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if any one knows how to get them or a picture of them or think its possible and a good idea to manufacture a set , please let me know, also material theyre made , finish etc . . .

I have acces to a CNC machine and skills to do CAD design, CNC programming, metals, manufacturing and finishes , i think it will be a pretty easy and fast thing to do , but needs some orientation from the experts :D

thanks in advance !!
 

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hi,
i've found two places that make 4 to 5 lug adapters.

technotoy tuning (ggtyler on ebay) makes them very cheaply; i think they are 180 + shipping. they are 45mm wide, two piece design. the first piece bolts up to our hub with small nuts that he includes, and has a lip for the the second piece to fit over, and it attaches with 6 bolts, i believe. the second piece then bolts up to the wheel. the placement of the bolts attaching the two pieces togehter is such that the two piece set is closely in balance. the only problem with these are that neither of the mounting points are hub centric. you could probably get a ring to hub centrically mount the first piece on the hub, but yeah you'd have to machine another piece to mount the wheel hub centrically. he says he hasnt had any complaints about vibration but strongly suggests getting a wheel with a tapered lug hole, which many wheels don't have.

there;s someone else on ebay-- i dont have his name right now, but he advertises custom adapters and his price usually starts at $140. in the ad he says he's "known to fit any wheel on any car." i emailed him, and he will make them with the centerbore matched on the hub mounting piece and a lip for whatever wheel bore you would like on teh wheel mounting piece. he'll also make it to whatever thickness you want. only problem is that he wants $360.

i'm seriously considering buying a set of the $360 ones to fit 3rd gen rx7 wheels. the wheels are 16x8 +50mm, are light (~16.5lbs i think), and cheaply available with tires. each adpater would probably weigh 3 or 4 lbs, though... but, i think getting a set of these wheels with good tires on them for $400 or so won't be tough, so $800 for wheels and tires might not be a bad deal.

Another possibility are mkiv supra wheels-- 17x8 and 17x9, or 16x8, 16x9. the 16s can be had dirt cheap. i was thinking a 55mm spacer for the rears, and 50mm for the fronts would look pretty cool. my concern is i'm pretty much stuck with these wheels for life, no one is going to buy a set of $360 adapters that pretty much only work with one type of wheel from me :)

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Another possibility are mkiv supra wheels-- 17x8 and 17x9, or 16x8, 16x9. the 16s can be had dirt cheap. i was thinking a 55mm spacer for the rears, and 50mm for the fronts would look pretty cool. my concern is i'm pretty much stuck with these wheels for life, no one is going to buy a set of $360 adapters that pretty much only work with one type of wheel from me :)
This is what I've been thinking of for awhile now. Using the MK4 TT wheels. The only thing is the wheels aren't all that cheap. When do you think you might order these if you do? As far as the cheaper ones, is $180 for all 4? Probably not worth skimping though if the more expensive ones are hubcentric.
 

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i live out in seattle and theres a place a ways away that will change my 4 lug to the mk3 lug pattern. they make it custom so it fits just perfectly. 250.00 for the rear and same price for the front. or he can change it to any type of pattern you want.
 

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shiva said:
Another possibility are mkiv supra wheels-- 17x8 and 17x9, or 16x8, 16x9. the 16s can be had dirt cheap. i was thinking a 55mm spacer for the rears, and 50mm for the fronts would look pretty cool. my concern is i'm pretty much stuck with these wheels for life, no one is going to buy a set of $360 adapters that pretty much only work with one type of wheel from me :)
This is what I've been thinking of for awhile now. Using the MK4 TT wheels. The only thing is the wheels aren't all that cheap. When do you think you might order these if you do? As far as the cheaper ones, is $180 for all 4? Probably not worth skimping though if the more expensive ones are hubcentric.
rear TT wheels are 9.5 wide in the rear, but are a little pricey. The NA ones aren't all that common but look good too and are cheaper. 16s are nice.
 

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One problem I've seen from going from 4x4.5 to 5x4.5 is where to put one of the studs. No matter what angle between the two patterns one of the studs for the 5x4.5 would overlap the one from the 4x4.5 pattern. The solution to this would be to either make a two piece adapter (costly) or use a really long stud for one stud (balance and length problems for this). Going from 4x4.5 to 5x5 or bigger isn't nearly as much of a problem. The other problem is that the cost of the spacers + the wheels are nearly as much as some of the cheaper custom made wheels that fit right with no adapters. I looked at getting 25mm 4 to 5 spacers and using BBS RK wheels on my Mk2. Figure $1300 for the wheels and $500-600 for all the custom spacers, which equals the cost from several custom wheel vendors. Personally I think if you want adapters I'd stick with 4 to 4 bolt conversions. The downside is that most 4 bolt aftermarket wheels are faily narrow (usually 7"). You don't see to many 9" wide wheels on Hondas and such with 4 bolt patterns
 

