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A different kind of kill story. I just came from P&P today, and almost left in tears. I must have looked at 1000 cars, and there were many many cars that had come through the cash for clunkers. A vastly disproportionate number of them, it seems were 1UZ & 2JZ Lexi. It was to the point that it seemed that the govt must have tweaked the wording to specifically target these vehicles. All of them were clearly marked, "engine not for sale". They also had smaller stickers that said "This motor has been run with sodium silicate "liquid glass", and cannot be repaired." Quite a few MKIIIs were represented. A victim of it's weight I suppose. There was also a beautiful XJ-S V12 that had been un-cerimoniously executed, along with many Mercedes, and the like. Seems a bit like the Soviet era of class warefare to me.
I fully understand that these vehicles do not get terrific mileage, but these could have continued to provide reliable use for those who cannot afford a new vehicle. Will someone please stop the world.......I want to get off!!!!!! :nutkick::frown:
 

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Gas mileage ass mileage.

Whether you got 40 miles to the gallon or 10 you still gonna have to buy gas. The guy that's got the Honda CR-X getting 40 drives it from VA Beach to Washington everyday, and the guy with the Ford F-950 non-diesel gets 10 miles but drives it 2 miles to work every day.

Who's paying more at the pump? It all depends on the driver's lifestyle, at least most of it does to me.
 

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thats really sad ... What i dont get is that the technology is here to make cars with the ability to get great Gas Mileage ... I know that if the technology was there in 1959 for better gas mileage then just think how that technology must have improved drastialy.. So now its all about the green BS .. LIke batteries are better !!!!! Its in my opinion that its all about who is going to profit most from it .. What happend 2 our flying cars that we where sposed to have :)
 

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Approximately 700 2JZs, and 1700 1UZs. Thousands of Explorers, and Suburbans.
 

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1997 Aston Martin DB7. Wowz


ford escorts.......they were junk

18 Celica supras. Pricks. bet they were rust free.
 

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I'll bet the car that they bought to replace the clunker has a radio chip linked to a GPS so they can log their driving habits.
 

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too bad, that happen when cheap ass mf buy a car just because they look great, they r big, has leather seats, n they think they look good in that car, n barely they dont know if is a V6, V8 or if they just get 15 or 18 miles per gallon, they cant afford to service a good car, i called that IGNORANCE.

dont get me wrong u can buy the car u want, but is so sad when u dont take care of it, n then u took the car too the clunkers program to buy a Hyundai. someone posted long time ago, dont remeber his username, dunno if he fixed his markII or another nice car join the clunkers.
 

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so many cars I would be willing to buy for 4500... 97 supra... 04 landcruiser... the horror... I'm suprised there were so many 2004 and up cars... even saw a few 2008... what the hell are people doing that their cars are worth less than 4500 in that little time???? Such a stupid program. One of those 2JZs would have improved my gas milage in my MKII but they are all in a garbage can now.... awesome.
 

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Get any parts you want off of them fast because they have to be crushed within 180-days of arriving at the recycler. Auto recyclers are trying to that rule might get changed because of the big backlog.

This has also caused a big decrease in donated cars, so charities are seeing reduced revenues.
 

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even saw a few 2008... what the hell are people doing that their cars are worth less than 4500 in that little time???
I believe those were rebuilt wrecks. In some states all is required to put a salvage wreck on the road is a inspection of the vin and you reciepts for the repair from a local police officer. If you built a Cobalt from a wreck for about $1500 and drove it 40k and turned it in as a clunker you made out good.
I was going to turn in my dodge ram. I had a clear title and it was smashed on the pass side (Very smashed) but still driveable. I did not turn it in because I was 2 months shy of the own it for a year clause.
I also went to the local PAP and they had 5 rows of clunkers. 90% were mid size suv's age from 1990 to 2005. I did not see any Supra or Lexus. most of them were stripped of all interior parts.
 

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Think about all the raw materials and energy that goes into making a new car.

Think about the steel used, the electricity to run the plant that makes the car etc.....

Is it really better to use up all those resources and energy to make a new car or drive a slightly older car that doesn't get quite the same game mileage as a new car??????????

I'd like to see a study that addresses that question.
 

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Why would anyone want to junk a running, driving Celica Supra? I mean yeah, theyre showing their age, but for an early 80s rig, you get shit american cars didnt receive until the mid 90s. Like multi-point EFI WITH Mass-Air. 4-wheel disc brakes, fully independant suspension. I mean, hell. I admittedly romp on mine, and still get 21mpg.
 

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It's all about the money. Car manufacturers needed sales to stay alive, Americans needed jobs, and the government played into all of it. All they succeeded in doing is prolonging the car manufacturers for another 6 months, shifted all of the year's sales into 2 months, wasting millions of dollars in used car sales, parts sales, charity income, and energy to dismantle/destroy all of the clunked cars, not to mention the needless destruction of so many good vehicles. I hope to God it never happens again.

By the way, I thought our Supras didn't qualify for the program because they're 20 years old/older?
 

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All the clunker trade-ins in my area received a blue paint job under the hood from firewall to radiator. And a bunch of signs that say: "anything painted blue cannot be sold"
I saw a cherry 87 Cressida, a turbo mkiii Supra, a nearly brand new white Ford Fusion... wtf is going on? I understand the point of the program, but all of those engines can be rebuilt at the least, and displace someones tired dirty engine. That would kill two birds with one stone.
 

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Theoretically speaking, anything can be rebuilt. The problem with sodium silicate, which was designed as a concrete sealant, is that it impregnates the metal on a molecular level. All of these engines would need to have their cylinder walls bored, or at a minimum, heavily honed. Not to mention, possibly having to bore and sleeve cam journals, turn the crank, re-size or replace rods, re-cut the ring-lands, clean out the oil galleries, etc. Definitely more than just a standard rebuild.
 

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Theoretically speaking, anything can be rebuilt. The problem with sodium silicate, which was designed as a concrete sealant, is that it impregnates the metal on a molecular level.... Definitely more than just a standard rebuild.
I think rt36 meant they should have been rebuilt for others like us and not had sodium silicate run through them destroying them...
 

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I see much more lost in this program than gained. Salvage yards are taking a huge hit financially. People aren't going to be able to find what they need in salvage yards thanks to this program. Used car dealers are taking a hit. People who buy used cars are taking a hit. We're spending who knows how much money recycling as much of that stuff as we can, and are destroying years of great donor parts... all so we can get 700,000 new vehicles on the road that get a couple mpg's better? They're probably using more fuel in their car crushing and what not than it would take to run all those 700,000 cars across the U.S.! (maybe not quite that much... but it sounds good!)
 

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I just wish i could find the person who crushed the 97 supra and kick him in the nuts.
 
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