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I was almost convinced that the PBR Deluxe pads were the best choice for me until I read a review from someone who put them on a volvo and said that when driving in rain on the highway, he had problems with the brakes grabbing when he first hit the pedal. He said they were great in dry weather, but I am concerned about the rain and the "greasy" feeling he described. Have you experienced this? Could the rotor have an affect on the slipping?
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ive read a few threads were people trim the subframe bushings to help neg camber. Can someone further explain as im in the process of putting polyurethane bushings in the subframe and im trying to reduce negative camber as much as possible. (ive also got the u-weld camber kit which i plan to put in).
 

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Yep, I did that as well, though I never did the diff mounts and should have. There is a steel insert inside the big donut subframe pushings, you need to hack the top off so the subframe sits flush on the body. I havn't noticed any extra vibration but I assume theres some. The bracket the diff attaches to needs to be removed and its bushings trimed down the same amount, or as much as you can as well.
 

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If you are installing the Superpro bushing you can't mod them like the stock bushings.
 

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Joelfoe just did away with his subframe bushings. Welded a disc of metal in on the bottom and bolted the subframe straight to the body, it helped alot with the camber and with elimanting subframe movement.
 

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Just added a set of 30mm RCAs from Techno Toy. I have some of the Suprafiend Mods- Celica steering arms, cut Cressida strut tubes, 350# coilovers, Big Cressy Brakes, and am lowered about 1-1/2 inch in front. This setup has been present for about a year. The cressida RCAs were their closest match to what I had. They do fit-however they are a PITA to install. The new hardware needs control arm mods(Big Hammer) to fit in holes. Holes on celica arms are a RCH off, so you line everything up, get bolts started in both holes, and then tighten away. The RCAs top insert into strut tubes is an interference fit, so they dont line up because of arm bolt hole difference until they are compressed. Then contol arm interferes on brake disc during last little bit of install, requiring more modding(Big Screwdriver). The difference in handling is substantial-No more bump steer, and no more ocean liner lean during sharp corners. My OE wheels still fit, also.:thumbsup: Quality pieces, Im glad I went this route instead of making my own. They still dont list Supra RCAs, as the Supra strut tubes have a different bottom profile. Well worth it for any lowered car.
 

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Ok-They may sell the cressy ones for Supras, also. I didnt ask Gabe. The Supra Tubes I have on hand have a slightly different inside "chamfer" from the cressies on the car. About a 1/2 mm extra meat on one side inside the cressies, and a different shape. The difference in strut camber angle between cressy and supra is documented elsewhere(maybe in first post) . The RCAs they sold me wouldnt fit into either set of tubes by hand. The directions say something about the Toyota castings having production variances, maybe that is all this is. After all, they are castings:duh: They did press fit without having to get out the grinder. Drove the car 150 miles today, its a LOT better.:thumbsup:
 

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You may have had better luck with celica strut tubes too. How's your camber though? I was expecting cressida strut tubes to have less negative camber then celica ones.
 

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The 1/2 - 3/4 degree in positive camber, is why I grabbed the cressy strut tubes when I picked up the big brake stuff. :thumbsup: I dont know how many people are running the steering arm mod AND the cressy tube/spindle mod, but for those who are, thought they should know that the pieces do work, even though at first fit they dont seem to....
 

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just reading back on some amazing old threads and just curious about this mod i read alomst every page of this but didnt really find this answer. so what im getting out of this is that the celica ones are shorter but you need the strut tubes also but what about just getting the corolla arms and tapering those out to the right size for the balljoint? i understand that the celica ones are offset a little bit to the inside which is why you need the tubes to match it but yeah i just didnt catch the answer to the corolla ones. Really amazingly informational thread tho loved readin it XD
 

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Thanks. Some of the info is a little dated now and could use some updating, and this thread has unfortuantly become quite bloated, but there's still some good stuff in it. Maybe I'll get a new one going someday.

Anyways, the big difference with the corolla arms is that the strut bolt pattern doesn't match, it is smaller. However, this isn't necesarily a deal breaker. Originally I ovalized the inner strut mount hole on a corolla arm so that it could bolt to a supra strut. I gave up once I realized that the ball joint hole was different too, but you could in theory use the corolla arm if you did both mods to it. A buddy is running that set of corolla arms with ra6x strut tubes right now on his ra2x celica with good results (those celicas have the same ball joints as corollas). The corolla arms actually have the same offset on the center hole as the stock supra ones too, but what might get you is the thickness of them. They are much thinner, which means your LCA height is going to be affected (correctable with a big RCA), but also you may have trouble bolting it to the Supra ball joint as there might not be enough threaded section to snug the bolt up against the arm, might need some washers. The corolla arm is also another 1/2 inch shorter then the celica one. Thats great for turning ratio, but might introduce some serious bumpsteer or binding issues due to the rack being mounted to work best with supra arms, hard to say. I'm tempted to try though now that you mention it, but I still think the Celica PS arms are safest and easiest to adapt. The additional front spacing in terms of wheel clearance that you get out of them is a nice bonus too.

