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i have to pick up my supra friday, but i am going to use a 2-wheel dollie, where the front 2 wheels go up on the dollie. is that safe as long as i put the car in neutral, its a manual. i dont know if i can put the car on backwards, then i mite run into the problem of the steering wheel turning etc. i am going to be driving 200 miles wit it on the dollie.
 

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when i got my parts car towed home, he picked upt he rear end and fastened the steering wheel so it didn't turn.

I believe that is the correct way to tow a rwd car. do you really want the drivetrain turning freely for 200 miles?
 

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ive heard both ways done by "professional" towers.

im lazy, and i just get deck trucks to tow me :D
48 bucks in town, and 75+ from out of town.

anyone in edmonton that needs towing, call "mikes towing"


as for the dollie, id suggest lifting the front wheels, after all, your only going 200 miles, but if in that 200 miles the front wheel slips loose and turns the front wheels while youve got the rears lifted... well, id say youll be looking for a new supra :(
 

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Oh the memories. I've put my Sup on the dollie before. You wanna put the front wheels up so that the car doesn't move around on the road. There will be straps where the front wheels go. Make sure they're on tight so that the car doesn't slip and go bye bye. Oh and make sure you put the E-brake down too!
 

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I towed mine on a dollie with the front wheels up. Unfortunately, it started snowing about half way home, and around a corner we lost it and the dolly mutilated my friends bumper. The Supra was ok though :) Other than that, we had no problems. Kinda scary to see the car you are towing out the drivers side window though.....
 

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It's perfectly safe to tow the car with the drivetrain freewheeling. After all, it's no different to driving the car 200 miles. This only applies to cars with manual transmissions though; you can cause damage to an automatic transmission if you let the drivetrain freewheel. This is because the hydraulic pump is on the input shaft of the auto, which means there is no oil pressure if the engine isn't running. No oil pressure = no lubrication = dead auto. :(
 

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Ahh yes the tow home, perfectly safe, take your time on the way home, i pulled my 83 "l" w/ my toyota @ 45miles, and had pulled my 85 "p" i think it was 200+ miles.. w/ Mike. i couldn't tell the car was back there, but i wasnt driving either :evil: you should be fine. just take the advice we have already given ya. if you feel something wrong stop! and dbl check. i dont wanna hear any BAD stories over this!
 

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YIKES! I can see a whole bunch of dead trannies coming...

Norbie, you're right about the automatic and no line pressure. If you tow an auto, you risk burning out all your final drive clutchs :oops:

However you can EASILY destroy a manual tranny by towing it by the front wheels.

If the rear wheels are allowed to turn, EVEN IF the tranny is in neutral, you will burn out either your speed gear bearings or your output shaft bearings due to lack of lube.

a manual tranny relies on the countershaft in the tranny spining to lubricate the entire spinning assembly. If its in neutral, the counter shaft is going to be held still by the input shaft because of engine compression, and the output shaft will be allowed to spin dry, therefor burning out speed gears.

If you have to tow by the front wheels, put the rears on dollies too, or take the driveshaft off (good luck on a MKII :lol: ) OR, you could let the car idle when it is being towed so that the counter shaft is being turned and the assembly is being lubed. Thats what I do =)

Aaron
 

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Well your mostly right Aaron, but theres a few things you didn't think of. Yes the counter shaft provides the majority of the lubrication for the transmission by flinging oil up with its gears, but you forgot 3 important things.

1. When the car is in neutral the only gear on gear contact in the whole transmission is between the counter gear on the counter shaft, and the counter gear on the input shaft, and neither of these turn if the rear wheels are turning and the car is in neutral. Therefore the only thing that needs lubrication is the output shaft, or more specificly, its bearings.

2. The bearings on the output shaft (and also the couter shaft) appear to be sealed bearings, so they should be good with or without constant external lubrication. If someone who has actually ripped apart a w58 could confirm this that would be cool (I'm just going by the FSRM diagrams).

3. The biggest gears on the output shaft or located at the rear of the transmission, this obviously includes both 1st and reverse. These gears will be more then big enough to dip into the oil reserve and fling up enough oil to lubricate the few parts that are in motion (really just the output shaft). Also, if the car is jacked up front end first, then the majority of the oil in the tranny is going to be sitting at the back of the tranny where those big gears are anyways.

So in conclusion I think its pretty safe to tow a w58 equiped supra by the front end. I'd also say its safe to say that toyota thinks of these things when they design their trannies, they have been doing this since 1935. Also your very own mk2 Aaron has been towed numerous times, long distances in a couple instances, and it never seemed any worse for wear after towing. Oh, and what do you mean about the drive shaft? They're two piece units and come off very easily, only 4 bolts on either side. I've taken yours and others off many times, its the easiest part of switching a diff or doing a clutch change. Not trying to rag on yah man, just want to see the correct facts come out about this subject as its something we all wonder about. :)
 

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Id say driveshaft removal is one of the easier drivetrain parts to remove. 4 bolts holding it together and the center support bearing, 2 bolts holding it to the frame.
 

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Seamus,

No harm done =) Didnt realize that the bearings were sealed. I always thought Toyota's manuals said NOT TO tow by the front wheels... I guess I didnt read the owners book well enuf =)

Oh, and about the driveshaft... It looked like a bugger when I was under the car, but I never tried to get it out. I was just making an asumption! lol

Cheers,

Aaron
 
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