US), or you can use the factory JZX81 crossmember and mounts (ie, if you get a JZX81 front cut)
    needs 1JZ gbox (or at least the bellhousing)
    needs 1JZGTE loom and ecu, and be spliced.
    needs bigger exhaust and intercooler to get best benefit.
    Difficulty 7/10
    Worth it? yes.
    The Nonturbo 1JZ-GE isn't really a worthy swap for the dollars it costs, unless you can get one uber cheap.

    2JZGTE
    as above for 1JZGTE (same mounting), but will have clearance issues with turbo's (may not apply to LHD)
    Difficulty 9/10
    Worth it? yes.
    The nonturbo 2JZ-GE is also definately worth a look. It will match a stock 7M-GTE any day of the week, and is capable of nice figures with some dollars thrown at it.

    1UZFE
    needs custom mounts (available from Peewee on the Cressida forums, $120AUD plus postage)
    needs custom exhaust, and most likely manifold modifications around steering
    needs 1UZFE loom and ecu, and be spliced
    Difficulty 8/10
    Worth it? yes.

    ALL motors will need a front sump version.
    ALL sumps can be interchanged within the same family (ie, if you buy a 1jz with a mid sump, you can put a 2jz front sump on it, but you need the sump (both halves), baffle plate, pickup, and dipstick/tube)
    All loom problems can be sorted with going aftermarket ECU
    Any motor with coilpacks (ie, not a standard coil) will need a tacho converter
    Cost of installation of all motors is the same.
    What varies is exhaust costs, intercooler costs, wiring costs.
    Turbo motors may require a radiator upgrade.


    WHAT CARS HAVE WHAT ENGINES

    6MGE
    Found in the MS126? Crown 3000 as a mid sump
    Found in the MZ12 Soarer as a front sump.

    7MGE
    Found in MX83 Cressida as a front sump
    Found in MS130 series Crowns as a mid sump
    Found in MA70 Supras as a midrear sump
    Found in MZ20 Soarers as a midrear sump

    7MGTE
    Found in MA70/71 Supras as a midrear sump
    Found in MZ21 Soarers as a midrear sump

    1GGTE
    Found in GZ20 Soarers as a midrear sump
    Found in GA70 Supras as a midrear sump
    Found in GX81 Chasers as a front sump

    1JZGTE
    Found in JZA70 Supras as a midrear sump
    Found in JZX81/90/100 Chasers as a front sump
    Found in JZZ30 Soarers as a midrear sump

    2JZGE
    Found in JZA80 Supras as a midrear sump
    Found in JZZ31 Soarers/SC300 as a midrear sump
    Found in JZS14x Aristos/GS300s as a front sump
    Found in the IS300

    2JZGTE
    Found in JZA80 Supras as a midrear sump
    Found in JZS14x Aristos/GS300s as a front sump

    1UZFE
    Found in UZS131 Crowns as a mid sump
    Found in UZS14x/151 Crowns/GS400 as a front sump
    Found in UCF10/11/20 LS400s/Celsiors as a front sump
    Found in UZZ30/31/32 Soarers/SC400 as a midrear sump


    MOUNTS

    Last known address

    Bonneville Automotive Pty Ltd.
    17 Phillips Road
    Kogarah.
    New South Wales 2217
    Australia

    Phone: +61 2 9553 4708


    GEARBOXS

    W55, W57, W58, R154, A340E, A341E, A350E Will bolt up to all of these engines.

    W5x series gearbox to M series motor, will require a 5MGE or 7MGE manual bellhousing
    R15x series gearbox to M series motor, will require a 7MGTE manual bellhousing
    W5x series gearbox to G series motor, will require a 1GGE or 1GGTE manual bellhousing
    R15x series gearbox will not bolt to G series motor (but you can get the J160 6 speed from the IS200 that bolts up)
    W5x series gearbox to JZ series motor, will require a 1JZGE or 2JZGE manual bellhousing
    R15x series gearbox to JZ series motor, will require a 1JZGTE manual bellhousing
    W5x or R15x series gearbox to UZ series motor will require a custom bellhousing from CASTLEMAINE RODSHOP, or DELLOW AUTOS

    Converting to manual will require lengthening the driveshaft, or finding a manual one from a wreck.
    Using R154 or any of the auto's will require a larger spline on the driveshaft than the factory one.

    W5x series gearbox will require 2nd most rear shifter position (as per MA70)
    R15x series gearbox will require MA70 or JZA70 shifter position.

    MX73 runs the same output shaft as the W series boxes.
    The A340E (MX83 on), A341E, A350E, and R154 run a slightly larger output shaft, and will need a custom tailshaft (custom as in needs to be professionally modded).
    Some of the late model autos have a weird yoke on the output of the box, but these can be changed for a normal one.
    All bellhousings in the A340E, A341E, A350E range should be interchangeable with each other (you may have to swap over torque convertor too, which may require swapping over oil pump).
    A340E from MX73 runs the same output shaft as the W5x and the A43DE, so you will need to swap the yoke to use it with the later A34xE range.

