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My terrible day.. car struck by big rig while parked.

Howdy folks,

I'm still in shock and dismay.

If anyone in the bay area (or elsewhere) has, or sees, or knows of where I can source a rust free good condition hatch or anything else you might see damaged in the photos Please PM me or email me at my forum name at gmail.com

I will be attempting to gather up parts eventually, but this is so new its gonna take a while until i have in idea of what money I'll get to repair... I will post in the wanted section as well.

Yesterday, my supra was struck by a big rig hauling black top while parked and car covered (bright blue car cover) in front of my residence. The truck pushed my car 60 ft. down the street and up onto a small wooding retaining wall in my neighbors yard. Driver said he did not see my car. I was not home at the time, and my landlady called me while I was at work, saying my car was in the neighbors yard and was hit. I knew exactly what had happened.

The "city" ie.. Public Works Dept. opened up an "emergency use only" gate at the end of my road to allow construction trucks to come through to deliver black top to a paving project on the other side of the gate. I live just a few houses from the "end" of the road, and the road is very narrow and not even wide enough for a proper two lanes. Yet it seems (I assume this at this point) that it was decided to allows these trucks through most likely to make their drop off and reloading quicker, thus saving the city money, instead of routing them on a longer and not as direct route. The Neighborhood is very upset that these trucks came through here for 2 days, often 3-4 trucks back to back and driving at at crazy speeds. Luckily, no one was killed or hurt, as many people walk, ride bikes, run, often with pets and or kids in tow down our street. There are no sidewalks on this part of the street, so people HAVE to walk in the road for about a 1/4 mile which is the section I live on, and where my car was parked and hit.

The paving job is now down, and my car is wrecked. Many neighbors came out to bear my sorrow, as many know me and my supras and how I take care of them, and am always outside working on one or the other. Many folks took photos of my car, and said they were also going to call the police and city to complain about the trucks, and what had happened. The city did post signs saying only that the gate at the end of the road would be opened to allow traffic to come though as the paving project was taking place. It made no mention of trucks hauling material all day for two days, nor did it recommend moving vehicles off the road. It only said, that the city understands this may be a inconvenience for people and they apologize for this.

Personally, I feel the city operated with negligence. I feel at this moment (although still with much emotion) that I should also take legal action against the city. I know..long shot, but I feel this is partly someones fault for considering and allowing this to take place, and not even notifying us that trucks would be down our road. IF I WOULD HAVE READ THAT ON THE SIGNS I WOULD HAVE MOVED MY CAR FROM THE STREET DURING THIS PERIOD.

I feel I have a good argument already...but I digress...

The paving company has already reached out to me (the owners, and they say..don't worry we'll take care of you...) it will of course take some time to figure out what is needed, and for me to put together my proposal to them. My hope is that they will pay me directly and not go through insurance. I'm hoping they will not want to have a chargeable accident on their records, as I think this may.. "may" hinder them getting future bids possibly, but will of course raise their insurance. That said, the homeowner who lost his retaining wall will also file a claim on his end. Neighbors are pissed, and I hope this will go quickly and without insurance of course.

I'm going to have to show the value of my car, and I know about finding comps, and getting out my records of what I've done to it, etc. etc.

I'd like to ask anyone whom might have saved photos or perhaps ebay listing photos or screen shots of recent comps similar to my car, if they would be kind to share those with me, so I can start to formulate evidence to show my car's value. Since we all know insurance will go with a blue book value. I think comps need to be no longer than 6-8 months, but not sure..probably over a year is not usable.

the good news is I was able to get the car down, without any more damage, and nothing was damaged underneath. Car starts and runs, and I drove it today, and feels like nothing happened. It looks to me like the hatch is not fixable, and I hope everything else can be straightened out. Damage was to the rear corner, a large buckle in the rear fender, front right corner damage to the skirt and fender flare from when the car first hit the wall, and the rocker panel on the pass side in pushed upwards from underneath, again when it hit the wall. Those two areas look fairly easy for a shop to repair. I won't know for certain about the major damage until I take it in, for a frame alignment check, and they look at it..


I have videos later in the day of trucks having to weave around other parked cars and cars driving. this is a total mistake to have trucks that size on this dead end narrow road. Someone is liable, the driver..yes... and I believe the Public Works Dept.

Police report will be completed in a week or so, blame is entirely the driver's fault. so its just a money game now.

This really hurts..

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Unfortunately they're going to total the car with frame damage. So you'll end up with salvage title and all that hassle. It looks like it pushed the corner in and buckled the corner. There's a mk2 at the Fresno pick and pull if you're up for the drive.
 

