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i have had a friend who smashed up his brand new car due to this stupid accelerating thing. he was t boned by a dump truck... yikes eh,
 

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My VW bus used have a sticky throttle during ice fog (-50C). :iocrunks2: Damn crazy ride!
 

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Soulbait, maybe you can handle your car with the engine off (hence no power steering or power brakes) but I'm sure someone else would probably freak out when their steering wheel got heavy as shit :eek4dance: They'd either forget to hit the brake or realize how hard it is to break now and freak out more hahaha
 

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saw this on late night 20/20 or nightline thursday.. not sure what to say about this but that I still love my toyota. I did once have an issue with an improper floor mat that kept getting caught with the accelerator on my mk2.
 

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I think with manual tranmissions and the people that know how to drive them going away this is going to happen with more cars with a lack of knowledge about what neutral means. I find it hard to believe Toyota requires a 3 second push to turn the engine off. I tried this in a parking lot with the Z06 and the engine shuts off with a push of the button.
 

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This happend to me on my new Tacoma (2010) truck after I pulled out of a parking lot. I had put in a set of clear mats over the factory mats and I reached down and pulled on the mat and the Gas pedal made a pop every thing was ok. I inspected my pedal and it is real sharp and thin at the bottom and the cast from the mold had not been trimmed off. I removed the clear mat. I think the fix for this is a redesigned gas pedal assy.

For those of you who did not know I dumped the mini van when the lease was up and traded in the Pt Cruiser for a 2010 Tacoma SR5 Prerunner Sport>



 

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Nice ride...I got a 06 SWB TRD sport extended bed...but to go back the thread topic I think this might be overkill on the part of the government
 

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Ummm...turn key to off?

I had a car that the accelerator peddle got stuck...turned key to off voila...i slowed down...
The latest crash really brought this issue to the forefront at the NHTSA;

A 19-year veteran of the CHP (traffic cop - definitely, and accident reconstruction specialist - I believe) was driving a "loaner car" from his dealer, when this occurred. His own car was a Toyota while his loaner was a Lexus. I doubt he was given detailed instructions on how to operate it. Specifically, the detail regarding the need to depress the off button for a full three seconds - to kill the engine.

Of course, when the car is going 120mph, you've worn out the brakes, I doubt anybody is in the state of mind to to hold onto any button for a second, let alone three. The car, and the family (husband/ wife/ child/ adult cousin) went off the roadway (at a tee-intersection) and disintegrated in a ball of flames.

BMW has a system in place where if the accelerator and brake are depressed at the same time the braking system will override the throttle control input. Yes, these complicated cars (running with computers and lots of electrical inputs) are not the cars of yesterday. Somehow, I think the floormat issue is only incidental, meaning that there is a greater problem with the signals being sent out and received.

As a sidenote, I like to pride myself on knowing "all about" cars. Just recently, for a trip to Vegas we decided to rent a car. Went to Hertz and was ready to get our car (a Ford Crown Vic), but was told none were available - but they "upgraded" us to a Toyota Avalon. Fine with me, as it was outfitted with every bell and whistle (sure as hell looked an awful lot like a Lexus inside).

But then I sat in the parking lot like an idiot, trying to figure out how to start the damn car. Okay, no key to put in the dash. Fine, I push the button...
... is it on? I can't hear it. Went back inside, only to be told I had to depress the brake pedal as I pushed the start button.

I never would have known to depress that button for three seconds...
... but I sure as hell would have tried to destroy that transmisssion or sideswipe the shit out of the nearest guardrail (at least I hope I would have been able to - and not be panic striken, like that officer and his family).

Toyota has got some explaining to do. Not only to the various government agencies, but to the buying public. They might consider asking Audi how they dealt with the b.s. they had to deal with, or Suzuki and their "rollover" crap.

Cars are extremely technical these days, but adverse public notice is not. If Toyota doesn't get it right they will be regretting sitting on their behinds for years to come.
 

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Nice truck Tiksman !

The Tundra and the Taco both have a really low arm on the gas pedal linkage. It hits the damn floor so you would think that would have set off a few red lights in the design stages . I haven't had any issues yet but I didn't use the factory mats from day 1 .


WeatherTech FTW !! :thumbsup:

 

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The technology used in these cars has grown exponentially over the years...unfortunately most of the public (and some dealership employees for that matter) have not been able to keep up with the learning curve.

The 3 second interval required to shut down the engine while driving is there to prevent an unintended shut down while under normal operation...how ironically tragic is it that a feature put there for safety's sake was presumably a contributor to the loss of life? Very sad.
 

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The latest crash really brought this issue to the forefront at the NHTSA;

A 19-year veteran of the CHP (traffic cop - definitely, and accident reconstruction specialist - I believe) was driving a "loaner car" from his dealer, when this occurred. His own car was a Toyota while his loaner was a Lexus. I doubt he was given detailed instructions on how to operate it. Specifically, the detail regarding the need to depress the off button for a full three seconds - to kill the engine.

Of course, when the car is going 120mph, you've worn out the brakes, I doubt anybody is in the state of mind to to hold onto any button for a second, let alone three. The car, and the family (husband/ wife/ child/ adult cousin) went off the roadway (at a tee-intersection) and disintegrated in a ball of flames.
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The guy was an idiot IMO. All he had to do was push shift lever up to "N" and brake normally. He might not have had power brakes, but he could've slowed the car down. After he burned the brakes up he still would have crashed even if it shut the engine off. I think this kind of stuff is more likely to happen no that no one knows what the heck neutral means.

The only thing that is mind boggling to me is that it requires a 3 second push. I tried this in my Z06 at the car shuts off at a push of the button.
 

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MKI...... rod actuated. FTW!!! :naughty:
 

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:stupid: at any rate in my Camry when you have the gas pedal depressed and then turn the key off it stays running it just sounds like a diesel and then you still have power brakes and power steering as long as the engine is on you have both.
 
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