If you stayed NA and went for a fully built 20/22R hybrid with high compression, cams, 4-1 manifold and sidedrafts or ITBs, you'd be looking at 150 hp, maybe? LC Engineering's Street Performer is 130 or so. Their $4k stroker is rated at 147hp. That's on par with the stock Supra motor.

Unless an RA6x crossmember bolts in to the MA, you're looking at fabrication to adapt a motor that makes less power and will require spending a good bit of cash to bring it up to the same level of power that the motor you just ditched made. For the price of your engine swap and the requisite mods, you'd be spending about the same to do a low boost turbo on a 5M.

If you want an R series in a Supra body, get a Celica GT-S. I don't see how weight savings will justify a lower powered engine in this case. Not when you have parts support from our vendors.

 

I assume you plan on putting the 22R in the supra because
you have a 22R. Well, I have a perfect 5M-GE motor and
my best friend needs a 22R for his truck.

If this is the case lemme know, and we'll just swap
motors.

Jeff

 

Also, _trust me_ a 22R will NOT be better in your supra. PERIOD. I've had 13+ Toyota
trucks, and over two dozen supras. I know what I'm talking about.


(oh yeah and I've had a 350hp 302 powered V8 4Runner, a 200rwhp 22r, 82 pickup,
450rwhp 7M-GTEs, etc. I'm quite sure .

Jeff

If you have a 22R and wanna swap for a perfect 5M, lemme know.

 

do you seriously think its that much more expensive to supe up a 22R versus boosting and modding a 5MGE. im not saying ive done it but it would seem to me that after you fab up the motor which shouldnt cos that mnich with someone who knows what theyre doing .
the 22R makes 96HP wit ha stock aisin carb in stock form while the supra makes 145.
now to get an extra 50HP will not cist much at all. upgrade the cam, get some nice 45 or 50 weber sidedrafts,a header, some port nad polishing, that shouldnt run more than about 1500. and should give you the 50 HP you lacked already. Now m not ragging the 5M. but how much does it ocst to boost even low boost a 5MGE. with parts and everything. not to mention modding it up. Plus the obvious weight differnce is a big differnce. i was jus tthrowing it out here. and if the RA6X cross member bolts in to the MA6X chassis then you save even more moeny but thats all if. and since the W58 was an option for the RA6X celicas no tom ention they use the same IRS its a pretty good swap. i think its a justifyable swap. due to the fact that aprts are a lot less expensive

 

now if i was talking abou th dropping in a bone stock 22R in a MA6X just for the weight differnce i would eb an idiot be cuase then and only hthen will the weight differnce be insignificant. And its still possible to gt 300+HP out of a 22R just as it is wit ha 22R it just coems down to cost really

 

TE72...... I can swap in a 7mgte,stock,for what you can build/swap a decent 22re.With minor mods to the 7mgte,I can be at 300+whp...... reliable,drive it every day,in traffic.A 22re built to 300whp,will not be nearly as reliable,suck for daily driving,probaly cost more,and the weight savings won't offset the torque loss.

<--- Not being an ass.....just realistic.

 

Listen to Junkie, his post is _dead_ on. I have had a 200rwhp 22r.

20R head ported and polished, oversized valves, bumped up compression to 12.5 to 1
22R bottom end punched .020 over, Blackjack header, 2.5" exhaust, Downey racing cam
twin webbers, etc. Don't get me wrong it idled nasty, sounded mean as hell, and pulled
strong. I got 11MPG. It cost me $2500 easy in mods. and it only pulled at high RPM.

For $900 of parts I've had a 5M-GE that I turbo'd that put down 250rwhp, idled perfect
pulled like MAD, and got 28MPG, and was quiet and smooth, and drove great even in off
boost performance.

Not being an ass either, I've just been there, and the 22R was my favorite motor until I
started working on the 5M.

Now Granted I've gone to the next level, 7M-GTE Forged pistons, big turbo, and more and
more, and I will have more power than I could want. I think you're idea sounds
goods on paper. Trust me that in reality, its not going to be worth it.

Jeff

 

If you so want a 22R why not go 1GGTE for power or get a 4M intake manifold and graft it some how onto the the 5MGE to allow you to run a carbie...

 

good points. i see now the faults in that swap and there are still much better alterantives. than i couldve imagined. he whole 7MGTE thing slipped my mind. i was jsut thinking 5M or 6M
thanks mike

 

3SGTE is your best bet for a 4-cyl. But it's going to be a ton of wiring.

Good luck though!

 

And if you want I could show you how it doesn't pencil out on paper, either. Better to dream. Take the trade.

 

3SGTE is your best bet for a 4-cyl. But it's going to be a ton of wiring.

Good luck though!

Wiring is a cake walk compared to getting a 3sgte actualy fitted in.Unless ther is an S engine RWD b-housing with the starter on the PASSENGER side."I haven't found one yet".
As I have mentioned several times recently.The rwd b-housing that seems to be available,starter is in the way of turbo and oil cooler system.
3sge doesn't have this issue,but then you have to add the T and compatible electronics.
If I'm wrong,and someone know of the b-housing with a pass. side starter,I'll be very happy to buy it,or pay a bit for a good part #


<----I really want a 3sgte in my Corolla.So far looking at boosting a late 4age with EMS to get what I'll live with. "Have access to a boosted 86 mr2,I know the 4age is spunky enough"

 

Hey Shawn, on what side are the 3TGTE's starters?