One thing I should reiterate about the celica arms incase it was missed, is you still loose a little bit of negative camber from them even with the celica GTS strut casings. I haven't measured exactly yet, but from driving with 0 camber on my plates and from eyeballing, it looks like you end up with about 0 camber from adding the Celica GTS\PS arms and strut casings to a Supra with no camber adjustment. So be sure to adapt them only if you plan to add crash bolts or camber plates. I autox regularlly and this slight loss of camber hasn't been an issue with my Cusco camber plates. I often end up maxing out the plates at autoxes with this setup, but thats still a serious amount of negative camber and my tires are warming up very evenly inside to outside so I don't feel that I need more.
 

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I looked through this whole thread and can't find the info I thought might be here. I keep seeing the celica strut casings listed as 2 styles - ST/GT or GTS. Is there even any difference?

Reason for asking: I have a pair of the shorter celica steering arms that I will ream out someday, and I will need the strut casings to work with them. I used car-part.com to find a pair of celica struts locally, and they are ST/GT ones. If they'll work I want to snag them! I've been searching the junkyards for years and when a Celica finally comes in, someone has beaten me to the struts.

Thanks to all the veterans who have paved the way with this mod!
 

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There is no difference between trim models in regards to the strut casings, the difference lies in whether the vehicle had power steering or not (though if STs had no PS, that wouldn't be the case). Up here I belive we just got GTs and GTSs (I recall encountering one non PS celica here once, but only one), and they all seem to have power steering and they all have the right struts. Basically, if the car came with PS, it has the short steering arms and it has the correct strut casings, but I'm pretty sure even the non PS strut casings will have the same axel angle. The length of the steering arm has no effect on what the ideal axel angle would be.

This thread is really old and I'm sure full of some outdated and contradictory information by now, so its time for a little refreshing (I'd like to replace the whole thing at some point actually). It should be mentioned here now that the primary reason for doing this mod can now be attained easier by ordering Techno Toy Tunning's short steering arms made specifically for the mk2...
https://technotoytuning.com/toyota/ma60/steering-knuckles-ma60-supra

These arms retain the stock ball joint offset as the stock mk2 arms, so you don't need the celica strut casings.

HOWEVER, there is still a very significant advantage to my original mod. Since the PS ra6x Celica steering arms relocate the strut further inboard, and due to the corrections you have to make to retain proper camber (celica strut casings and camber brackets, more on that in a sec), you end up moving the entire strut inboard top and bottom and create approx an extra half inch of front wheel spacing. This means you can run a rim with a lower offset (approx 10-13mm less) and fit a wider wheel. The caveat is even with the celica strut casings, you will still be at slightly less negative camber then stock. This mod requires camberplates, something I had not fully realized when I originally posted this thread. Its not off alot (I should still measure it to see just how much), but enough to hurt mid corner grip and affect outer tire wear. With camber plates though, you will have more then enough adjustment range. I run very aggressive camber settings at autox, almost maxed out on my cuscos, but I don't seem to need more negative camber (and track driving requires even less), my inner vs outer edge tire temps are quite good and my lateral grip seems to have peaked.

So what about scrub radius if you're running lower offset wheels you might ask. Well, more good news here. Generally going to a lower offset in the front screws up your scrub radius, as your tire's centerlne moves away from your "Dave point". Dave Coleman of Sport Compact Car fame took it upon himself to name the point on the ground that your tires rotate around. That point should always be as close to the centerline of your tire as possible. The offset your car came with from the factory was determined to position the tire dead center over your Dave point. Your Dave point is dictated by the location of the rotation points of the strut assembly (in a macpherson strut car anyways), so run a line from the top of the strut to the center base of the ball joint and extend that line to the ground and thats your Dave point. With my celica strut mod, the ball joint stays in place, but the top of the strut (and the rest of it) move inboard, which effectively projects the Dave point outwards. Thus, you actually should run a lower offset to maintain the factory scrub radius. This works for me as I like my old school, low offset jdm wheels, but for those who have already settled on their +10ish offset wheels, its another thing to consider before going this route (and yes spacers can help with this). FYI, I run 15x8 -12 upfront right now and have plenty of flare to tire clearance (actually more then I'd like) with 225 tires and slightly more agressive camber then stock.
 

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Thanks for taking the time to make that very informative post! I already have the celica P/S arms, and I like that they will suck the front wheels inward a little. I'm also going to run front Starion hubs or Corvair hubs with hat-style front rotors, so that adds back some track width. The wheels I want to run stick out from the flare a little, so maybe these mods together will make the wheels fit better - I'm hoping anyway. I'll post about it when I actually do try fitting the parts and have results. For now I can at least get some struts!

Edit 5/24/13 - The struts I wanted locally are scrap. They have been sitting in water for the last 2 1/2 years, and rusted to the point of the spring perch broke/rusted off. Drat!! Why are these things so hard to find?!

Edit 11/27/13 - I finally scored a set of front struts, steering arms, hubs and control arms from an 85 Celica GT coupe at U-Pull-It for around $40, so now I can finally do some test-fitting of brake and suspension parts. Woohoo!

I like the "Dave point" explanation! What a guy. I'm glad this mod will work in my favor as far as that goes.
 

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the pics dont work any more. what happened? they all say unknown photo. any way to get them working again?
 
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