[KinTako]

Hello, just to give you all a little background information since i have never posted here before. My name is Zach and i am 19. i have been actively driving in autocrosses and mountain passes since i was 16. my first car was a 1986 Mazda RX7 n/a with RacingBeat anti-roll bars, RacingBeat Strut tower bar, and a HKS Super Mega Flow intake. it had too many miles on the engine and was ready to blow so i sold it for $500, i loved that car and its balance throughout the turns. my second car was a 1991 240sx i had TEIN HEs, TEIN tie-rods, TEIN tension rods, and a Japanese front end conversion without he SR20det. i had that car for 13 days, 8 of them were in teh mountains, and on oct 31 at 2am i crashed while on the touge.

so now i have come to the point where i have the money to buy either a mk2 or mk3 supra, i like the mk2s better because of the lighter weight and the fact that the mk3's engine will bolt pretty much straight in. but the mk3's have more of a tuning range so more can be done wiht them.

what are your guys views on the mk2s vs mk3s? how do they compare to eachother, how do they compare to the RX7 and the 240SX? how good are they at drifting? AutoCrossing? gymkhana? from what i know about suspension set-up it seems like a independent solid rear axle, which one could get the car sideways very easily, is that true? and once it is sideways is it predictable like its brother the ae86

i have been doing some research about the mk2 suspension tuning and i have found that very few people make parts for it, so i was wondering what you thought of it...

would this be a good shock set up?

KYB AGX in the front and KYB Gas-A-Just in the rear?
or is ther another adjustable shock that i would be able to use?
do any of the ae86 suspension parts work?

and does anyone know what are the spring rates for the Suspension Techniques Springs and the Eibach Pro-Kit springs?
and if you dont know, do you know which one works better for autocrossing and drifting?


thanks for all your help,
Zach

 

[KinTako]

i did notice that one guy had Tokico illuminas on his 82 race car, but i check the tokico site and they dont make illuminas for the mk2, how did he get a set?

 

[xrsupra85]

a few answers, i hope

With the tokiko illuminas, they were made for the gt gts's, but suposedly fit in on the mk2s and are supposed to work well with the mk2. There are a couple of sites I have seen that carry them. Toysport says it has the set:
http://www.toysport.com/
Other websites just have the front, but not back. If you ask me, I would either go with the tokiko or the konis, but the konis I have found arent the ones that I would want, I would rather have adjustables all way around, but u cant, but I did hear that the tokiko illuminas are supposed to be pretty firm.

........As for springs, toysport and other websites have either 1 or 1.3" lowering springs, and I think they are sport too....decent prices for entire kit at (for about $225):
http://935motorsports.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=79_15_21&products_id=119
Toysport also has addco sway bars, I think toysport has almost all you need to give your car the tight suspension, if thats what you really want.

 

[Dragonfyre]

what's an independant solid rear axle?

 

[KinTako]

well, i like to call it a independant solid rear axle because that is what it kiinda is. the technical term for it is a "trailing arm." it works exactly like the solid rear axle, but it is alot better. one car that has the solid rear axle that one could compare it to would be the ae86.

 

[KinTako]

I noticed that toysprt has GAB adjustables, is that the same as the KYB AGX? just wiht a cooler name?

 

[BillyM]

I was under the impression that Toysport was quite unable to get some of the things they have listed...

--BillyM

 

[SupraWes]

It is nothing like the AE86. That is a 5 link completely solid axle with 4 control arms and a panhard bar to stop side to side movements. The Mk2 Supra has a trailing arm rear independednt suspension like Z31's and BMW's. The differential is bolted to the subframe and does not move so you save on some unsprung weight there, but the toe changes as the suspension moves up and down which can make it do funny things sometimes. It would be good for what you want ot do if there were better springs and shocks avaliable for it. I would reccomend you get another S13 it has way better aftermarket support its lighter and the suspension in the rear is a better design. Hopefully you still have all your parts. Then add a Z32 brake upgrade and turbo the KA or put in an SR and be a copycat and make less power like everyone else does

 

[CJSREDPRA]

The topic of Tokico 5-way Illumina's have been covered in the past (this is another "search" item).

