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Again, I don't care who did or said what, or why. I expect a concrete update soon, or a return of my deposits. I don't think I am asking for anything unreasonable.
did you not read the previous posts on updates? what is concrete and what is soon by your standards? "I expect" please be clear with your demands and expectations,
 

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I had a good conversation with Billy and have no reason to doubt his ability to complete this. Let's keep things professional, people.
 

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Wow, I came back to this post after a month to see how it was going and Everything went haywire. Sad to see everyone fighting, especially a lot of my fellow OGs. We should remember a few things. We are ambassadors for our comm unity and if we act like jackasses we scare people away. Also building anything for these cars take forever and we should adjust our customer service expectations. Not taking any sides. Good luck with the group buy. For those of us that missed out/ not good timing will there be possible runs in the future?
 
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Also building anything for these cars take forever and we should adjust our customer service expectations.
Seriously. I've been in this Supra game, gotten in on nearly every group buy we've had, going back WOW, 28 years now to the SOGI email list. Talk about OGs. I sent in my money knowing full well that this was going to take MONTHS. These group buys usually do, especially when its somebody making parts by hand in their spare time for no other reason than to help out the community. I wasn't even thinking about this yet but saw it come up in the new posts.

I would beseech everyone to have patience. I learned the hard way nearly 20 years ago NOT to set artificial deadlines for my car hobby. I was working furiously on a 7mgte swap with a goal to get it done in time for the meet in Vegas. I figured I needed to get it on the road about three weeks ahead of the event to be able to work out any bugs and after a lot of late nights I made it. But then when everything was perfect, with two weeks to go, the cylinder head cracked. I was devastated. There was no way I was going to be able to find another cylinder head, get it machined, back in the car and de-bug before the 1,200 mile trip.

I moped around for that week and finally bought a last minute airline ticket and flew to Vegas anyway. Wound up being the most fun Vegas ever. Several other members flew in as well and so without having to fuss over our own cars for the whole time, we were free to do anything we wanted. While those with their cars spit and polished and made emergency repairs between events (I'd been in that situation the previous year), we gambled, saw shows and toured all the other casinos. I realized it wasn't the end of days, there will always be another race, another car show, another event. From then on, I've NEVER set a date for any car project to be finished. Remember that setting artificial deadlines is what your BOSS at work does and it only makes you miserable. Don't turn your hobby into a JOB.
 

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AMEN to that Brother... I couldn't have said it better myself... A Hobby shouldn't be another Job... it should only be something one ENJOYS ....PERIOD ...(with a few Hiccups along the way... LOL )

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Seriously. I've been in this Supra game, gotten in on nearly every group buy we've had, going back WOW, 28 years now to the SOGI email list. Talk about OGs. I sent in my money knowing full well that this was going to take MONTHS. These group buys usually do, especially when its somebody making parts by hand in their spare time for no other reason than to help out the community. I wasn't even thinking about this yet but saw it come up in the new posts.

I would beseech everyone to have patience. I learned the hard way nearly 20 years ago NOT to set artificial deadlines for my car hobby. I was working furiously on a 7mgte swap with a goal to get it done in time for the meet in Vegas. I figured I needed to get it on the road about three weeks ahead of the event to be able to work out any bugs and after a lot of late nights I made it. But then when everything was perfect, with two weeks to go, the cylinder head cracked. I was devastated. There was no way I was going to be able to find another cylinder head, get it machined, back in the car and de-bug before the 1,200 mile trip.

I moped around for that week and finally bought a last minute airline ticket and flew to Vegas anyway. Wound up being the most fun Vegas ever. Several other members flew in as well and so without having to fuss over our own cars for the whole time, we were free to do anything we wanted. While those with their cars spit and polished and made emergency repairs between events (I'd been in that situation the previous year), we gambled, saw shows and toured all the other casinos. I realized it wasn't the end of days, there will always be another race, another car show, another event. From then on, I've NEVER set a date for any car project to be finished. Remember that setting artificial deadlines is what your BOSS at work does and it only makes you miserable. Don't turn your hobby into a JOB.
Pure knowledge here from a OG, Thnx for piping in my friend :) :) i am happy that some ppl understand things and realize what is involved,
 

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If there are any openings on the list, I'd love to throw my hat in! I did the form a few weeks ago, but that's all I've seen so far. Anything else I need to do?
 

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Billy did refund my deposit but I'm still in to pay if these get made.

Pdupler, I have no problem waiting. I merely asked for a simple update.
 

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He posted an update on the last page after you asked. Like he said, I agree its not necessary or even necessarily a good idea to post the names of everyone in the group buy here. Sure thats a pretty common practice in group buys on this forum, but its generally done for the organizer to keep track of the orders, not for any public transparency issues (and this is a public forum btw, our posts show up in Google searches). IMO there should be no expectation for him to provide that info, it's not really relevantant. If you went to a shop and bought a part and then asked for list of all the people that bought that part previously, they'd tell you to go F yourself right?

Look, no one wants to get into the gritty details of the Phil/Billy partnership and why it fell apart. It's unfortunate any of it is posted here, it would be better to keep it off the board completely. But suffice to say, us car guys can be a little ornery sometimes, maybe even difficult to work with at times? That is not the same thing as malicious, untrustworthy or unreliable. Phil does have a long history in the Supra community, I'll let it speak for itself, I have nothing to add. But for those who haven't been around much in recent years and whom aren't that familiar with Billy yet, I would be happy to vouch for him. He works in the plastics industy and though only got into Supras somewhat recently compared to some of us, I can assure you he has been bitten by the same mk2 bug like the rest of us and is a true enthusiast. He makes very little doing these group buys for us, he does them simply to give back to the community and to share the spoils of his unique ability to make difficult to reproduce composite parts. As someone who has done a couple myself in the past and learned the hard way how much time they take and potentially how much shit and blow back you have to be able to deal with to see them thru, I am constantly recommending to him to actually charge more for stuff so there is at least some financial incentive to do them and whiggle room to cover his own ass if costs go sideways. And I would ask everyone here to trust him and go easy with the expectations, demands and attitude. Again having been there, it is really disheartening when people in the community whom you are just trying to help and not making any or at least any significant amount of money from (remember, an expensive part doesn't mean a big margin) give you a ton of grief. Billy has already done several group buys and small runs for some really cool shit here and he has delivered every time.

That said it's worth mentioning that Billy is still somewhat new to this community and doesn't always do things the way we have in the past (or as is typical on forum GBs) or puts as much thought into public perception of his online persona like some of us do. Everyone is different and has different experiences. On his steering wheel horn button group buy for instance, I was starting to get a "scam" vibe with some of the PayPal details and the way his thread was typed up after I committed, and sort of demanded we speak on the phone to make sure he was on the level. We talked for hours, and have several times since, and I got some amazing parts for a very fair price in a timely manner considering circumstances. I assure you he's on the level and a real enthusiast, and he comes off much better on the phone then on the internet. The dude loves to talk if you really feel the need I'm sure he'd be happy to chat on the phone with any of you, but do respect his time. He has small children, a house, a spouse, a demanding job and multiple Supras just like the rest of us so his time is always in demand. I don't know how he finds it to do these buys for us to be honest lol.
 

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Agreed. I sold billy my raptor carbon hood and it was nice putting a face to a name. You never know what to expect on the interwebs. I’m looking forward to getting this trim and painting my car someday. I hope that it all goes smooth and we can all get along. These cars are a rare bird now days... we are simply the preservers of history at this point. Love you guys.
 
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If you guys want to discuss further, please PM me. I don't want to clog up this thread. As I said earlier, Billy did refund my deposit but I'm still in to pay if these get made.
 
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