    When mounting a gearbox in an MX73, there should be very little hassles.
    Under the car, the MX73 has a row of holes where you can choose where to put crossmember.
    And since the crossmember isn’t straight, you can turn it around.


    DIFFERENTIALS

    You can get any ratio from about 3.5 to 4.7
    Look around local wreckers, look at RA65 Celica's, Crowns, Hiace's, Hilux's, and Supra's
    We can use the MA61 Supra LSD centre.
    Infact, the whole diff can just be swapped for a Supra one (bolts in)
    If you go a turbo, or the V8, I recommend getting a Truetrac LSD centre, from RABIDCHIMP

    Here is the list

    3.583 - RA65 Celica(F372)
    3.583 - RT142 Corona (F372)

    3.727 - RA65 Celica (F302)
    3.727 - GA61 Celica XX, (F302
    3.727 - MA61 Supra import(F303)

    3.909 - RA25 Celica Manual (F313)
    3.909 - MX13 Mk2 Corona(manual/auto?) (F312),
    3.909 - MX23 Mk2 Corona auto(F312),
    3.909 - MA46 Supra (manual/auto?) (F312)
    3.909 - MA61 Supra manual (F313)LSD

    4.10 - MS110 Crown auto (plated as F362, but was F293 in vehicle),
    4.10 - MS112 Crown auto (F292),
    4.10 - MX13 Mk2 Corona (F292),
    4.10 - MX73 Cressida auto(F292),
    4.10 - MA61 Supra auto(ADM) (F293),
    4.10 - GZ10 Soarer auto(F292),
    4.10 - MZ10 Soarer auto(F292),

    4.30 - GA61 Celica manual(F285)LSD
    4.30 - MS123 Crown auto(F282)

    4.556 - MA63 Supra auto(EDM?) (F252)

    4.75 - MS57 Crown auto(F??2 - no build plate fitted)

    4.778 - MS110 crown auto(F362)


    SUSPENSION

    There are a few places that do springs.
    Even if they don't list them, they will probably still make custom ones for you (price isn't much greater)
    KING SPRINGS
    KONI, Cressida not mentioned, but they will do custom.
    LOVELLS, Cressida low isn't mentioned, but I'm sure they do them.
    DOBINSONS


    As for shocks, get Tokico's.
    You can see which ones on the RABIDCHIMP website.
    MX73 uses the same shocks as the MA61 Supra

    I recommend getting PolyUrethane Bushes at the same time, make the ride a little bit stiffer.
    Who makes PolyUrethane Bushes?
    NOLTEC
    NOLATHANE
    LOVELLS
    SUPERPRO
    I dunno whether any of these are available in the USofA, but I'm sure at least one would be.

    RABIDCHIMP stock SUPERPRO bushes for the MA61. Crossreference the part numbers to find out which ones may be the same as the MX73


    OIL

    Manual gearbox, run Redline Lightweight ShockProof.
    Diff, not sure, but planning to run Redline of some sort.
    REDLINE


    RIMS

    The stock size is 15x6", with a 20mm offset.

    Apparently 17x7" rims, with a 25mm offset fit well.

    You then have to be careful what size tyres you put on so that it doesnt scrape.
    The largest I have seen on an MX73 was 18x8" on the front (with 245's) and 18x9" on the rear (with 265's), and he had to roll the guards to stop scrubbing.

    I would recommend 17x8" on the rear (with 245/40's) and 17x7" on the front (with 215/45's).
    This will keep the original tyre height (so speedo is accurate) and should avoid scrubbing.
    If in doubt, drift her out! Steer from the rear! less traction,more action! simple!
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    1j!

    Do it!

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    i pick up the motor next weekend.... make sure i get plenty of pics for yall! its not gonna come fast enough tho... i want it now!!!!
    If in doubt, drift her out! Steer from the rear! less traction,more action! simple!
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    fuel for thought.... wat is ppls opinions on keepin the standard gearbox behind the 1j? she should hold for a while yeah?
    If in doubt, drift her out! Steer from the rear! less traction,more action! simple!
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    why work to fit that tranny when you can just go r154 right away. you'd just be wasting your time fitting up the w58 in my opinion. the w58 would hold, but why
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    Unless you're going to get the R154 for very little money stay with the W58 (or W57?). You can put the money to better use elsewhere in the swap budget. A W series trans is good shape will hold plenty of power, probably more than you can make on the stock twins. Just don't get an overly aggressive or unsprung clutch and you'll be fine.
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