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how to piss the #$% out of a supra fan: (UPDATED)

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oh, look at this - the '82 doesn't start. you have to push start it. that's fine, but then i read on good ol CS.com that starter failures (where it works 1/500 times or so) is a common thing to happen. funny story, that's EXACTLY my problem.

what's this? I have an 84 p-type with a seized engine and a WORKING starter? I know it works, because i turn the key and hear it try and turn the engine, to no avail.

well, i'm a genius. i'll pull the broken one out of the 82, and slap in the 84. no problem. hour tops.

then i read that changing starters is slightly harder than reliably running 20 pounds of boost on a stock 5m. hmm. okay, so maybe 2 hours.

So off i trot to my workshop, break out my tools, and get to work on the 84. it takes a while to get it off the first time, but i don't get angry. i expected this.

then i jack up the 82, and pull it's starter. i inspect them... they look the exact same, no biggy.

so i fiddle around and get the 84 starter into the 82. a job well done i might say. with mom watching, i turn the key:

nothing. same damn problem. hmph, i say. that's no good. so i start to think to myself - "let's get rid of some variables here". I plug the 82 starter into the 84. nothing. okay, so that would mean that the 82 starter is in fact fucked.

then i pull out the 84 starter out of the 82, and slap it back in the 84.




Nothing.

WTF??!?!?!?!? it worked a few hours ago.

so now i'm pissed, because i can't get either to work in the 84, and i discovered that the rubber seal on the transmission for the clutch-arm-release thing is screwed up and torn on the 82, and that it's been leaking tranny oil everywhere, it seems.

So in the end, I put the 84 starter back in the 82, push-started it, gave it a few minutes to warm up, and tore about a mile down the street and back.

#1. wiring scares the shit out of me, but does anyone have any other clues as to what can solve my problem? i pretty much damn well refuse to take it to a mechanic - for now. I don't believe in spending grotesque amounts of money on something that in can do myself given enough time (and time is something i have a lot of, sort of).

#2. the car doesn't really start to pull hard until 3500rpms... are they all like this, or could this be indicative of some aftermarket cams? i mean at 3500 the cars goes from docile sports coupe to angry-loud-growling-speed-machine. i like it a lot.

#3. i'm getting pissed off at it. do any vancouver members feel like spending some time with me trying to figure out what the hell is wrong with it? please? i'll supply the beer?
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boy, don't make me come down there and fix it for you! :p

Its easy, you just need to follow a couple wires and solder a single connection! Every car I've ever installed an alarm in was wired this way.
SupraFiend said:
boy, don't make me come down there and fix it for you! :p

Its easy, you just need to follow a couple wires and solder a single connection! Every car I've ever installed an alarm in was wired this way.
...yes yes yes i know, it was just an excuse for him to come down because he wanted a ride in it.

i should actually get one of you vancouver owners to ride in it so you can tell me if it FEELS like stock or not.
if its as fast as you seem to think it is, probably not. I thought you said it had some serious work done to it?

My old 82 was pretty slow when I got it. I dropped an 88 5mge with the high comp pistons into it, rebuilt the head with p&p, exhaust and ditched the clutch fan and that thing was damn fast. Still is, SkoonMA67 on this board has it now. That thing is still faster then any of my current supras, got to do something about that :D
Hey suprafiend,

did you replace the fan with and electric one? or did you just pull it?
Electric, used the flex a lite 210 dual sucker fan. That thing is awesome and fits our rads perfectly if you trim about a 1/4 inch off each end of it. Even bolts on to the holes for the shroud. Awesome fan, but very expensive.
SupraFiend said:
if its as fast as you seem to think it is, probably not. I thought you said it had some serious work done to it?

My old 82 was pretty slow when I got it. I dropped an 88 5mge with the high comp pistons into it, rebuilt the head with p&p, exhaust and ditched the clutch fan and that thing was damn fast. Still is, SkoonMA67 on this board has it now. That thing is still faster then any of my current supras, got to do something about that :D
best case scenario - i think this thing was stroked using a 6m crank, and overbored a little. but i don't know.
If I remember right you really can't overbore the M series block for any noticable power increase. Probably using a 6m crank if anything and maybe cams. There is a guy in BC who has a pair of unused TRD cams for the 5M if your interested in knowing more.
suprathepeg said:
If I remember right you really can't overbore the M series block for any noticable power increase. Probably using a 6m crank if anything and maybe cams. There is a guy in BC who has a pair of unused TRD cams for the 5M if your interested in knowing more.
i have no plans to pull the engine for a few months. it has some bad blowby and oil burning at high rpms.

i'm only saying it was bored because of some of the paperwork i have.
Toysport used to sell oversized pistons that they claimed bumped it up to a 2.9 or 3.1 liter. I did run into a guy in town with a black 84 that had a ton of work done at Regency Toyota in town. Apparently his engine was bumped up to 3.0 liters with overboring, though he wasen't the most reliable source, but he said he had receipts.
t is doable bob. I had to do that one on the side of the road on top of mountain in 40 degree weather once. That was not fun!

it...is...alive.

Yeah, Seamus, I finally got it replaced. but it's a real bi*tch without the right tools (like a pair of needlenose about half a meter long!) Anyway, the '84 is back to life...replaced the wiper motor as well, just waiting for all of the nice black paint to dry on the trim pieces.

Thanks....Bob

By the way, is that the hose everyone's calling "the suicide hose"? If so, I can see why!!
SupraFiend said:
Toysport used to sell oversized pistons that they claimed bumped it up to a 2.9 or 3.1 liter. I did run into a guy in town with a black 84 that had a ton of work done at Regency Toyota in town. Apparently his engine was bumped up to 3.0 liters with overboring, though he wasen't the most reliable source, but he said he had receipts.
this is basically what the previous previous owner told the previous owner (the one i bought it from).

So i still wonder...
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