Chris C. (Flyin Hawaiian) did some extensive research earlier this summer on this subject.

Toysport DOES (sort of) still has a stash of Illumina's in stock. The rear shocks are the same between the RA Celica & the MA Supra (and these are still in stock), BUT the front strut cartridges are different. Toysport only has the ones for the RA Celica, and they have a softer dampening rate than the ones for the MA Supra. They will work in our car's, but you'll need to keep them on full stiff all of the time for them to work well.

Don't bother asking if we can ask for a special run of the front cartridges for the MA Supra. Tokico only made X amount of these carts, then the machining/tooling for these were destroyed. So we can't get anymore of these period!!!

Unlike Bilstein, which can rebuild their shocks/struts, Tokico is unable to do this. If you send in your Illumina 5-way's, all they can do is replace them w/ the standard HP's for our MKII's.

For more information on this subject, go here:

http://www.celicasupra.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=61&highlight=tokico+illumina

http://www.celicasupra.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1117&highlight=tokico+illumina

The Illumina's that Toysports has, are not cheap... They are wanting something like $400+ for all 4 corners.

Now for those of you who are "really paying attention" someone has a set of rear shocks f/s on EBay. Supposedly they only have 10K miles on them.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33590&item=2443462714

 

[CJSREDPRA]

did notice that one guy had Tokico illuminas on his 82 race car, but i check the tokico site and they dont make illuminas for the mk2, how did he get a set?

Dean's 82 race car already had the front Illumina's on the car when he bought it. He did not add them on.

 

[KinTako]

k thanks, i drove my first mk2 and i was wondering about a couple things... does the seat go back any farther? i noticed that with the seat all the way back the rear passengers still had room, is there a way for the seat to go back any further? i am 6'6" and need all the room i can get. also, which i have asked in another post, about the pedal placement and feel. to me the gas pedal of the mk2 is really hard, and takes some force to get it going, is this true for all mk2s? is there a way for me to adjust it so that i have a longer pedal through and a better feel so that it is easier to modualte? also is there a way to make the gas pedal and brake pedal flush with eachother so that heel-and-toeing will be possible?

 

[RWDCelicadude]

I don't know where Toysport is getting their info but they definitely can get Illuminas that will work, trust me, I bought them. Three problems with that though.
One: They are to soft for the supra.... I don't know if I buy that, I set mine on full stiff and can't get my car to move by jumping on it. They're damn stiff, they won't be quite that hard on a supra but I don't think you'll have any complaints.
Two: The rears Toysports sells are NOT meant for our cars, no matter what anyone tells you. Yes, they work, but if you car is not lowered you'll top out a lot. I top out mine on occasion and my car is lowered on ST springs.
Three: You have to wait, and wait, and wait, and when you stop trusting that Toysport is actually getting your shocks and think they just took your money, your shocks/struts will show up. At least that's what happened with me. According to Toysport they are ordered from Japan and have to get here on a boat, hence the two month wait. I don't know if I believe that but they finally got to me so I don't really care. If you don't mind the wait, the price, or having your car lowered then these are awesome dampeners.

 

[Deanfun]

k thanks, i drove my first mk2 and i was wondering about a couple things... does the seat go back any farther? i noticed that with the seat all the way back the rear passengers still had room, is there a way for the seat to go back any further? i am 6'6" and need all the room i can get. also, which i have asked in another post, about the pedal placement and feel. to me the gas pedal of the mk2 is really hard, and takes some force to get it going, is this true for all mk2s? is there a way for me to adjust it so that i have a longer pedal through and a better feel so that it is easier to modualte? also is there a way to make the gas pedal and brake pedal flush with eachother so that heel-and-toeing will be possible?

did you move the seat all the way back? that's as far as it goes. and gas pedals in older cars are stiff... the one in my 84 turbo k car was like a rock.

 

[KinTako]

i am pretty sure it was all the way back...

any word on the pedal placement, i just want an acknowledgment about it. or some feed back.