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Was just posting about the alternator and look at what we have here. I was on the freeway and heard something break. Kept going hoping it was not something vital and then could not keep it running after a bit. I guess that is what happens when the alternator is no longer being turned by the belt. What is the pulley I need?


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My guess is it involves one or more of these parts which was among the spare parts found in the car when I bought it.


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I am looking at my Haynes manual right now and having trouble finding what I am looking for. I need to know what the broken part is and how to find a replacement for it.

About to have to buy a new battery to run the car until I can get it back home. Could be worse, but did not expect to be on the side of the road already. haha

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Errr that's the water pump, way more important than the alternator. No battery power and you coast to a stop, no cooling though? Buh bye engine. Get it towed,or replace that pulley so the pump actually turns.
well, great

thank you for the information

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the part on the left is shown in the diagram, but you need more than that. I'm guessing you have an electric cooling fan on the radiator? If not you need mess of parts, and i'd be surprised if that fan didn't break a bunch of stuff on its way out of the car... That pulley is best found used, it doesn't come with the water pump kits usually from what I can find. Big thanks to Arch for this pic from this thread with more info like part numbers and such WTB: Water Pump Pulley 5MGE (1985 celica supra)
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idea (anyone) of where to find replacement parts for this?

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there is an electric fan on the radiator and I will send photos tomorrow when there is sunlight

thank you all

is this a common thing to happen to these and could it just be the pulley rather than the entire water pump seized up?

hoping for the best, but concerned

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I found this and am not sure it is what I need:


EDIT: African river company has it for less https://www.amazon.com/Gates-42230-...c5-9e50-ddca57902708&pd_rd_i=B000C2U85S&psc=1

Thank you again and I definitely am going to have to dig in to make sure I get what is needed replaced. I do not want to have to keep addressing this same issue because I did not replace everything. If there is a DIY for any of this, please send.

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that is the pump for our engine. it includes the sealing gasket, and the 4 studs needed to mount the pullies. These sems to have shreaded from your intial pic.
You still need the other parts of the pullies.
Since you have an electrical fan, you don't need the "coupling" item 16210 above, but need to make sure the nuts on the studs are secure on the pullies if you don't have one. The center bump in the studs might prevent the nuts to go in enough to properly clamp the pullies. You could use 2-3 washers to replace the missing thickness from the "coupling" flange.
Thank you! I will be checking all of this in daylight tomorrow and report back. Hoping for the best.

Looks like all the studs sheared off. You are definitely going to need a water pump, but I'm concerned that you kept going after the water pump ceased to function. Before you spend money on a water pump and other parts, you need to assess the damage to the cylinder head, pistons and cylinder walls. Check the following in this order: First check to see if the oil looks like a chocolate milkshake. If the oil looks clear, then check to see if there's any oil sludge in the radiator. Next, pull all the spark plugs, remove the distributor cap and turn the engine over by hand with a ratchet, noting if it binds up anywhere and that the distributor rotor turns. If it turns freely without binding and the distributor is rotating, then you may have dodged a bullet and it should be safe to try to start it. Last, put the spark plugs back, charge the battery and go ahead and try to start it. Don't run it for more than a minute without the belts in place, but if it starts and runs with a fresh battery then the engine is still ok and you can spend money on a new water pump and get a used replacement pulley. But if any of the previous tests are not good, then no point buying a water pump for a boat anchor.
I really appreciate your help and will see what I can figure out.
 

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Great news, all! Someone sent a PM to me for the water pump pulley. See below:
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Confidence is at maximum. I did find several on Car-Part.com that I am currently inquiring about. The below is from a 1982 Supra, so not sure about that one. There are others as close as Mississippi which is actually a Cressida.
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That DM is a scam for sure, jeez. New member, 1 post, less than 24h. Report that one to a mod. They will ask for paypal payment with friends only type transaction, and you'll never get what you need. I'll check my stash tonight while i'm at my shop space, i might have what you need, no promises though...

You need to buy a NEW waterpump, but the pulleys you'll need to get used, and they need to be ribbed later style pulley to match your alternator.
will get them reported and thank you!
 

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I mentioned in another thread maybe we should scan a pulley so we could get them CNC'd before they go extinct

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first experience with Car-Part.com and had one of the places I called tell me the stock number I gave them was inventoried 23 years ago haha

hoping I can find something at one of the listings and I suppose I will just go through it systematically
 

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$150 before tax sound right from someone on Car-Part.com?

it would be the entire "coolant pump" since it is coming from another yard in their network and is from a Cressida with the 5MGE

for everyone's knowledge, the other yard is shipping to this guy and then he ships it to me
 

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here's another I found by way of Car-Part.com and am trying to confirm it has the pulley on it

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getting bounced around between people when calling and I definitely want to see a photo of what I am buying here to make sure everything is there

the guy I finally got to help me said this may be a "phantom" which means they may have cored them out which means they may have scrapped them

again, I only need the pulley hahaha
 

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Post a WTB ad in the WTB section of the classifieds. Someone here will have one i'm sure. I didn't have an extra that i could find, only one bolted to my parts car with a mostly good engine that i'm not looking to strip just yet.

$150 seems super steep to me, but the junk yard has to make money i guess. Have you checked row52.com to see if a pull it yourself junk yard near you has a supra or cressida with a 5mge?
$150 guy is not even sure he has the part and I agree it is steep considering I do not even need the water pump itself. Give me what I need off of it and scrap the rest if you want or put it back on the shelf for the next sucker. :D

I will check row52.com and did not know about it previously. Also, checking local junk yards.
 

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unless I am missing something, the part number was not found on Row52.com

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