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The solution to this would be to either make a two piece adapter (costly) or use a really long stud for one stud (balance and length problems for this).
Yeah. the best solutions seem to be the 2 piece sets. though with a 25mm thickness, late model mustang wheels become viable options. the "bullitt" style wheels would look pretty cool on a mk2, and are 17x8 +25mm iirc

When do you think you might order these if you do? As far as the cheaper ones, is $180 for all 4? Probably not worth skimping though if the more expensive ones are hubcentric.
if i do, i'd probably order them within a few months. i *could* have money sooner, and i don't at all mind waiting longer. the cheaper ones are $180 for all 4!! i think if you found a wheel that would work with tapered lugs you'd be ok-- the bore on the hub mounting side of the spacer is likely a standard size that you could find centering rings for.

earlier when i was thinking about this it was for the $180 spacer set, and so the wheel/tire combo became highly cost effective. with the spacer price doubled, i'm not so sure-- would anyone else be interested?? we could maybe get a better deal wiht more than one person interested. it would be a BIG mistake to order them and not look at other possibilities, like 240sx 4 lug wheels, which are generally available in 16/17 x 8 sizes, +35-40 offset.

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I think i will sell my wheels and finally leave everything as it is for a while and maybe get some mustang wheels that fit perfectly or that only needs spacers, at the end, supra stock wheels are not bad at all . . . and the wheels I have are Konig rush 15"x7" (not really a great deal) . . .

buty thanks anyway for the brainstorm . . .
 

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Get an adapter and miss out on the amount of lippage you can get with the factory offset?!?!?!?!? :evil:

You will need to get a 2-pc adapter to go from 4 to 5 lug. Some range in price from $45 to $75 each. When you get them made make sure you get them hubcentric and with a hub on the adapter. Otherwise you will get a bumpy ride. If you're spending $250 for just a pair, you are spending way too much. Unless there are made from Titanium. 8)

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:shock: :shock: :shock:


here is what adapt it said .. . . :shock:



$399.00 Set of 4 FREE SHIPPING
2-Piece Wheel Adapter Required
2.00" Thick Minimum Available.
Call 1-877-33-GAUGE Toll-Free To Order.

Matthew Petro
Vice President Of Operations
Gauge Media Group Inc.
7995 W. 21st. Street Suite E
Indianapolis, IN. 46214
317-856-1810 Phone
317-856-1818 Fax
 

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that's so freaking pretty.

what's nice about the adapters is that you can pay $3-400 now, and $3-500 later (With tires! woo!). but i dont know what portion of those adapters are going to wind up being recouperable...

without any lip whatsoever the car'll look like a damn toy though.

man that lip looks so good.

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If you're spending $250 for just a pair, you are spending way too much.
James, can you recommend any places that makes hubcentric adapters for a reasonable price? If I can get them for under a $100 each then I think I'll definitely get them this winter some time. The wheels that fit that would be in this price range really don't impress me that much, that's why I'm seriously considering the adapter route. I think seeing some crazy wide tires from behind a car is probably just as cool as the lip thing. But I guess there's only one way to find out.

As far as the 240sx wheels go, I think most if not all of the cool wheels are actually 5 lug not 4. Not to mention they also tend to be mega $$$ JDM type deals.
 

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Joseph:

I will check Monday AM on the company that can get you the parts. I believe we have delt with Bob Farr in California. Not sure if he deals strictly wholesale or not. I will call his company and find out.

Matthew is right. 2" is the minimum width for any 2-pc spacer putting the wheel at the following:

Front: 8" +51mm offset (this will start to approach the max offset recommended for the flares - depending on the tires)
Rear: 9" +51mm offset

Not many companies make wheels with such a high offset (putting you back into the high dollar range of wheels). Unless you back down to a 7" wide wheel. Most are 42mm and 45mm. The rears will put you at about the mk4 wheels. But putting really round spoke wheels on an angular car is too much of a detraction IMO. Check out what Volk Racing has to offer in another thread. They seem to offer the widest variety.Volk Racing for Celica Supra

Wide tires on a sports car is a must. :twisted: Lippage is the added bonus of having an old school car. :D

 

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For sure, but mk4 wheels are +55 offset all the way around, and 8s on the front. Can't be too hard to get wheels in that size
 

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Seamus: Mk4 aftermarket is bumped to 9" wide at +42mm offset for the fronts. And those have the spokes coming very close to the lip. :(

Most mass produced aftermarket wheels in 7" -8" are going to be +38, +42, +45mm offsets. That's just the industry standard.

Contacted the company that makes the billet PCD changer adapter for us. They are based out of California and only deal with dealers not the general public.

I'm sure there should be some companies that deal with the general public.

I would quote you but we're not into selling those things. We prefer to sell wheels that are available in the correct fitment.

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