Wow Greg, can't believe the amount of information you have and are able to process it into the metamorphosis of the Supra. Still amazes me that until I happened upon CS.com a couple years ago, I thought that there was noone else that had a love for the second generation Supra.
The 1984-1988 Nissan 200SX (Silvia S12) comes to mind. I specifically remember Nissan's own TV commercials and print ads wld say "The 200SX was $XXXX amount of dollars cheaper than the Toyota Supra. Biters!
Theres better photos out there... I just found these fast to answer your question.
Nope Greg, you're completely off your rocker. :loser:
Super MK2 geek maniac! God - reading this makes me want a Supra again. I enjoyed reading your article G. Will lurk with wide open eyes for a while, I know there's one tucked away in a garage around here somehwere...
In a pictorial presentation, you key in on what you SEE in the picture (exterior), not where the motor is or how many it can seat.
I see the source of the Celica XX metal body flares in the scorpion, where you see the countach as the source of the MA67 P type flares.
I see the source of the Celica XX impact strip in the scorpion, that thick black stripe 'visual' shrunken down and made into an 'impact' strip by japanese functionality based design.
Then there's the rear window shape of course and the 'angular' body cues.
You said it yourself 'when I first laid eyes upon the 82 Supra in the Autumn of 1981...' - My eyes see the influence of Pininfarina design cues from the '77 Scorpion in the MA61. My eyes don't see the mid engine, or the two seat 'in the picture' Greg.
You're all pretty much car guys so I assume you just forgot this car but maybe some of you never heard of it before - the Bricklin. I always thought the MKII was a Japanese version of the Bricklin. Move the bumper strip out of the grill and add a few styling cues and they're practically the same car. That's why I bought my first one in '84 'cuz when I was comin' up I always wanted a Bricklin. Here's a little background for those who might want to know:
The Bricklin is a gull-wing sports car that was manufactured in Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada for exclusive sale in the United States. Production at the plant began in mid 1974 and continued through late 1975 with three model years resulting (1974, 1975 & 1976). There were 2854 cars built before Bricklin went bankrupt. An estimated 1500 still exist today. Bricklin International (BI) reports 570 active members with cars on the road and in restoration.
It is my recollection somewhere that the mid 70's celicas were influenced by Ford Mustangs. The 1982-1985 Celica coupe looks an awful lot like the Fox body mustang coupe.
As for the MK2, I can see many different influences as mentioned in the thread. The hood copied from the E-Type jag (and later Datsun Z car). Heck you can even argue the angular cues/creases were influenced from an Aston Martin Lagonda.
I agree with Ken about the L-Type fender flaring with the Lancia but not so much the other cues. Just my $0.02.
I should mention that a patent was awarded for the scorpion (1976) in the way the windshield glass was 'glued' in rather than within a rubber gasket allowing a more 'flush' installation.
1979-80 would be when the japanese designers chose to use this method in the Celica XX design, and also when royalties would have had to be paid on the patent.
Notice I reference 'Celica XX' in my posts.
That's to get Greg going on his love for his ricer P type flares tdr:.
The 200SX has already been mentioned as a descendant of mk2 design (I came within probably $100 of buying a 200SX turbo back in 87 after looking at dozens of mk2s and deciding I just probably wasn't going to be able to afford one.)
I also thought the Dodge Daytona and Chrysler Laser were influenced by mk2 design.
But then again, the mk2 was at the head of a general design trend that carried through much of the 80s - that being the wedge-hatchback shapes. Think about it - there were dozens to follow besides those listed: Starion/Conquest, Cordia, Honda Accord hatchback, Mazda 626 hatchback, Ford Escort EXP, Pontiac J2000 Sunbird and the list goes on. As Greg points out, a lot of it probably started with styling cues from the exotics from the italian design houses in the late 60s early 70s. Probably one of the first mass-produced cars in this style was probably the 74 Volkswagon Scirocco and y'all probably don't remember the infamous GM X-bodies, the 78 Buick Century/Pontiac Pheonix. Supra was clearly the best looking of all the wedges.
LOL look at that Daytona Laser thing.... the entire front end is stolen off a 3rd Gen Camaro (Chevy shldve sued)! The greenhouse and ass end were "inspired" by the 928. They were the biggest piece o' shits too. Iaococca was a whore!
So I've been in the market for another mk2, so far I've run into a lot of kids that are asking WAY too much money for a sketchy mk2.
Had one swear to me his car was all original and original paint (it was an 83 with 84+ taillights, and the "banner" supra badge)
Others are asking near 10k...
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