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There's a mk2 at the Fresno pick and pull if you're up for the drive.
yeah, but that MKII has been there since mid-May. Anyone been out too see it recently?
 

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This guy has a flare;

https://modesto.craigslist.org/pts/d/toyota-celica-supra-parts-mkii/6645503092.html

I'm close to Modesto and could look if needed. I thought I saw someone was advertising a decent parts car in Grass valley somewhere.

Faith bumper in Santa Clara could definitely repair the front bumper and maybe the back one. The bumpers are honestly going to be the hardest to find. Have you considered buying the carbon hatch and painting it?
 

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I've seen that exact crumple in the rear quarter a couple of times and scrapped both. I think the car must be designed to crumple there to absorb impact altho yours was more crushed than hit. That's probably $15,000 or more worth of damage at shop rates. It would probably be more economical to buy a mint, trailer queen than to repair. The only trouble is that mint, trailer queens only show up for sale in the USA at the rate of about one every other year. Another option would be to use yours as a parts car and transfer all the good bits over to a straight, rust-free shell after its been painted. That's probably $15,000 at shop rates too but the advantage would be an unrepaired Supra with no welds or putty. I helped one of our members here do that about 13 years ago. His 50K mile black 84 got rear-ended and we got a 160K mile blue Texas Toast 85 for $750, stripped it of all its parts, had the shell painted black and spent three months of evenings and weekends transferring all the running gear, trim and interior. The insurance adjuster came over to my shop and might have been impressed with I think I had five Supras here at that time, but Keith still had to hold out for several months and I think finally got $7,500 which wasn't too bad for the time but covered the paint job and a whole bunch of NEW stuff like gaskets and fluids that were replaced during the swap. You're Supra looks like it was really good shape before the accident. Have the insurance adjuster watch the recent episode of Wheeler Dealers from last fall. I think they sold that mk2 at the end of the episode for $12,500.
 

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I've seen that exact crumple in the rear quarter a couple of times and scrapped both. I think the car must be designed to crumple there to absorb impact altho yours was more crushed than hit.
It is, the part behind the wheels is kept more solid so the gas tank doesn't get crushed. Its the opposite on newer cars because the gas tank is under the rear seats and everything behind the wheels is super soft.

There are some nice cars on CL for sale now, but they aren't giving them away either. There's some cheap parts car worthy Mk2s for sale, but they look pretty beat up. There's an L type for cheap that looks decent, but you'd only be able to get the hatch.
 

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Wow what a shame. I was going through the pics thinking "this isn't so bad, it handled that well" until I saw the wrinkle in the quarter panel. It's all over man. Well at the very least, as was said, it needs to gop to a frame shop for measurements, but the damage could be hidden under the quarter panel skin itself also.
 

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I do have a rear shock tower bar installed. Perhaps that also contributed to were the qrt panel crease it. I agree the car is probably meant to give a that location, but I'm hoping with the bar in there that it held the inner skin relatively in place.

the thought of a carbon fiber hatch came to my mind, I guess if I end up getting to a point of repair, and I don't source a new oem hatch, I could look at that option.. However, (I've no knowledge of carbon fiber) I was not aware that it could be painted successfully and with good results. If it can, then its def an option. next week it will go in for a frame check and I can discuss what might be involved. It pretty clear though, and I agree, insurance will total it, but I'm going to fight to hold onto it, and fix it if actually possible. I honestly don't want to buy another one, and swap stuff over. I'm 49 now, I don't have the time, or energy to rebuild another one, nor do I have the space to park one and do that kind of work, hense the reason it was on the road in the first place. Actually, I do have one parking spot off street, and that is usually where the SDR sits, but...for past 2 weeks I've been working on the 92. So, it could have been the 92 that got wrecked..which quite honestly, given a choice, I'm rather have the 92 wrecked.

the 86 SDR with the LG26 interior is what I've always wanted. I know every nut and bolt I've every loosened on that car. I'm so upset that they allowed these trucks down our road without give us warning.
 

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Very unfortunate, and i feel your pain.
This is why I park my cars on the grass when there is no more room in my driveway.
 

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Hey, this is fixable! I can tell from these photos how good of shape this thing is in and how much care you've put into it. I would fix or have it fixed if it were mine. Sorry Phill, your estimate is way high. Just take it to a good shop and see what they say. I've fixed cars with that exact dent, it comes from the rear frame rail bending. If you look in your hatch you probably have some distortion in the floor. But the good news is, this isn't that big of a deal for a bodyshop to repair. It is true most insurance companies will look at that damage and the age of the car and automatically try and write it off, but it doesn't mean it's that expensive orhard to fix. Get a shop to look it over and give you a quote. I fixed an ae86 with identical quarter panel damage once and stripped the thing down in the rear myself and brought it to a shop. They charged me $200 to rack it and make a single pull to put the rear frame rails back in place.