 

3sgte starter comes from the back side of the trans on the celica and mr2.Not the front like a rwd car.I have countless hours,wandering around Nix,during breaks,while doing inventory work,etc. with a tape in hand,measuring bolt patterns,nothing.
Worse yet,once I get a b-housing that works,then I need a starter that also fits both applications.I know some of the corolla guys have done the swap,and most have bitched,many gave up,not sure how those that did it,did it.I quit trying to figure it out,after getting the factory b-housing in my hands,putting it up to an engine,and saying F this,I'll find an easier way to make the power I want.

 

sarinas dragon if yo wanna know about the "3TGTE" the starter is on the exhaust side just as it is on a 3TC. as for the 3SGTE Junkie explained it.
and JUNKIE what kind of corolla do you own.
i own an 82 TE72 SR5 Hardtop.

 

85 GTS,engine pending Eibachs,??? adj.shocks "need to look again,too many cars",Tomei 2 way LSD,adj. 4 link,x-drilled brembo's,ss lines,etc,etc.
Definate project car,in pieces,never work on it because of Supras.
Considering between myself and friends,I have 8 or 9 supras,the corolla,and a mr2 that alternate spots in the shop,it may actualy run this time next year LMAO.

 

Hey what kind of MR2 do you have.
AW11 or SW20 if you dont know
4AGZE/E or 3SGTE.

 

you two

What I wanted Shawn to answer, thank you, was if the factory chose the exhaust side for the starter why can't he live with it. Holding your "tape" wandering around the yard is only half the story I bet.

I don't disagree that the other side would be better. You know I know we know you know that without ever walking around in the yard. (how many more days of this interminable weather MOTHER FUCKER? m a k e i t s t o p )

My shit and burn suits are at the cleaners.

The difference between the T bell housings and the Y bellhousings rotates the 3SGxx compounding the limitations but do it anyway. I volunteer to help design and fab a manifold.

 

well first off 2 big probs. the intake and exasut are on wrong side of the block. longer throttle cables will be needed. and your exaust ill no longer run in its channel. i thought of it, and replaced the 5m, the only 2 real good 4 cyl power houses toyota makes is the 4ag (botht he 16 and 20 valve models) and the 3s-gte.

 

Hey what kind of MR2 do you have.
AW11 or SW20 if you dont know
4AGZE/E or 3SGTE

LOL!!!!

Ophir's MR2 that is in Shawns possession (much like O's 84 MKII) is a AW11, w/ a 4AGE that someone turbo'd I believe??? Shawn told us this story at the New Years Day meet @ his garage. From what I can vaguely remember, "they got home pretty fast after they picked up the car". I know they were playing around w/ 1 car on the highway, can't remember what it was. They picked up the car in either Alabama or Georgia & they drove back to Washington State.

 

OK,3sgte ain't happening Kenny,not here anyway

MR2---

Picked up in ATL.91 4AGE,with gze rods and pistons "oil squirter block".Custom t3/4 manifold,HK$ 60 trim turbo.Custom in engine compartment IC with a big ass fan to keep the temps down.Custom 3" exhaust,with a wideband.Electromotive Tech II engine management set to 14psi "ran 10 on the way home,crack in mani "
ATL-SEA in 33 hours drive time 51 total including one night in a hotel in SW Iowa.SPANKED a 2nd gen turbo RX7 leaving Salt Lake area at about 1am.Rx didn't know what hit him

Car was originaly built by "Turbo Tom ",and was the last piece of his estate from what we were told.Tom was boosting cars before I even had a drivers license,and REALLY knew his stuff "thanks Tom "

 

Awww come one guys don't be knocking a 22re. Yea a N/A 22RE would be pointless in a supra might as well get a celica version. But a turboed 22RE needs allot more credit when credit is due. I will have spent about $4000 thats rounding up. And guarenteed I put 300HP to the floor. This is with full boost somehwere around under 2500 RPMS and a good power band from probally as low as 2000 to 6000.

A 22re built to 300whp,will not be nearly as reliable,suck for daily driving,probaly cost more,and the weight savings won't offset the torque loss.

It would be almost as reliable as a stock engine given it has good tuning and it totally won't suck for street driving due to practically no lag and no need for reving the engine out. And torque is not even an issue LOL...it will have nearly as much as a turboed 5mge of the same power.

Yea given $4000 grand is a bit much but you tell me that a 300+ HP 5mgte that could easily take upto 20lbs that would cost that much less.

 

Yea given $4000 grand is a bit much but you tell me that a 300+ HP 5mgte that could easily take upto 20lbs that would cost that much less.

A 5M doesn't need 20psi to hit 300hp... it also doesn't sound like a forklift lol.

 

A 5M doesn't need 20psi to hit 300hp... it also doesn't sound like a forklift lol.
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Your right it doens't need 20psi to hit 300HP .... but that WASN"T what I was asking or stating LOL

I was mearly asking you guys to show me a 5mge that costs considerably less then $4000 that could put out over 300HP or that could easily take 20lbs of boost??????

 

Yea given $4000 grand is a bit much but you tell me that a 300+ HP 5mgte that could easily take upto 20lbs that would cost that much less.

Your confused,20 psi on your 22re may get YOU ONLY 300whp,20 psi 'same $$$ as you mentioned" I would be over 400whp and twice the torque your going to get.With a similar power band.

Compare apples to apples.The 2 engines aren't even close,and the added weight of the Supra would definately kill some of the performance.

On another note,if the 22re is so good,why do I hear about more guys swapping 5/6/7m into other vehicles than 22's into other vehicles.


<-----Been in the parts business for over 17 years,I know what sells,and I know where it goes.I'm not saying the 22r/re is a bad engine,just that it's not the prefered engine for performance swaps.Never has been,never will be.