Also try PMing Jason Moorman...
https://www.celicasupra.com/forums/showthread.php?117345-FS-My-chassis-w-NAL-seat-covers-DP-amp-exhaust-etc

He's in San Diego and he recently met with tradgey too with his 85 SDR except the front end of his burned to the ground. He MAY still have the chassis.
 

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But there's a lot more than just the rear quarter. There's front and rear bumper covers, a right-front fender and flare, the hatch, rocker panel AND it didn't go over that high of a retaining wall without damage to the suspension and undercarriage. I expect the oil pan is even bent. I'm betting the radiator support is damaged too and it looks like even the right side of the car has been compromised because the passenger door has been popped tho maybe its just because its teetering over a wall. And I figure with the quarter panel involved plus multiple other panels, I'd insist to the insurance that the whole thing needs to be painted so that it doesn't fade to look like a patchwork quilt in a year or two which if it were here in Fort Worth, that'd be $5,000 to $7,000 just for the paint not including the repairs. As a DIY job, the car could probably be saved economically, but I'm talking full service at the Toyota dealer's body shop or other high-end shop. I'll be curious how close I've guessed.
 

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I agree with those that say it's totaled. Best thing to do: buy a supra with a blown engine and transfer all the good stuff over.
I've seen Rick's car. Very clean. A real tragedy.
He helped me rebuild the top end of my 83. A great guy. I wish him luck.
 

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15k is probably high, but probably pushing close to high single digit numbers. My Corolla was wrecked less than this and I think it was like 6k estimate and this was with me purposefully pushing them to estimate it as low as possible. Obviously you can fix it yourself for less, but the bay area is expensive. Most body shops are 120+ and hour and the paint is incredibly expensive here. Half a pint of paint for my Subaru was $150 just for the base coat. I'm not sure how the insurance will price the parts on a Supra. My Corolla there are hundreds of used parts to price from. I'm not so sure there are many yards with these parts listed. Hopefully this wasn't a city vehicle and just a contractor. I've always heard government insurance is a pain to deal with.

In regards to the insurance you can definitely keep the car. The insurance will give you a price to keep and to get rid of the car. Basically its whatever they think they'll get at auction for the car. For my Corolla it was like $500 less to keep it. The bummer if you keep it in CA you have to pay for a years registration when you get new plate and then have to pay it again when the tags come in based on the original month.

FWIW there's this Mk2 in SJ coming up this week at copart. It looks like it has everything you need minus the front bumper. https://www.copart.com/lot/38734918

That said I'm kind of surprised you leave your cars outside in the bay area.
 

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Well, sorry about the agony caused by the distracted truck driver who rammed your very nice SDR.

If you do repair it as desired there will likely be hidden damage that will not be evident until it manifests itself later. I was once squeezed against a curb by an Alum Rock cheese delivery truck making a sweeping right turn on Fremont blvd and years later I discovered that the steering box main shaft was partially sheered. Scary stuff that made me think more seriously about driving wrecked cars.

Best of luck.

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It was a paving company's truck, so they (the owners) are the whom I will deal with initially and then possibly their insurance, not the city's insurance.

I rent, so I am forced to make some compromises as to where I can park my two supras. I've lived on this dead end street (about 100 yards from the end) for past 5+ years and only reason I still live here is the rent of course, and that I felt it was safe to have one of the two cars on the street. There are only about 10-15 cars that live further down to the end, so in general there is always very very little traffic. I can not afford to have one in storage, so I have to keep them were I live. Not to mention that in Santa Cruz, it is practically impossible to find a place as a renter where you can park more than one car off street, AND have a landlord that allows you to do major repairs on them. Luckily, my landlady's husband was owned an auto repair business, so she is comfortable with cars being worked on. For the first 3 years I lived here, I was actually able to park both cars off street, but someone talked to my landlady and told her that she was giving me (as a renter) an accommodation above and beyond what is considered normal in these parts and, so she restricted me to only one spot. (that is another story of which I'm very upset about...) I thought about moving when that happened, but..again... its too difficult to find even a location similar to what I have now.,

So now, I have only one spot off street, which is usually where the SDR is parked, and so I switch the SDR and 92 when I'm working on one or the other.

So its really due to the city opening up the gate for the trucks, without proper warning to residents. Because I work during the day away from home, i was not here on Monday to see what was happening, nor realize I needed to move my car. It was only during the day of the wreck, when I spent the afternoon removing the car from the wall/yard that I became aware of how many trucks were passing though. And it also partly due to the paving company not having a flag person/s down here to direct the trucks and other traffic properly. Again, why I feel there is negligence involved.

there is minor damage to the front corner and front fender flare, it will need some repair to the flare and repainting of course. And under the rocker panel is also just a slight bend. The doors are fine. Nothing was damaged underneath, I've taken a good look and everything looks fine, nothing is leaking, nothing is wet, and it drives fine also. Luckily, the neighbors retaining wall was all 15 year old wood, and most of it was rotted out, so it kind of all broke apart and collected under the under the engine area. I was able to pull it all out from under there and it was all rotten, so it kind of acted like a cushion somewhat, and I think kept the car from moving further into the yard and possibly hitting his trees. It's all in the rear corner and the side fender.

I'm hoping the paving company owners will be reasonable and accept my offer when I get it too them, and it does not go to insurance, we'll see.
 

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The housing crisis in Santa Cruz is why I left two years ago. Sharing houses with difficult people, resorting to living in motels when sharing did not work out, sleeping in my 4runner on weekends------living out of a storage locker----it gets very old.
Rick, if you do the math, you may find swapping into a good shell is best but is sounds like you want to repair what you have. Hope you get compensated well.
 

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Here's video I took later in the afternoon, after removing the car from the yard. Car is parked pretty much where it was when it was hit. You can see a truck coming down the road, having to move around parked cars and moving cars. At this point in the day, the trucks of course were moving at a crawls pace since by this time, I'm sure all of the drivers were informed by their company to slow down. They were definitely not going this slow prior to the wreck. There are no sidewalks here, and on the opposite side of the road, debris from the trees and vegetation have covered up the curb that is there further reducing the width of the road. Note the Nissan GTR at the start of the video which was not hit, so the truck that hit my car successfully made it past that car, only to move to the right striking my car. Another sign the driver was not paying attention. Another thing to note is that my car was parked even further off the road as that GTR. I always parked with the pass side tires up on the top of the sloped curb.

https://youtu.be/KR-qtRPYis8
 

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this sucks I would sue the trucking company and the city, did you try and see if any of the neighbors have on video as this is a hit and run and they would be liable for all damage

car is repairable and I highly doubt even 8k at a great body shop and I wouldn't take to the steelers I mean dealer for repair
 

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I was able to uncover some video footage from a neighbor's security camera of the time frame of the incident involving my car and the big rig. It was explained to me that the police report will show the driver is 100% at fault, and this is no longer an investigation. However, I think it is important to show that the driver knew something happened, as clearly shown by the trucks behavior, but that he did not remain.

My car is not in the frame, but shows the front yard and road in front of their house, which is the next house up the road from where my car finally came to rest. (about another 30ft). The truck's cab that hit my car is painted red.

The camera was activated 15 minutes after I left for work, showing a red cab colored truck slow to a stop, then move out of frame. I notice as it passes through the frame that the truck is missing its pass side rear wheel center cap. Although other identification is not visible (ie.. CA plate), the state of the rear wheel and its missing center cap would indicate if this is indeed the truck involved. However, the neighbor has no other videos of a red truck between the time I left for work and before this camera trigger, so its pretty likely this is the moment the collision took place.
 

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Update: Two weeks after the incident, I finally got the police report, and also assembled a demand letter and submitted it to the trucking company's insurance. Progressive.

When I called Progressive, they had no record of the incident. No one from the Trucking company nor the driver called in that he ad crashed into my car. This was two weeks after it happened. ...Unbelievable.


I've already submitted three comps along with my Demand letter to the claim agent. One was an ebay listing from June that ended with a winning bid, the other two were just local bay area Craiglsist for sale ads. As I suspected, they said those listings are not valid to show value, as in the case of the eay listing that ended with a winning bid, there is no proof that the winning amount was actually paid.

I had nothing else to submit though and felt it was a good place to start with those.

Next week later, they are sending out an adjuster.

So, I have an idea about how to show my car's value. Please help if you know this person I'm describing below:

At some point in the past year, there was a mint 85 SDR with Maroon cloth (an auto I think) for sale on craigslist here in the bay area, San Jose I believe. This past June there was a local bay area Supra meet-up in Livermore. Although I did not attend the meet, I think that this car was at the meet along with its new owner.

If anyone who attended the meet can confirm this, and knows this person, PLEASE get in touch with me. I've already send an email to Supra Derek as he managed setting up the meet. I regretfully did not go to the meet, nor did I save the email the Derek sent out, which would have this person's contact.

I would like to ask this new owner's help in documenting my car's value based on his recent purchase.

thank you
Rick
 
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